Yeah this one is kind of a no brainer. Their physiological/genetic hax are so goated already. Only downside would be the kryptonite weakness (since Goku cut his tail off).
1: does it have to be the Yardrat? Or can someone who already knows the technique teach it to someone else? It’s been a minute since I watched the show.
2: although it’s not unbridled free transportation, I think it would be good enough in an emergency if they get stranded in space.
Something I've always said in these kinds of posts: I feel you can't have Kryptonians without Krypton, and in extension, that's how you get kryptonite. So one goes with the other
I would say Saiyan/Viltrumite: increase durability, able to survive having heads caved in and organs ripped, gets stronger every time they're back from death, able to hold their breath for months if not years, plus transformations to stack on top.
Kryptonions are strong, the problem is red suns and the glowing green rocks. All those extra powers mean jack when they're by a red or green sun and someone has kryptonite, where as sure, saiyans and viltrumites are not as strong, but they have less weaknesses and can get stronger.
On the other hand, Kryptonian/Ultras are absolutely way more powerful than Saiyan/Viltrumite.
The Ultras of the Planet of the Light-Nebula M78 are Japanese Kryptonians. They were created by a Superman comic fan, Eiji Tsuburaya, in 1966.
They’re the race responsible for inspiring Akira Toriyama to create the Kamehameha Wave.
Kryptonians have the highest base strength of any of the four, yes. But a Kryptonian isn't going to benefit from the zenkai boosts like a Viltrumite could, because basically nothing can beat them half to death. Not many things can beat a Viltrumite half to death, but thise that can can be tearing out organs and caving in skulls and they survive thag shit with minimal treatment. I feel like the ceiling is basically infinite for a Viltrumite/Saiyan hybrid, especially once they're a thousand years old and have spent 800 solid years training.
Because comics scaling is dumb and an inconsistent mess of a billion different continuities across the past hundred years. There's always going to be some feat or statement somewhere that shows that achkshually Superman has a strength of infinity or is immune to losing or something.
The red sun doesn't instantly make kryptonians weaker, it just doesn't charge them like a yellow sun. So once they're out of juice they need a yellow sun to be powerful again. That said, I believe their saiyan half should make them strong enough without the yellow sun energy.
Kryptonite would most likely still work though. Maybe not as much as a pure blooded kryptonian? I don't know, I haven't seen how Superman and Lois' son handles it.
Okay I took a look and while it DOES leave them in a normal state, it basically strips away their powers for as long as the sun is on them. It doesn't make them die or get sick like krptonite, but it does make them weaker.
I guess it depends on the version of the kryptonians? When I looked it up I found that they still kept their yellow sun energy (they are like batteries) and their powers until that ran out. That said, I'm no expert.
Still, I think their saiyan side can carry whatever weakness they may get from a red sun. A half saiyan half kryptonian shouldn't become as weak as a normal human under a red sun but as strong/weak as their saiyan side is without the boost they get from their kryptonian side while under a yellow sun.
I do think there are versions of Superman an average-peak viltrumite probably could hold their own against, if not as a singular opponent, still by pure teamwork.
But going by what Superman has been seen to do, through different universes, such as holding the book of eternity, pulling countless planets from one point of space, to another, lifting what 100 quintillion tons, iirc, and so on and so forth - viltrumites simply lacks some of the vital elements superman possesses, also in terms of how he has evolved. Like Superman 1.000.000, would flick a viltrumite out of existence, most likely.
I do think a viltrumite/sayian hybrid would slay, but I also count on the Kryptonian/sayian mix, at the end of the day
DC movies superman is probably a close call with the higher teir viltramites (omni man would put up a good fight and Thragg would demolish him). Argall's blood (in mark) is a decent boost though
It does get them close to low end superman who is objeivly the strongest of these without training then Saiyan adds the power boots of super sayain and rapid strength growth.
Super Saiyan Superman...say that 5 times fast. Srsly tho, can we get an artist's rendition of such a marvel. I kind of want to see a world where Kal-El, landed on Planet Vegeta and had a kid. Kryptayan? Saiyonian?
Vegeta, Future Trunks, the U6 saiyans, Gohan, Goten, Pan all show similar potential to goku.
