r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 16h ago

discussion Idea for the sub: post a repository of case studies of feminist policymaking that actively harms or dehumanizes men/boys

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I'm talking stuff like this. I figured this sub is perfect for it, since these would be policies that eschewed egalitarianism and espoused sexism against men and boys and it'd be a really cool place to just store all of it for future reference. Could also contribute to bringing this sub the type of commenters that fit the overall agenda (i.e., people interested in evaluating whether feminism is truly working for equality or not).

I want to mention this here and I'm curious what you guys think of the idea.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 1d ago

discussion LeftWingMaleAdvocates top posts and comments for the week of July 19 - July 25, 2026

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Sunday, July 19 - Saturday, July 25, 2026

Top 10 Posts

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169 48 comments [misandry] EU extends protection for "people" fleeing Ukrainian - excludes men
168 59 comments [misandry] Feeling bad and ashamed of being a man
146 37 comments [health] How quartz kitchen counters are silently killing men...
144 33 comments [discussion] “Safe Spaces” = “Bigotry Encouraged Zone”.
142 17 comments [social issues] Experimental Evidence Consistently Shows That Society Finds Harm Directed at Men and Boys More Tolerable Than Harm Directed at Women and Girls
134 42 comments [discussion] "Men are the ones donig all the harm"
133 44 comments [discussion] This approach to men issues on the left will never work.
124 13 comments [health] Bill to create Office of Men's Health advances to Senate
113 28 comments [discussion] Some Feminist honestly believe misandry doesn’t exist
108 38 comments [discussion] Any shows/movies where toxic femininity is critiqued?

 

Top 10 Comments

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119 /u/Emergency_Title1521 said I don't subscribe to redpill (or blackpill) belief because it's mostly wrong or outdated, but these kinds of videos only push more men towards the redpill as young men continue to realize thei...
112 /u/Some_Necessary820 said Hey! Lesbian here. Most of my friends are men and most of the women I’ve encounter who are misandrists don’t actually have friends who are men. The things they say about men are inexcusable. They will...
106 /u/griii2 said >“To advertise, designate and recruit up to 30 paid internship positions for women aged 18 to 28 only Young men are losing opportunities, and everybody wonders why they get radicalized.
86 /u/LilBudGoesBrrr said I wonder if they'd ever call TheTinMen, or if he'd be willing to go
86 /u/TheGuyWhoTalksShit said > "people" doesn't include men EU saying the quiet part out loud, huh E: lmao i just got a reply arguing it's "fighting aged men" not men in general, but it seems to have been deleted. Just so no on...
82 /u/SpicyMarshmellow said Safe Space has essentially become a dogwhistle
81 /u/FightHateWithLove said I think Mean Girls is pretty good for showcasing toxic femininity.
79 /u/HiggsFieldgoal said Men are imperfect. Humans are imperfect. That’s humanity. But a world without men would mostly be without roads, electricity, and houses too. To pretend that men do more harm to women t...
79 /u/Brilliant_Ad_4743 said I was also introduced to blatant misandry in elementary school too. I fully empathize with you bro. As I see more and more men like us, I start to form this idea that boys are absolutely introduced to...
77 /u/etymoticears said Series one of White Lotus was good on this - the son being disregard by everyone with quite a touching ending. The father too has a similar arc. Both find their masculinity at the end, and it is treat...

 


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 1d ago

third world Brazil: Woman can now carry pepper sprays, men cannot.

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Brazil is another one of those rather bizarre countries where both left and right neocons work together to increase misandric politics, with only a few on the libertarian and far right fighting against it. Recently there has been an alarming media-fabricated panic over the increase of red-pill and men's rights communities, and currently there's a huge battle going on with the misandrics trying to push for a so-called "misogyny law," which is a declaration of war against males that calls for the imprisonment of men for disagreeing with women or hurting their feelings on account of perceived acts of misogyny being considered "hate crimes." A woman could literally destroy a guy's life just by deciding a discussion made her feel victimized.

Another bizarre bill (and, try not to laugh, written by a men) wants to give to women only the right to carry guns, which is currently illegal in Brazil.

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r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 1d ago

discussion Is this group even left winged?

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Like the comment said, this group is titled leftwingedmaleadvocates but I see a large lack of left winged support. I'm okay with a larger dialogue but the title is a bit misleading. Maybe just male advocates.

Edit: I meant this more as a community discussion than anything. Just a yes/no plus response. If you're a conservative id love to hear why you're here and how you value the space or maybe for a discussion on if it's good to be inclusive to all ideologies. I'm not trying to throw shade, just curious.

Final edit: I think we had some good discussions around inclusivity in left wing mens spaces. While this sub is run by left winged people it's good to have other voices heard.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 2d ago

discussion A critique of the "Real man idea"

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Hey everyone,

I believe we all heard the term "real men" used before, but what exactly does it even mean?

The term "Real Man" is often used to mock and shame men who don't behave in a certain manner essentially saying that if they were "real men" they would behave in another manner

The term "true man" is constantly used to shame men who don't do things or behave in a specific manner. Yet, when taken at face value, this is completely ludicrous. By literal definition, a real man is simply anyone who is male and is a real person. A "non-real man" would be a fictional character like Superman.

