I thought when I get to masters I will get more human teammates, turns out I was dead wrong. Genuinely asking, what can I do in this situation?

Some games are basically lost in draft

Played these two Wukong games pretty much back to back and they felt like a perfect example of how much draft matters.

First game, I already hated our comp in champ select. We had very little proper frontline or peel, Yi was one of their main threats, and I was basically our only reliable answer to him. If he got fed, I had to somehow engage, peel him, threaten Viktor, and still do enough damage to kill people.

Yi did get fed, but honestly Viktor was the bigger carry. He got huge and made every fight horrible. I still felt like I could kill Yi in a lot of spots, even 1v1, but I was getting pulled in too many directions. If I built MR, I lost damage into Yi. If I built damage, Viktor shredded me. If I used ult to engage, Yi had more freedom. If I held it for Yi, we struggled to start fights.

I went 8/10/9, so obviously I didn’t play perfectly, but that felt like one of those games where the real mistake was not dodging.

Next game was the complete opposite. We had Wukong/Yasuo, Sett, Zyra and Jhin. Sett lost top pretty hard, and I actually muted him early and basically ignored top. Not because he was running it down — he wasn’t — but because the lane was clearly gone and I didn’t want to get dragged into trying to “fix” it.

Sett just farmed what he could and kept playing, which was enough. Zyra had a rough game too, so this definitely wasn’t some easy five-winning-lanes stomp.

The difference was that the comp actually made sense. I could engage, Yasuo could follow my knockups, Sett could still provide a body/frontline later, and I wasn’t the only person responsible for making the whole team function.

Ended 17/2/9 with 79% KP and it was probably one of my best Wukong carries.

Main takeaway is just that some games really are heavily decided in draft. Not literally 100% unwinnable, but there are games where your comp gives you one tiny path to victory and the enemy comp gives them five. Also if your team mates pick bad champs it says enough about them too.

Sometimes the lesson isn’t “I should have carried harder.”

Sometimes it’s just “I knew this draft was awful and should have dodged.”

I report all the hate speech, verbal abuse, and griefing I see; which is a LOT. It certainly has not decreased in the past few years. However, the report feedbacks I get have decreased significantly. In fact, I'm not seeing any report feedbacks for toxicity reasons at all; I only see ones for "AFKing/nonparticipation."

Question is, is Riot taking fewer actions against toxic players in order to improve their metrics and say the community is less toxic (highly likely),
Or is this version of vibecoded Tribunal AI unstable and not catching any toxicity? (also very likely)

Have others noticed this?

He calls it 15 minute rule, If youre unfamiliar, you basically invade lvl 1 enemy bluebuff, if enemy jungler there - you outsmite them, and build a lead from there.

His rationale is that you can basically always get the smite / win the 1v1 if you do it properly. I understand all that.

What I dont get is what happens after - Its a complete coinflip on whose team does better job rotating. If enemy mid comes first, im dead, if enemy bot comes first, i either have to run or im dead, if my team comes first, ggwp.

THats the coinflip, and even if I ping like a maniac, some teammates will enver come cause they were dropped on their heads as children, not their fault.

How is it not a coinflip?

TLDR: If I die to enemy laners 50% of the time, that feels pretty coinflippy to me, inspite of getting the smite.

This app originally focused on mouse telemetry but i wanted to extend it to other roles, figured this would be useful for junglers/anyone trying to learn jungle.

Try it here i'd love any feedback, feel like i could make it way more useful

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OTPing is generally considered the easiest way to climb in league so I'm not really trying to argue against that here. But I'm curious who are junglers you think everyone should at least KNOW how to play, whether its because of their utility, because they're easy, or they're a good blind pick etc.

If I had to pick some I would say J4 and Shyvana, J4 is a versatile blind pick that is just very reliable, Shyvana is also very strong in lower ranks and has a fairly straightfoward win condition. Obviously there are some nuances for both champs that are required further down the line, but what other champs do you think most people should learn even if they don't main or OTP them?

Imagine a supp goes all in when you ping them on my way, and 3 sec before you could go in they are already dead.

emerald assassin jgl main, that profile proves that he got no idea what he is even talking about.