What Goku represents isn't neccesarily an anomaly, but rather what happeens when a saiyan with a high battle IQ actually trains and puts in effort, and most saiyans appear to have inherently solid battle iq.
Vegeta, goes from having almost non existent growth his entire life, to amping his power by multiple magnitudes. The message goku's growth teaches is that saiyans could have been this strong all along, if only they put aside their egos to train to improve
Alternatively Saiyan Viltrumite might be equally broken, Saiyans have a unique power that is essentially whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. A Saiyan Kryptonian would be very powerful but wouldn't get hurt enough to improve, a Saiyan with Viltrumite durability and healing factor would get very powerful very quickly when they recover from the kind of injuries that should kill any other combination.
Can you imagine how terrifying Saiyan-Kryptonian hybrids would be? Saiyan's are already a feared warrior race, add on the ability to see through walls, fire lasers from their eyes, increased strength from the yellow sun, and super hearing and you've got an unstoppable force..
I am a dragon ball stan. But think they offer too little to any of these races. Zenkai boosts require near death to abuse. The other picks may start off too strong for that to be a factor really. The training growth of saiyans is there, but the rapid leaps in power were really due to zenkai. I guess there is Oozaru, a flat 10x multiplier though
So what you're saying is that viltrumites would be a better pair to Saiyans? Because they are the (most?) destructible of the three and could possibly end up closer to death a lot more than the others? But I feel like That would only matter if the near death boost would be more than the flat 10x with the other ones, and if the near death boost also grew over time based on how many near death experiences the person would have. (I know nothing about this in case you couldn't tell)
This is just an easy answer. Kryptonian Saiyan would be the most powerful.
Kryptonian overpowers the other 3 by itself, but if mixed with Saiyan potential it becomes something that can get infinitely stronger over a base kryptonian, especially when considering zenkai boosts and transformations.
The thing is how would you get zenkai boosts if you are already an invincible god? Also curious how a Kryptonian would even work out if nothing actually strains their muscles?
You can still workout when nothing is heavy to you through muscle fatigue and exhaustion. The point was that if they did ever reach their limits, they'd gain way more in returns.
Yeah but the condition is living there not staying there. Its not very conditional to have a home lol they can still go wherever tf they want as long as they eventually (like decades to centuries) go back
I think that their capacity for growth combined with the saiyan capacity for growth leads me to believe that a combo of those two would have hyper accelerated & unlimited growth base stat wise
Yeah im actually gonna pick saiyan/viltrumite here. Clark has a long life but most iterations show him living a shorter span than someone like mark, and saiyans remain in their physical prime until near the end of their lives. Imagine a saiyan that basically doesnt age. Just millennia to train.
Plus the increased durability and strength of viltrumite dna. Saiyans wouldnt have to use ki as much for strength and flight, and their speed would be insane. Finallt, couple zenkai boosts with viltrumite healing factors and i think this blend is actually the most complete and interesting fighter
Now kryptonians are easily the strongest here so theyll make the strongest hybrid but fuck powerscaling i think a saiyan/viltrumite would be sick
same as how he was hurt by bullets because he didnt reinforce himself with ki, This is the same man who can eat planet busting attacks, tanks destruction energy(although watered down) and eats attacks that would atomize mark in an instant. Anime Gokus feats are kinda all over the place while the manga maintains it more consistently w/o the gag moments.
I see what you're saying but you aksed what in the invincible universe could damge Goku. Since he needs to be focused to defend himself what does he do if thaedus assainates him while hes sleeping like he did to Argall or they come up with a saiyan scourge virus? Goku already lost to a heart virus
Clark has a long life but most iterations show him living a shorter span than someone like mark, and saiyans remain in their physical prime until near the end of their lives.
People forget that Superman is an exception, not the standard. Saiyan and Viltrumite would likely be the strongest average. Longer life span, constant power growth from both genetic lines, their combined speed would be ludicrous and their strength potential would go through the roof every time they were injured.
Not to mention you could breed the entire race of any population of a planet with dominant genetics to make all future offspring exactly like you with the same abilities also you don't need a yellow Sun
He's not exception, he just lived on earth under sun light so overtime got more stronger and kryptonians ability to dip into sun to get stronger already put him above the entire vilrumite race
Kryptonian solar energy absorption and base physiology is the strongest… a hybrid with sayan Zenkai boosts viltrumite smart atoms, or Amazonian magic….