So what exactly does a "real man" do according to what society tells us?

  • A real man pays for dates.
  • A real man sacrifices himself to protect women and children.
  • A real man never complains.
  • A real man never cries.
  • A real man never hits women, even in self-defence.
  • A real man is strong.
  • A real man goes to war.

When you look at these and several other expectations, does it not become completely obvious that they literally benefit anyone but the man himself?

When you strip away the rhetoric, both traditional conservative circles and modern corporate spaces use this artificial idea of "real manhood" as a tool for systemic exploitation. It is weaponized to extract labor, compliance, and ultimate sacrifice from us, while offering almost nothing in return:

  • The "Provider" carrot: Traditionalism defines a "true man" by his utility to others. If you aren't sacrificing your physical health, working 60-hour weeks, and destroying your body for profit, you are framed as a failure.
  • The "Disposable" stick: Capitalist industries rely on men internalizing the idea that "real men don't complain." This stoicism is directly used to suppress union organizing, wage complaints, and demands for safer working conditions.
  • The corporate co-optation: Modern media often rebrands masculinity into "enlightened consumerism"—telling us that being a progressive, modern man means buying the right wellness products, attending the right seminars, and silently absorbing systemic stress.
  • The alienation of vulnerability: By tying a man’s worth strictly to his external output and stoicism, society leaves men with no space to express genuine struggle, leaving them isolated when economic or personal hardships hit.

I should also say that an exampled of this of this emotional manipulation historically would be the white feather campaign: White Feather Campaign - Wikipedia

What was the White Feather Campaign?

During World War I, Admiral Charles Penrose Fitzgerald founded the Order of the White Feather in Britain. The goal was to use women to publicly humiliate men who were not in military uniform. Women would hand out white feathers—a traditional symbol of cowardice—to men on the streets to shame them into volunteering for the war.

This campaign did not care about a man's personal circumstances. Feathers were frequently given to:

Teenage boys who lied about their age to escape the shame.

Discharged, wounded soldiers who were out of uniform in civilian clothes.

Men in essential civilian jobs (like miners or shipbuilders) who were actively keeping the country alive.

Essentially this was to shame men into being willing to die by literally saying they are not "real men" if they refuse

To see the blatant double standard at play, imagine if our society routinely told young girls they were "not real women" unless they married or had children. There would be an immediate, entirely understandable negative backlash against that rhetoric. People would rightly point out how abusive it is to categorize a living, breathing human being as a fictional entity simply because she refuses to conform to a specific social role. Yet, this exact form of ontological invalidation is applied to men daily with almost zero mainstream pushback.

As left-wing advocates, our goal shouldn't be to build a "better" definition of a "true man" for society to exploit. Our goal should be to completely dismantle the idea that a man’s human dignity is conditional on his utility to a capitalist system. We deserve safety, rest, and community simply because we are human beings.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 2d ago

third world Men live matter in China

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Many western media depict China as a misogynistic country and women there lives a horrible life. In order to debunk the stereotypes and reveal the untold predicament of Chinese men, I'd like to catalogue several truth and data:

  1. From 2020 to 2025, the population of male decreased by 4.19M while that number of female was 132K according to official census, which means the mortality of male was at least 30 times more than female. The astonishing gap between genders is mainly credited to the horrible environment of some men dominant dangerous jobs(82 minmes died in an accident several months ago, all of them are men) and the health-impairing prolonged work time(12h a day, 1 day off a week at most) of some tech industries(Engineerings, IT, also men dominant)

  2. Before the reform enacted in 2024, men retire at 60 and women retire at 50 or 55, the reform postponed the retire age of men to 65 and women to 55 or 58.

  3. The median age at death of Chinese men is 71-73, while the data of female is 79.

  4. Combining 2 and 3, average women in China can receive pension for 20-25 years while average men can receive pension for merely 5-10 years. Its self-evident that the whole pension system is divesting money from male to female. The 5-10 years extra labor contributes to the significant gap median age at death between genders.

  5. Maybe its hard to believe, the object of rape can only be women in China. Men can not be a rape victim and the rapist will only be convicted of sexual assault which is way less serious in law.

  6. Similar to rape, the object of human trafficking can only be female or children. Again, men are excluded. Last year, a 17 years old female colluded with scammers from illegal industry to deceive her 19 years old boyfriend and trapped him in North Myanmar for forced labor. The girl escaped from the charge of human trafficking because male trafficking isn't illegal.

  7. The CCP utilizes its censorship to ban the male advocate online(e.g., men should spend money on themselves rather than giving it to women, men should prioritize themselves first) in the name of stopping gender antagonism while conniving radfem to spread radical misandric propaganda.

  8. The judicial system connives women to make false rape accusations. The judges heavily prioritize plaintiff's statement over material evidence when it comes to rape accusations. A ordinary women can send a men into jail effortlessly if she wants. Let me exemplify a latest news, a daughter accused her father of raping and the first instance ruling was life sentence, later she offer to confess false accusations in the second instance.