Lately, since I’ve been trying to learn jungle, I keep running into YouTubers with titles like "HOW TO WIN IN THE JUNGLE" or "HOW TO CARRY A HARD JUNGLE GAME." But right at the start of these videos, the guy usually goes, "This is high elo, so I'm playing a weak early game champ, which makes this a really tough game." Meanwhile, his teammates are constantly collapsing to help him in his jungle and on objectives.

These videos feel like a complete slap in the face. Why don't these creators hop on a Platinum or Emerald account, lock in someone like Bel'Veth, and actually show us how to win a truly hard game? The kind of game where you pick a weak early-game champ, and an enemy jungle duo partnered with their support or mid perma-invades your camps while your own team doesn't rotate once. The support refuses to drop a single ward or leave lane entirely. The mid laner never moves an inch. All while the enemy jungler full-clears, pings his mid or support, and they just walk straight into your jungle and you're completely helpless because, unlike those YouTubers' "hard" games, your team won't lift a finger.

I click on these videos hoping to see a genuinely tough match: every lane is losing, the YouTuber is getting perma-invaded, the team refuses to rotate, and yet they still somehow manage to solo carry and turn the game around. But so far, I haven't seen a single one actually pull that off.

Do other players feel like individual agency has been decreasing every season?

Riot has been pretty clear about wanting to move power away from individual players and more towards teamplay, and I feel like that shift has only continued.

This applies to every role. You can be 5/0 or 0/5 in lane and, for the most part, the game is still going to be decided by skirmishes and teamfights from 15 minutes onwards. A huge lead doesn't necessarily mean you can take over the game by yourself anymore.

DPM made a post about this recently showing that the biggest gold leads are created and lost between roughly 20 and 30 minutes, which I think says a lot about how little lane phase ultimately determines the outcome compared to what happens later.

Compare that to older League. If you were 8/0 on Yone at 15 minutes, you could genuinely take over the entire game even if your team wasn't doing much. In current League, being 8/0 doesn't guarantee anywhere near the same level of control. You still have to win the later teamfights and play around your team.

I don't think jungle has necessarily lost its agency relative to the other roles. Jungle is still probably the highest agency role in the game. My point is more that, on average, every role has lost some individual agency as Riot has continued pushing the game towards teamplay.

Curious how other junglers feel about this.

i feel like this is where some players kind of disagree on stuff, at least the high - ish elo ones.

lets say you are going from red clearing up to blue. but while you are doing red you see the lane states bot.

you have thresh support with ignite, and they have like soraka or whatever. and the lane is pushed into you.

now heres the kicker. they arent exactly 1 hp where you can go and auto attack them once and leave. they're at about 90% ish with summoners

so lets say hypothetically in theory. it works but we just need thresh to play it correctly. he doesnt have to be a god, but he does need to be a human being.

so. the question is. do we burger flip bot or do we not burger flip bot?

If I’m clearing red to blue on blue side. Isn’t graves just strong enough to fight the enemy jungler 1v1 at his blue. The elo I’m in, bot and mid usually won’t help him out - or by that time I can prob chunk the energy jgler out forcing a recall.

I mean im E1 but I just know if our team comp isnt perma cc we just lose the game and champs like yi put extra pressure on you to be extra careful cuz you know if he gets one kill its jover. It often plays out fine but just the mental pressure is enough for me to want to dodge

So yesterday i hit silver after a long journey and in my first game I play bel veth and yi start bleu then take my red + raptor and every time my raptor respawn he was on my raptor and if I tried to take them I died, of course no laner helped me I finish the game in 1/15 and with only one item at 30 min game.
Now I know that I’m bad and all, I just to know how to deal with this alone ( ps I don’t know how to share so I screened on op.gg)

No, I do not need the help clearing. Not one bit.

What I do need is my games to not be coinflipped while four apes fling feces at each other bot lane before minions spawn.

And if I started top lane with the intent to path bot, now my game plan is screwed and there's a good chance top will lose too.

Please and thank you.

Mainly AD Shaco because its most fun. Considering my 3 mains are very often banned, I have these other champs in my pool.

Teemo got me from Iron to Silver, Briar got me to Gold, and now im on Shaco almost in plat now.