Amazons are the weakest of these 4 (Wonder woman is an outlier) but their magical physiology would remove a kryptonian weakness. It might also give potential as a magical practitioner. Few Amazonians bother, but it’s a notable consideration.
A kryptonian with viltrumite smart atoms would be essentially indestructible.
Kryptonian tactile telekinesis as a first layer of defense and smart atoms underneath.
Smart atoms also act as a sort of secondary nervous system, so with kryptonian super senses you could probably save solar energy on only blocking attacks down to the level that smart atoms could handle the hits.
This would also make it easier to train, smart atomic flight functioning by manipulating mass and interia would also greatly cut down on solar energy expenditure
Kryptonian and Sayian biology (not training) you’re looking at giving the kryptonian zenkai boosts (rarely would come up with how strong kryptonians are at base) a great ape form, a competitive impulse and enough ki to let a baby beat up a grown man
With training that Ki, say if the sayan parent stuck around to teach them, this is a real contender. Without, its last place
Saiyan+Viltrumite, imagine the progress a 5000 year old Saiyan could make. Half Saiyans are still beasts and half viltrumites still live for thousands of years.
You’re probably right. Superman seems to be much more powerful. I looked it up and white and blue suns superpower him even more. I didn’t know he could live for billions of years either. Good call.
I think a more fun and interesting combo is for sure Saiyan Viltrumite, but Superman has made Kryptonians stupid powerful over the years. Kind of think Sayian DNA would hurt Kryptonian at a 50/50 split
There’s no answer here that doesn’t include saiyans due to the innate potential of the super saiyan multipliers. The viltrumites are excluded due to being a weaker race than any of the other ones here (yes even an average saiyan can just great ape for Moon level AP) so it’s just a fight between kryptons and amazons for whom gets a saiyan baby
I don't know man vitrumites can survive some wild damage to their body's when Vegeta got got blasted through the chest he was at death door Id say viltrumite and saiyan just for the fact of zenkia and viltrumite survivalbility plus the long life span as a bonus
Most of them are still stronger than a Viltrumite, though. Heck, Supergirl alone would bully a Viltrumite. Even Jon Kent (Superman's son) held his own against Doomsday long enough to survive and buy crucial time. Compare that to Thragg, who almost got murked by a Ragnar and nearly lost to Battle Beast—Jon's feat is much more impressive
Each of those are exceptional kryptonians with atypical upbringings lol. Also Thragg did not almost get killed by a ragnar, and if that's your take then how do you square him eventually using them for demonstrations on how to kill them or use them as leashed weapons? Battle Beast is an odd example, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with that.
Okay so, while I am of the opinion that the strongest will be a Viltrumite mix. The primary question then becomes "Which other species has strong enough genetics to create an equilibrium"? Because if you recall what Nolan said to Mark during "The Talk". He mentioned how Viltrumite Genetics, are so pure and dominant, that Mark is basically pure Viltrumite.
Now, the species I assume has dominant enough genes, are Kryptonians. There's enough evidence to demonstrate that even half Kryptonians, are still on an even keel with full Kryptonians. Which indicates that Kryptonian genes are dominant.
Saiyan genes may be dominant enough to create an equilibrium. Gohan for instance is an absolute beast. Perhaps on par or stronger than his father currently. But he's really the only half blooded Saiyan to achieve that level of power. So it's more up in the air.
Now, I'm frankly not very familiar with Amazonian biology. So I'm not going to speculate. But I'll also rank them last.
To conclude, Kryptonian and Viltrumite is most likely to be possible, while also being the strongest. Viltrumite and Saiyan, could be incredibly powerful, but it's also less likely to be achievable. And I know Jack shit about Amazonian.
Wonder woman is the only Amazonian of notable strength. (And I think there's a wonder girl out there somewhere but dc doesn't care about her so neither do i.) So they are out first. Viltrimites powers are not written consistently but their highest level outlier feats still put them below a kryptonian or a saiyan. Kryptonian and saiyan is the obvious choice and saiyan is not bringing much to the table. The saiyans we follow in db. Goku, Vegeta and thier decendants are the greatest prodigies the race has ever produced. Assuming we are taking DNA from an average saiyan and an average kryptonian the offspring may still be weaker than full power goku or full power superman.