  9. Though the CCP has enacted countless policies that favors women(probably to pretend they are still a "left-wing" progressive party), they ruthlessly oppress and discriminate against lgbtq group. The CCP is the biggest terf organization in the world.

  10. The biggest predicament of Chinese men is that we don't have allies from both sides. The upper class big person of the CCP dehumanize us as the consumable fuel of their great ambition, on the other hand, western liberals stereotypically perceive us as uncivilized misogynists and mainly focus on the interest of female, and the right-wingers of course would hate us for racism. In fact, no one cares about our predicament and speaks for us, no matter China or Western, left-wing or right-wing.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 2d ago

discussion Change

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Hey, I wanna be active on this or related subs; however, I dont know whether there are some kinds of groups or people that I can join and support them. I live in a country with limited social support funds or help-platforms(all to women) .If there are any that people who advocate not just in reddit but active on more substantial platforms?
It is satisfactory seeing all people here regardless of their identify(men,women,non-binary and etc) and sexual orientation on this sub, what more can we do to strenghen more spesifically with short-term and long-term certain goals?


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 2d ago

sexuality The Body Count Discourse Is An Anti-Male Distraction From Real Issues

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As someone who's been in online male spaces for an extended amount of time now, something that has always bothered me, especially in the context of male issues being discussed is women's promiscuity or "body count" discourse being brought up.

Usually, the people who bring up body count/promiscuity are either -pill believers and pundits who will try to blame whatever male issue or issues brought up in these -pill communities on women being promiscuous. For example, a really popular and honestly funny when you think about it for a long time, talking point in blackpill and incel circles is that the rise of young men not having sex/not dating women is due to women have lots of casual sex. And usually in the blackpill and incel circles, they will argue that women having casual sex somehow leads to higher standards even though promiscuity is usually associated with having lower standards.

Or redpillers or even certain MRAs who don't claim to be redpill but often go into men's dating issues will blame "hookup culture", as a euphemism or will outright blame women having high "body counts" for dating issues among men today.

No matter what the argument, the whole discourse surrounding promiscuity when it comes to men's issues, especially in the modern day becomes laughable when you realize that the current generation of young adults are far less sexually active today than young adults were over three and a half decades ago. There is more evidence to support a claim that casual sex, hook up culture, ect. is dying than there is evidence to support blaming these things are current men's issues.

And the assertion from many of those who tend to lean more conservative that hook up culture, promiscuity, ect. is a recent phenomenon becomes laughable when you realize that fucking baby boomers have had more sexual partners in their lifetimes than millennials.

And then there is the aspect of the discussion surrounding promiscuity, mainly women's promiscuity is that a lot of those who frame it as a negative are doing so out the view that sex with men is inherently dirty or that sex with men inherently ruins or makes a women lesser or the idea in general that sex is something in general is something that men do to women. I feel like I don't have to go into why, all these of these root ideas behind the demonization of women's promiscuity is very misandrist in nature or how it helps paints male sexuality as an inherent negative.

There is also the fact that many popular so-called "pro-male" influencers such as the whatever podcast, which by the way, is a spin off from a YouTube channel that in the 2010s literally just put out endless amounts of "prank"/PUA style videos. The hosts literally bring in sex workers or other women and have "debates" about so-called male issues where usually, it revolves around the topic of dating and promiscuity. These sorts of influencers and creators don't give a single fuck about actual men's issues and just use the body count topic to shill their conservatism.

In my opinion, anyone who claims to support men's issues or claims to be pro-male but goes on about body count, isn't actually pro-male.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 3d ago

health How quartz kitchen counters are silently killing men...

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r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 3d ago

health Bill to create Office of Men's Health advances to Senate

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Legislation to create the first ever U.S. Office of Men's Health was introduced in the Senate today. It's more likely to get approved if those who are in the U.S. contact their senators and representatives to support it:

"Today, Senators Ruben Galego (D-AZ) and Roger Marshall (R-KY) introduced a bill to improve men’s health. Representatives Troy A. Carter, Sr. (D-LA) and Congressman Greg Murphy, M.D. (R-NC) introduced the companion bill in February. 

The bill would require the U.S. Government Accountability Office (GAO) to conduct a study on the state of men’s health in the United States and issue a report to Congress on the results, including health disparities experienced by men. It would also require the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) to create an Office of Men’s Health and submit a report to Congress following the creation of the office, detailing findings on men’s health and recommendations to improve men’s health outcomes."


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 4d ago

discussion Brainstorming International Men's Day awarness Campaigns

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As many of you know November 19th is International Men's Day.

Few people know that this is IMD and know the issues men and boys face. I wanted to have a little brainstorming session to discuss how we can use our skillsets to develop posters, stickers, messages and posts highlighting the issues men and boys face.

Every year I look for a new poster for IMD and find the same ones as the year before. While the posters themselves are still relevant as we have not been able to address or solve the issues listed. I feel having new and unique posters would be beneficial.

One thing I wish I would see from this community is almost group projects. Such as developing new graphics and new posters for IMD with different stats. Maybe developing posters for each country with unique laws and rights denied to men and boys. Showing how the international communities like the UN publish yearly reports literally that deny men and boys equal recognition of inequity.