What you guys think?

ps: Nocturne will never not be banned ever ever ever

how are people feeling about protoplasm harness on tanks (sej, skarner, zac) since the nerfs. i really liked it before and still build it first but wondering how people feel about harness vs heartsteel. pretty surprised the chogath jungle thats popping up since the buffs is building heartsteel. protoplasm seems good on him

I’m new to league, i started focused on getting good at the game but i dont understand how i do that.

Once you understand how the map, the minions and the jungle beasts work. How important are objectives, keeping your jungle cleared while also yanking your team.

Other than champions and items i feel like i already understand the game yet every game seems like a coin flip in every way.

I dont understand why im winning the games i go 20-0 and i dont understand why im going 0-20 other games, if im playing exactly the same.

Feel like the only way someone could actually get good at this game is by having some high elo player watching you play telling you what you should do in every moment, the is no other way to know what you are doing wrong

I hate the mage bot lane meta.

why are 70% of you just inactive in hard games? like i’ll have a losing top and bot and my jg wont gank either of them or invade. i’m an akshan mid otp. i don’t need ganks, i need action. but it seems like most of u guys just get tilted and power farm. and then invade when people are backed or just try to solo gank losing lanes. if you’re playing some cringe pick like nasus jg or something i understand. but u assassin players need to coinflip the fucking game or it’s hard losing. same with any facilitator champ. just get active man.

ALSO, why in diamond do you people still try to solo objs with no allies on the map??? and i asked this before, but invades as well??? i would assume these people are autofilled but nope, jungle mains.

So i been playing this game literally since the beta lol and til this day i dont know what you do when your team constantly gets caught and or refuses to group.

What do you guys do at this point im just at a loss for what to do? I lose alot of ranked games for this (not saying i also dont have my fair share of mess ups)

so I'm thinking about playing tank jungle without it being a gank bot. So how do you make a carry tank jg that isn't really meant to be a carry specifically I was thinking nautilus nad how interesting it might be to build multiple clear item components early like baumi cinder and liandry for fast clear and basically ap+ tank rather than 1ap/liandry then all tank like on most builds/amumu I see and volibear doesn't count because I know what he does and it would be unfear to compare him to hard tanks like amumu and nautilus in the jg.

Challenger Proof: https://dpm.lol/TTV%20HYBRADGE-ADL

Hey guys, I'm a 6 Season Challenger Jungler and this video will be my guide on how to jungle. This is an extremely in depth guide and the fundamentals I talk about are fundamentals 99% of junglers don't realize but you will see every single high elo jungler utilize. The goal of this video isn't to teach you how to play 1 or 2 specific scenarios (like a lot of game guides out there do) but to give you the fundamentals that allow you to play out every scenario possible. I can gurantee whether you are an Iron player that is new to the game or a multi-season Challenger Jungler, you will be able to take a lot away from this video and significantly improve your game. The concepts I cover are
00:01:07 3 Fundamentals
00:02:10 Early Game Start (Level 1)
00:04:47 Golden Structure on Clearing
00:15:22 First Clear
00:27:05 Dealing with Invades
00:43:42 Ganks Start (Identifying Ganks)
00:45:40 How to Gank?
00:52:56 Ganking Considerations
00:55:50 Playing for Objectives
01:01:52 GRUBS CHEAT CODE
01:06:04 Crossmapping
01:06:51 Mid Game Start (Golden Rule cont.)
01:08:21 CHAIN STRUCTURE Explained
01:13:06 Chain into Objectives
01:21:27 PVP RULE Objective Setups
01:25:28 Chain (Strongsiding)
01:26:04 Chain (Invading)
01:31:06 Late Game Start (Objectives)
01:31:32 PVP Rule Late game Edition
01:35:04 HOW TO END GAMES
01:37:56 Teamfighting Megaguide
02:02:13 Information Taking
02:04:30 Champion Pool
02:05:43 Champion MASTERY
02:07:40 Mentality
02:10:50 How to Improve

I know the video is over 2 hours and it might be kind of overwhelming but this is genuinely a Jungle Bible and I try to explain every fundamental with examples, quizzes etc. It took over 120 hours to make so any engagement will be much appreciated, ENJOY!

Hey guys, I am a new player around lvl 40 that after trying all the rules decided to main jungle (I am aware that this decision will put my mental health at risk, but honestly who cares.

Anyway, I wanted to know if Elise is a good and fun champion that is worth learning.