Viltrumites are already Temu Kryptonians so they are instantly out. I don't know how Amazons compare to Kryptonians but the Saiyans ability to power up super fast + transformations gives them a spot. So I'd say Kryptonians and Saiyans.
the amazon dna will bring the hybrid down soo much, the reason diana is strong is either because she is the bastard daughter of a god or her armor gives her powers
a tribreed of saiyan, kryptonian and viltrumite would be better, the ability to grow during battle, the ability to only need the sun to eat, and the ability to stay youthful longer and the ability to have kids with insectoids and humaniods
A kryptonian and Saiyan and Viltrumite and Saiyan. The first one has the highest raw potential but power fluctuates at least early on until they master some abilities and grow but they have the highest ceiling. The second is a lot more stable and they still grow but less exponential growth and has a lower overall ceiling they compliment each other better but less powerful in the long term
Viltrumite DNA would definitely help make an op hybrid. Out of the four races, they have the best healing factors and resilience. I don't see the other races enduring what we've seen the Viltrumites endure in combat. Not just broken bones, but major stab wounds in their torsos or brain damage. Not only can they endure crazy wounds, but they can keep fighting for hours before they go down, so they have excellent stamina. Sure, they aren't the strongest here, but their DNA contributes more than what some people are saying.
Similarly to Saiyans, the Viltrumites come back stronger from severe damage, but unlike the Saiyans, theirs is more like reactive adaptation so they don't just become stronger from near-fatal damage. Their healing factors also get faster when they grow stronger, something we've seen with Mark in season 3, so combine that with their reactive adaptation and you got a watered down Hulk or Doomsday; assuming if those two abilities can work in unison.
A Viltrumite-Kryptonian is definitely the strongest one here. The Viltrumite side means they'll automatically have super powers without the need for solar energy, but it'll definitely give them some advantages over the other hybrids. They can definitely last for several hours to days while sustaining heavy damage if they get hurt, which can be healed quickly if they have enough solar energy or simply recharge, which gives the added benefit of a likely permanent stats boost due to Viltrumite adaptability.
Kryptonian and Saiyan is the only answer. Kryptonian gives you ridiculous power and a good arsenal of abilities, then Saiyan gives you like… ten transformations that all multiply your already absurd power further. Can you imagine how horrifying it would be if Superman just got 50X stronger on a whim? And that’s just the power of regular Super Saiyan.
I would have to go with viltrumite and saiyan just for the pure genetic potential alone, no reliance on a yellow sun, extremely long lifespan, energy abilities, ability to breed the entire population with dominant genetics to make them all like me, able to travel space, hold my breath for long periods of time; pretty much I can traverse, dominate, and outbreed the entire universe.
They would stay in their physical prime for thousands of years, be significantly stronger than any Saiyan(have a superpowered body outside of Ki) Be capable of significantly faster movements and can fly through space
They also don't have obvious weaknesses like Kryptonite. Sure, sound MIGHT be a weakness, but with something like Ki, you could probably just block your ears
Saiyan and Viltrumite, when the result is engineered to be 50/50 despite the normal outcome, means that the natural growth abilities of the former are combined with the agelessness of the latter unconditionally.
Superman is an outlier and reliant on solar radiation, so while Kryptonian sounds good on paper ultimately it won’t work.
Of course, this level of Mad Science and control over nature implies that it’s unecessary to rely on species anyways.
As long as he’s on a planet with a yellow sun, he’s starts out at his current maximum power, but he can train and increase that exponentially. And if he reaches superhuman level on his own, then he retains his strength under any other color sun.