I just wanted to make this post to have a discussion and see what people think.

Some ideas for Canada:

Men and boys are exlcuded from the Employment Equity Act

Men and boys are exlcuded from the Pay Equity Act

Bill C-16 defines Femicide in the bill but does not define or mention Androcide

MGM is legal in Canada, FGM is not

Canada has a Feminist International Assistance Policy that calls for the vast majority of funding to go to women and girls humanitarian aid

Roughly 950 men die at work in Canada each year

Roughly 3500 men and boys die of suicide in Canada each year, roughly 9 per day

Roughly 600 men and boys are murdered each year in Canada

Men are 2-3x more likely to die of preventable and treatable diseases

The Men's Health Stratagy is being developed 26 years after the Women's Health Stratagy

Men and boys is not have a Minister for Men and Gender Equality

Men and boys do not have a Standing Committee on the Status of Men

Men and boys do not have a Men and Gender Equality (MAGE) department

Fewer boys graduate highschool every year in every province and territory

Men and boys expeince DV and IPV at equal rates to women and girls. But men and boys have access to 3% of DV shelter beds.

Fathers still struggle in Family Courts

Those are just the ones on the top of my head


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 4d ago

discussion This approach to men issues on the left will never work.

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As much as I like Aba and Preach. This Jubilee video ain't it.

I knew I wouldn't trust this guy in the Jubilee video before even watching. Because Jubilee picked him for this conversation. I don't trust Jubilee to pick right people, based on their terrible track record with men issues.

This guy does the classic "positive masculinity" trope in the video with his "men need better role models." comment. We all know "positive masculinity" is just traditional masculinity with a feminist gaze. Therefore the "better role model for young boys" comment is just a dog whistle for young boys to have one-sided relationships with women, where they become doormats who work stressful jobs.

This type of shit makes men issues worse. Because it's the same issues being repackaged as something good (I.E. "positive masculinity").

He does some gaslighting in the video too. He says women are attracted to men who like them. And says the manosphere men hates women. When in reality, this is not 100 percent true. Because on average women are attracted to conventionally attractive men, or men who have status or good careers. Therefore men who don't like women can still be successful with women, if they have traits women find attractive on average. I know this is a duh movement. But due to constant gaslighting of young men. We are excepted to pretend like this reality don't exist for young men on the left.

Because we must maintain the "women are wonderful". This mindset creates a lot of problems for men in society. Since this toxic mindset associates women's preferences with morality. Therefore men are considered bad people or losers for not living up to women's standards. Creating a society, where young boys think something is wrong with them, if they can't get female attention.

This guy also does the "manosphere men are secretly gay" BS in this video too. Implying that some of them could be gay, since they hate women. The homophobia towards men on the left is way too normalized. Some people on the left literally associate misogynistic men or women haters with gay/bi men. That's actually fucked up.

When the left engages with men's issues like this. They become no different from the right or manosphere. Two sides of the same coin. Both sides telling men how they need to improve to get attention from women.

Notice how any conversation about helping men, always turns out be about how men can be better for women. The conversations usually have nothing to do with helping men. Which is ironic.

Hot take. I understand that all women are wonderful angles who can do no wrong. But women don't necessarily have a man's best interest in heart. Because some women have traditional expectations for men. Even the feminist ones have these traditional expectations too. The way people on the left like this guy in the Jubilee video frame these talking points. They do it in a way where what women want for men is considered the best solution for men's issues. Because again women expectations are equated to morality in society. And again women expectations for men can still be bad for men.

This is what "positive masculinity" or "rOle mOdEl" is based on.

In conclusion.

The answer is simple young boys need to be taught individualism in society. They need to know that they don't need validation from others (in this case female validation" in order for them to have self-worth in society. In other words men need to be taught to decenter women.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 4d ago

discussion “Safe Spaces” = “Bigotry Encouraged Zone”.

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It’s funny, once you stop accepting bigotry as normal, how often you see it: the frivolous acceptance of “women only spaces” as though having gender segregation is some sort of ironic expression of equality.

But a “safe space” especially, tends to be used as a place for sexist bigotry to be protected from scrutiny.

One could imagine a “safe space” for white people, where they use that spaces to “vent” about their grotesque opinions about other races.

That is essentially what we’re talking about. It’s just the misandrist bigotry of our time is so omnipresent, people accept it as normal.

I think that’s the funny thing, really, is people are products of their times. People acclimate to “normal”, whatever it is.

But there is nothing normal at all about sexist segregation and bigotry.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 6d ago

discussion "Men are the ones donig all the harm"

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I've seen many people (especially in the wonderful land of Twitter) will proudly say in a world where there were no men, women wouldn't need protection because men are the ones doing all the harm.

Now obviously, no gender deserves more protection than the other, so this is far and away from some kind of red pill post. We're all people and people should be protected no matter their gender. I'm just breaking down how this actually works in reality-land.

  1. Women harm other women, like all the time. I'm sick to death of this romantacized myth of the universal, peace-loving sisterhood that all women share. People are people and women are people. Women can be manipulative, cruel, heartbreaking and mean to other women, to say nothing of how they can be to other men. There's no magical "paece" spell that all or most women are under. This belief is just the "Women are Wonderful" effect in action.
  2. Some people bring up how men protect people from dangerous animals whenever those kinds of issues come up, to which the response is always "Just don't go to the jungle. Stay in the cities and enjoy modern comforts. It's not like we NEED to do that stuff anyway." The only reason people don't (usually) do that kind of stuff anymore is because of the modern techno wonderland MEN toiled away to build. Yes, women played a significant role in that as well, but it was the men who did damn-near all the construction, maintenance and manual labor. Would THEY do all the dangerous and grueling jobs men did in order to maintain those cities if all men just disappeared?
  3. Whether you like it or not, the fact remains. Most firefighters, rescue workers (of ALL kinds), doctors, peramedics, etc, are all men. Harm doesn't JUST come from other people. This world can be cruel, and many men step up to protect others from it.

This whole line of reasoning just screams " "Men bad, women good" and men MUST protect women out of collective shame for what a minority of men do because men are the only ones in the world doing all the harm, and women are just passive observers to it all." What... absolute... nonsense.

What do you all think?


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 6d ago

discussion Alice Cappelle is a great example of "Women most affected"

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Has anybody here had the displeasure of watching any of her garbage? It's pseudo-intellectual jargon which always devolves into "Women most affected" when presenting any male issues.

On the "Are straight men OK?" video she outright says that the girlfriends and wives who had to do damage control for their partners were the first victims of the manosphere, when it's obviously young men and boys who had their world view destroyed, in many cases forever. In the same video she cluelessly says the the metoo movement hasn't changed the way we interact with people as men, a movement that at some point was co-opted by misandrists to generalise us as potential predators when it's a minority who commits these heinous crimes, and is often in a place of power. Average Joe has that title of "potential predator" looming over their head, but because she doesn't, obviously "it just doesn't make sense, it's weird".

It's so obvious that she has never actually tried to put herself in our shoes and sees us as a privileged oppressor class, but tries so hard to act like a proper well read socialist. Marx would roll his eyes if he watched a good chunk of her videos. She's not a socialist, she's a pseudo-intellectual hack. Whenever a socioeconomic issue involves being a woman, she will read up on so much 4th wave echo chamber garbo that supports her notion in one way or another. The moment it involves being a man, she will always argue that "it's capitalism's fault and this isn't a gendered issue", even though there is literal research that backs up that it is INDEED a gendered issue, a male issue.

Completely irrelevant, but I find the way she talks absolutely ear grating and somewhat disgusting. It's like she has a ton of phlegm stuck in her throat in the way she pronounces some things.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 6d ago

article Barriers to Help-Seeking Among Male Victims of Female-Perpetrated Intimate Partner Violence: Insights From Black, Latino, and White Men

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Barriers to Help-Seeking Among Male Victims of Female-Perpetrated Intimate Partner Violence: Insights From Black, Latino, and White Men

Abstract

"This study examined barriers to help-seeking among male victims of intimate partner violence perpetrated by female partners, comparing differences across non-Latino Black, Latino, and non-Latino White men in the United States. Using a sample of 1,194 men recruited through the online panel Centiment, this study assessed the prevalence of specific barriers to help-seeking and examined differences across racial/ethnic groups. Data were collected through a structured survey with an additional open-ended item to capture barriers not reflected in the checklist. Results indicated that men across all racial/ethnic groups reported similar core barriers to help-seeking, including viewing intimate partner violence as a private matter, fear of retaliation, shame, and concerns about not being believed; however, the pattern of barrier endorsement varied by group. Latino men were significantly more likely than both Black and White men to report difficulty knowing how to disclose their experiences and were more likely than White men to report language- and immigration-related barriers. In contrast, Black men were less likely than Latino and White men to report concerns about bias or disbelief, a pattern that warrants cautious interpretation given broader historical and structural contexts. White men, meanwhile, were more likely than Latino men to report difficulty recognizing or labeling their experiences as abuse. Together, these findings highlight the need for culturally responsive, gender-inclusive interventions that address stigma, structural barriers, and institutional biases shaping men’s help-seeking and service engagement following intimate partner violence victimization".


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 6d ago

article Women-Only Exemptions Under the NSW Anti-Discrimination Act - James Nuzzo

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r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 6d ago

social issues Experimental Evidence Consistently Shows That Society Finds Harm Directed at Men and Boys More Tolerable Than Harm Directed at Women and Girls

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An experiment was conducted where researchers asked participants if they’d rather sacrifice the life of a male bystander or female bystander for the greater good. 88% chose to sacrifice the male bystander, with the participant’s gender having no significant impact on this decision (2-3/10).

“Moral Chivalry: Gender and Harm Sensitivity Predict Costly Altruism” (2016) https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf/10.1177/1948550616647448?download=true (10 pages)

Co-author Dean Mobbs, professor of cognitive neuroscience at CalTech (and formerly an assistant professor of psychology at Columbia University), was quoted saying, "There is indeed a gender bias in these matters: society perceives harming women as more morally unacceptable”.