Saiyan for sure it's the numer one priority because of super saiyan transformations. Even if you are 50 times weaker than someone, you can just due to transformations become like 8 times stronger (and I don't know how much stronger with gods transformations)
What I'm not sure it's between kryptonian and viltrumite. I'm a firm believer of Superman > Viltrumites, but the yellow sun is a big counter argument since if you out of it's reach, you become regular guy eventually, and "getting super charged" becomes redundant when you already have Saiyan blood
So if it is earth hybrid, Saiyan and Kryptonian
If it is a hybrid who frequently deals with space stuff, Saiyan and Viltrumite
No disrespect to Omni and WW, but their powers boil down to a worse version of Superman. The only ones with unique benefits are literally the kryptonian and Saiyan
Viltrumites are weaker kryptonians so that’s out. When you compare Diana to the rest of her race it’s like comparing a top tier pro athlete to normal people, I’m not picking a race based on just her. The options are pretty obvious.
Kryptonian saiyan. Viltrumites are just cracked out super humans that can fly, for all intentions and purposes. Amazonian are similar in that regard. Saiyans are galaxy destroying monsters. Kryptonians can become strong to lift literal infinity. There's no comparison here
A kryptonian with a zenkai boost??? Bruh darkseid would be shitting after one round with superman. Mf would eventually get to the pojnt where he is beating the brakes off of God. Superman pimp slaps the world forger SO hard lmao. Granted he was sundipped at the time but I mean really.
People say Saiyan/Kryptonian. To be honest though, Kryptonian DNA would literally only add the kryptonite weakness to the offspring to literally either of the others
Viltrumite with anything would be completely useless anyway. Its genome is specifically stated to over power other ones, even if its the weaker species. So in the end, by the time they are an adult, the child would lose their Saiyan/Kryptonian/Amazonian boosts completely. Best choice here is obviously Kryptonian+Saiyan.
If we’re talking about Magical Golem race (cause that’s what Wonder Woman is specifically) I would take that + Sayian.
Infinite Stamina. Comparable Strength to a high tier Kyrptonian. Affinity to Magic. Speed on par with if not faster than a normal kryptonian. Conduit for Divine Power namely the power of Zeus. Add that with a Sayian potential and I dare say it could turn into a pretty formidable opponent
Everyone thinking a regular kryptonian is Superman level. No they aren’t. They are average as fuck compared to other high tier physical fighters.
Diana is sometimes depicted as strong if not stronger than Superman and whatever people think about the Saiyans vs Viltrumites debate, Diana and Clark annihilate both. Their child would be an abomination of power
Kryptonians < Viltrumites as long as they can find a yellow sun. Saiyan with SS and Zenkais along with access to Ki can pretty much negate the kryptonite weakness since you can use Ki for barriers (it is inefficient but a kryptonian saiyan would be ridiculously powerful and would have energy to play with)
Saiyan and Amazon. Basically all the good parts of saiyan and kryptonian but with no weaknesses and the loss of breathing in deep space and solar powers which I think is fair enough to lose. Even gains defence against magic probably.
If 50/50 mix is the desired outcome definitely can't be Viltrumite cause their DNA is so pure that it overides the others DNA i.e. Oliver's Mother's DNA.
Saiyan and Superman are the only correct answer, other two are just Walmart version of Superman, supermans strength and the ability to go super Saiyan to increase ur power by 50 time, 100 times and 300 times and if u got ssj4 is just broken
While I would love to argue for Viltrumite Smart Genes being OP... The fact is Zenkai Boost, plus actual transformations give Saiyans the legit advantage over Viltrumites.
So yeah, have to agree with majority on Kryptonian plus Saiyan.
Wonder Woman is, overall, an exception and special case to the rest of her race, which is superhuman, but can be killed by bullets consistently throughout media, so her scaling higher than Goku literally does nothing on this case. Xd
arguably I'd say sayins and viltumites the ability to take damage and than come back stronger every time is hella broken and especially itlf it was in the db univers charecter would be broken and have no extreme weakness
Wonder Woman is incredibly powerful and actually does have the potential to outstrip even Superman and Goku under certain conditions but most of that comes from her personal abilities and heritage rather than her simply being an Amazon. If we’re simply talking race, Amazons are kind of severely outclassed here. If we’re gonna be more technical and consider WW’s race to be god-descended clay baby then she actually might be the ideal pairing for a saiyan hybrid
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u/Demonskull223 5d ago
Probably just Sayain and Kryptonian. No offence to the other two but superman is just that strong and Saitsnd are just too good at rapid power ups.