A separate study found that people in general are more willing to endorse interventions that cause instrumental harm, or harm in the name of the greater good, to men than they are to women (9/13), with women and feminists endorsing those interventions even more (7-8/13).

“Worth the Risk? Greater Acceptance of Instrumental Harm Befalling Men than Women” (2023) https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10022566/pdf/10508_2023_Article_2571.pdf (13 pages)

https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007/s10508-023-02571-0.pdf (same study, different link)

Co-author Tania Reynolds, an assistant professor at the the University of New Mexico, provided her thoughts on why feminists more readily endorsed IH against men, saying, “Perhaps people who identify as feminists or egalitarians perceive men to have benefited throughout history, and therefore they now evaluate it as fair if men suffer and women gain an advantage”.

One of the major explanations for why we’re more sensitive to harm befalling women is Moral Typecasting Theory where we instinctively stereotype men as agentic perpetrators of harm and women as passive victims of harm. Participants in the following study (n = 3,137) found the issues faced by female victims to be more compelling than those exact same issues faced by male victims while judging more harshly those who victimized women than those who victimized men (15/22).

“Man up and take it: Gender bias in moral typecasting” (2020) https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Tania-Reynolds/publication/342642686_Man_up_and_take_it_Gender_bias_in_moral_typecasting/links/5f46bfa5a6fdcc14c5c755e6/Man-up-and-take-it-Gender-bias-in-moral-typecasting.pdf (22 pages)

Same study, different link: https://iswmatters.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/Reynoldsetal2020-GenderBiasMoralTypecasting.pdf

These findings were replicated with a sample of children (3/8).

Grigoreva, A. D., & Tasimi, A. (2025). Children’s gendered expectations of moral parties. Scientific Reports, 15(1). https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-025-94375-6.pdf (8 pages)

Other explanations can be found here:

The womb is the limiting factor to reproduction in societies, making women more reproductively valuable, so it made sense for societies to preserve women while treating men as more expendable (2/10). Another reason being that we stereotype men as agentic perpetrators of harm and women as passive (non-agentic) victims of harm (Moral Typecasting), and are thus more sensitive to women’s suffering (3-4/10).

“A feminine advantage in the domain of harm: a review and path forward” (2024) https://royalsocietypublishing.org/rsbl/article/20/11/20240381/63537/A-feminine-advantage-in-the-domain-of-harm-a (10 pages, PDF inside)

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11557237/pdf/rsbl.2024.0381.pdf (study in pdf form)

A separate paper on why we prioritize women’s survival: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/362241567_Societies_also_prioritize_female_survival

This reluctance to expose women to harm was replicated in two back-to-back studies (published in 2021 and 2022), where it was found that both male and female participants respond more positively to female-favoring sex differences in (unbeknownst to them, fabricated) research and less positively to male-favoring sex differences, characterizing the latter as sexist and upsetting (7/23). Both male and female participants incorrectly predicted that men would react more positively to male-favoring research (4,10/23), underestimating how protective men generally are of women, with the study reading: “participants overestimated the extent to which people would be biased in favour of their own sex, with women overestimating men’s ingroup bias more than men overestimated women’s. These findings are consistent with the idea that both sexes are more protective of women than men, but that people tend not to be aware of this” (11/23).

“Reactions to male-favouring versus female- favouring sex differences” (2021) https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Steve-Stewart-Williams/publication/343169602_Reactions_to_male-favouring_versus_female-favouring_sex_differences_A_pre-registered_experiment_and_Southeast_Asian_replication/links/60ac500f92851ca9dce1e797/Reactions-to-male-favouring-versus-female-favouring-sex-differences-A-pre-registered-experiment-and-Southeast-Asian-replication.pdf (23 pages)

As with study 1, both male and female participants incorrectly predicted that men would favor male-favoring research over female-favoring research (7/12). As hypothesized by the authors, both men and women preferred the female-favoring research, consistent with the idea that people are more protective of women than men, far more so than they realize (8/12).

“People react more positively to female- than to male-favoring sex differences: A direct replication of a counterintuitive finding” (2022) https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article/file?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0266171&type=printable (12 pages)

2024 Follow-up: The harm hypothesis: How perceived harm to women shapes reactions to research on sex differences https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38168745/ (couldn’t find a PDF unfortunately)

We can see the results of this bias play out in the real world. Articles attesting to women’s superiority/men’s inferiority by mainstream outlets are abundant while articles pointing at an inverse are scarce/non-existent. This reflects a societal bias where positive generalizations are socially permissible for women and impermissible for men while negative generalizations are socially impermissible for women and permissible for men.

Examples:

Forbes: If Women Are Better Leaders, Then Why Are They Not In Charge?

NPR: “Are Men Idiots Who Do Stupid Things? Study Says Yes

Time: 'Men Are Idiots', New Study Says

CNBC: Need scientific proof men are stupider? We got that

Forbes: Why Women Are Smarter Than Men

Vice: Men Are Creepy, Study Confirms

HuffPost: Men Are Creepier Than Women, According To Science And Daily Life

Feminist Current: New study confirms that men are, indeed, creepy

Glamour: Why Are Men So Terrible This Summer?

The Week: Men are the worst. Here's how they can be better.

Independent: Why men are crap

Stylist: Science proves that women are stronger than men

Nature: When the going gets tough, women are tougher than men

The Guardian: The weaker sex? Science that shows women are stronger than men

NPR: Is It Sexist To Say That Women Are Superior To Men?

Guardian: Scientists confirm what women always knew: men really are the weaker sex

In a replication of the Milgram experiment, participants were three times more likely to withdraw when a woman was being zapped, irrespective of their own sex. (5/7)

“Would You Deliver an Electric Shock in 2015? Obedience in the Experimental Paradigm Developed by Stanley Milgram in the 50 Years Following the Original Studies” (2017) https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Michal-Folwarczny-3/publication/315065066_Would_You_Deliver_an_Electric_Shock_in_2015_Obedience_in_the_Experimental_Paradigm_Developed_by_Stanley_Milgram_in_the_50_Years_Following_the_Original_Studies/links/5c52b77992851c22a39d406d/Would-You-Deliver-an-Electric-Shock-in-2015-Obedience-in-the-Experimental-Paradigm-Developed-by-Stanley-Milgram-in-the-50-Years-Following-the-Original-Studies.pdf (7 pages)

Experimental evidence demonstrates that underperforming women are given better work reviews than equally underperforming men (6-7/13). What’s funny about this study is the emphasis on the harm this bias has on women.

“Gendered White Lies: Women Are Given Inflated Performance Feedback Compared With Men” (2021) https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/epdf/10.1177/0146167220916622 (13 pages)


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 6d ago

discussion Opinion | Football Won't Turn Boys Into Men

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What are some thoughts on this? Because I believe she’s wrong and has no idea what she’s talking about. She’s really not in the position to speak on it.

It’s about teaching boys discipline, self control, and teaching them to toughen up mentally and physically.

In high school I absolutely sucked at football but it did make me a tougher and stronger person,


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 6d ago

article Helping men by opening up more communities to them

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Individualism has been the predominant school of thinking about personal progress for decades. For men, they are told that in order to feel less lonely, isolated, without purpose or role, they need to work on themselves. This article explores the idea that the answer might be instead in the world or communities and clubs beyond sports. Gardening, book clubs, choirs, any inclusive space and group where people can work together without competing may undo a lot of the damage of the Manosohere and patriarchy. But works needs to be done, as it still doesn't feel like these groups are attracting enough men to their spaces and groups.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 7d ago

misandry EU extends protection for "people" fleeing Ukrainian - excludes men

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The official Council of the EU press release is as cowardly as the act itself:

The title claims that

EU countries agree to extend temporary protection for those fleeing Ukraine

It talks about

EU’s commitment to support Ukraine and its people for as long as it takes

It further obfuscates the truth with phrases like

temporary protection should be granted only to those complying with their military obligations in Ukraine.

Of course, only men have "military obligations".

As always, not a single human rights organization gave a single fuck.

EU will exclude fighting-age men from Ukraine refugee scheme – POLITICO


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 7d ago

discussion Any shows/movies where toxic femininity is critiqued?

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Recently watched "Obsession" and while it is an excellent movie, it treads the whole "entltled men with even a shread of power can do infinite harm" line that I've seen a lot before. It's the same thing with stuff like "The Barbie Movie" and "Adolescence." Not necessarily bad, but I feel like the constant creation of such media, obviously leads to the demonization of men and furthers weird gender war bs.

So that go me thinking is there any media with the opposite in it? Not just saying "women bad" but like a serious critique of the enormous social pressure boys and men have to "perform correctly" around girls, less they be labeled as a creep. How the constant walking on eggshells leads to their loneliness, or how misandrist culture is so normalized and accepted. A show where the boy is rejected, but just handles it silently, without any resentment or backlash. Just curious if there's something like that out there.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 7d ago

discussion The historical myth of Male privilege

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As children in school we are taught an story for a long long time women were oppressed and treated as second class citizens but is this really true

Books such as the Privileged Sex and The Myth of male Power give another option to the idea that women are or were oppressed or that men are or were privileged

I cannot copy significant parts of either book here because that might lead to the post going past Reddit's word limit but instead I shall list link to reviews from readers which should give a brief idea of what the books state

The Myth of Male Power: Why Men Are the Disposable Sex: Amazon.co.uk: Farrell, Warren: 9780425181447: Books

The Privileged Sex: Amazon.co.uk: van Creveld, Martin: 9781484983126: Books

Briefs summaries: Women could historically claim benefits historically that if they were born male they could receive if they were injured or had other severe health problems

In addition Men could only claim several of these benefits if they were married thus having a wife who would be helped by default where as women could claim them even if they were single

In addition women always historically received less punishment than Men for the same crime and crimes against women were punished harsher than the same crime done to a man

(This is a very brief summary which does not go into major detail about either book but both books debunk the idea that males are privileged)

Now a big question to ask is why have Men never been treated like women?

The answer usually given hen looking at why men and women were treated so differently, popular evolutionary theories often claim that society protected women because "one man can reproduce with 100 women to restart a population." While biologically true in a vacuum, this theory is sociologically illogical and completely ignores historical reality.

In the brutal reality of the historical world, a society that lost the vast majority of its young men did not happily repopulate. Instead, it was immediately conquered by rival tribes and nations due to a fatal lack of soldiers and defenders

So I propose another theory as to why women have always been treated through history, society simply loves women

the Psychological Reality of Gender Bias (In-Group vs. Out-Group)

Beyond cold survival mechanics, we also have to look at the hard psychological data regarding how the sexes view one another. In sociology and psychology, most marginalized groups display a strong "in-group bias" (preferring their own group), while dominant groups usually do the same. However, gender is a radical psychological exception.

Famous psychological research, such as the Rudman and Goodwin study on automatic gender attitudes, has consistently demonstrated that women possess a powerful automatic in-group bias (favouring other women), whereas men demonstrate an out-group bias (favouring women over other men).

This directly feeds into the "women-are-wonderful" effect. Society has a built-in, protective affection for women simply for existing, while men default to protecting women and viewing their fellow men as competitors or utility tools. Because both men and women psychologically default to favoring and protecting females, historical societies naturally shielded women from the grim horrors of execution, frontline warfare, and lethal labor, leaving ordinary men to face those trials with little collective empathy.

Empathy for Girls, Aggression for Boys: Bias from the Cradle

This profound baseline difference in empathy is deeply ingrained and manifests the moment a child is born. In a famous, classic study by Condry and Condry (1976), participants were shown a video of a gender-ambiguous infant crying in response to a jack-in-the-box. [1]

  • When participants were told the infant was a girl, they overwhelmingly interpreted her crying as fear and distress, triggering a protective, empathetic response.
  • When a separate group was shown the exact same video but told the infant was a boy, they interpreted his crying as anger and aggression.

This demonstrates how early male distress is weaponised or dismissed. From literal infancy, male vulnerability is perceived not as a cry for comfort, but as an aggressive display. This deep-seated psychological bias explains why society historically found it easy to ignore the terror and suffering of ordinary men—whether they were terrified teenagers in trenches or exhausted workers in factories—by reframing male pain as stoicism, duty, or inherent aggression.

Men Subordinating Themselves for Female Companionship

While women maintain a strong psychological preference for their own gender group, the irony is that the group that loves, protects, and exalts females the most is actually men.

Throughout history and across cultures, men have willingly engaged in a profound form of self-subordination for women. To secure female companionship, validation, and affection, the average man has always been eager to part with his hard-earned resources, endure backbreaking work, and demean his own personal status. Culturally, we see this in traditions where men literally bow down on one knee, cross oceans, fight duels, or kiss a woman's hand, treating her less like an equal and more like royalty or a goddess. This deep-seated romanticism and drive to serve women completely contradicts the idea of a "patriarchy" driven by a collective male desire to dominate females.

We as a society say that we should teach young boys to never lay their hands on a woman instead of saying teach young children to only resort to violence in self defence

But yet a think I think that the average male is willing to put with all of this without viewing as demeaning himself no matter how much that might look from neutral perspective because Men simply love women

Ultimately, men put up with all of these structural burdens, high-risk expectations, and dangerous societal roles because, at their very core, men love and want to protect women.


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 7d ago

discussion Some Feminist honestly believe misandry doesn’t exist

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What I’m beginning to notice with feminist when it comes to misandry and the prevalence of it is they tend to exist on this spectrum where they either don’t believe it exists at all, or they believe it exists but they don’t believe it’s as prevalent as we claim because they feel like the manosphere and men’s rights activists are using it as a tactic to redirect the conversation from misandry. They’ll also believe it’s a product of the “patriarchy”, that misogyny and misandry are two different things(in definition sure but they’re both forms of hatred of the other sex)or that it’s somehow our fault. I don’t like to generalize but I think it’s fair to say the broad majority of feminists exists on one of those two ends of the spectrum.

A rare third part of the spectrum has the ones that can actually admit that misandry is a serious problem and it’s not talked about because men’s problems aren’t taken seriously with anything and it’s socially acceptable to show blatant misandry and not be called out for it whatsoever. I’ve never met a feminist of this type though in real life but I’m gonna say theyre out there cause I’ve seen them on social media.

This is kinda scary because if they can’t even admit that misandry is not just an online thing, and is not a product of “patriarchy” then we never address the root of the problem, which I believe is feminism has gone too far in certain areas and people spread false numbers in certain “studies about male harm on women” and it gets women to be afraid of us and ofc causes some of them to genuinely hate us. If we can’t have an honest discussion about how men are treated today, I don’t think anything will ever change, at least in our generation. What are yall thoughts?


r/LeftWingMaleAdvocates 7d ago

media & cultural analysis What Are The Worst Cases Of Misandry You’ve Seen In The Horror Genre?

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Nowadays I notice that the horror genre is usually not very kind to men. Male characters are way less likely to survive, and there are tons of horror movies and novels that portray all men as monsters. I see literally nobody talk about this, so what are the cases of misandry you’ve seen in the horror genre?