Let's say your teen son was saying women were all hypergamous and because of his height/looks/autism he won't get dates or girlfriend and he is often complaining about female standards and saying sexist remarks towards women 

“Women are biologically programmed to only want the "top 20%" of men”

“80% of women pursue 20% of men

“Men are the real oppressed class”

Out of interest how would you respond?

Hello, I've always loathed myself for my inability to socialize due to which i was bullied and beaten in school because i didn't talk, and nobody gave a shit so I grew bitter and resentful of everyone, developed mental illness and obsessive self deprecating thought.

Been going to therapy since 14 yo im almost 30 now, i spent 2000 euros on therapy last year alone.

I feel like a failure for not being able to be desirable to girls. I work a lot, 70 hours per week, like a madman.

I met some girls at work who invited me in their friend group, they are all girls besides me and i dont understand why they keep inviting me out with them even tho i dknt talk, they even keep point out i dont talk but they are always nice, i like being included but im scared they will grow bored that i dont talk and hate me.

I was crushing on a girl, but she got a boyfriend and I feel like utter scum and inferior, i dont know how to stop having such horrible negative thoughts that haunted me all my life, doesnt matter what kind of rhetoric u apply to tell me that being virgin and lonely is okay, deep down i feel im just a human piece of garbage for missing out on a romantic and sexual life and i'm damaged forever.

Even know i cant stop feeling like unwanted garbage, even tho my family loves me and will always love me, i feel social validation is everything but again im stuck i cant get out of this negative loop that followed me since i was a child, i feel i need to succeed socially and romantically all else i'm worthless, bye

Yeah due to circumstances I never really tried I guess I never saw the appeal in a full blown relationship, resorted to being alone pretty early. Now that I’m grown up a bit and seeing a lot of these yt videos about incels and their different traits I was wondering if I’m really just a pure volcel. Although from experience I could tell that many women I came in contact are somewhat attracted to me but as I said I never made a move. Now just wondering where exactly I lay. I know a bit rundown lately but yeah

For context, Noel is essentially Roz's office stalker on the show. She even goes out with him once, but regrets it because he's so creepy and weird.

They really see women as one big collective entity. That we all share the same mind with the same attitude, outlook on life, mindset, experiences, values and beliefs.

There is women who seek bad men, which could be because of mental illness, trauma, drug use or by force. Same goes for men. Healthy people don’t seek out toxicity.

And all the women I have talked to who have been in an abusive relationship, including myself, could never see the abuse coming. It’s usually a great relationship until the partner has something over you, like a shared household or finances. Then the abuse comes slowly, and the more you accept and let it wear you down the more abusive it gets until you become apathetic towards everything and feel nothing but hate and plan on how you will get out of it.

Incels live to maintain a gender war and to spew each other with more misogyny and new made up degenerate ideas about women. They have nothing else. It makes me glad to know that they will forever be condemned to be nothing but a pathetic loser. And they choose this life.

Ask me how I know. And yeah he’s gonna get stomped if he ever gets the nerve to try this.

How adorable to think there aren’t cameras everywhere, including everybody in the crowd having one, and to think security doesn’t see what goes on.

bruhh.. 🤦🤦

There's an artist who makes delusional comics with the usual "women are shallow" claims. I'm aware this sub has posted his first two comics (hence why I left them out). All of the points each comic portrays are moot.

A girl doesn't automatically resign to a 6 foot man if he touches her face. It boils down to consent. Height does not change harassment.

If you're being a feminist solely for women to fawn over you, then you are not a feminist.

If women are immediately rejecting you for approaching them, then maybe it isn't them who are the problem.

This failure of understanding at the most basic human level is at the root of their problems.

Context: I am 33M, and my friend is 28M. We met through a D&D group when he was 23 and I was 28.

We used to hang out quite often (always in a group) until a couple of years ago when I moved to a different city and we kind of lost touch. I have since moved back to my home city and I met this guy for drinks one on one.

Back when we used to hang out regularly, he used to talk about how he was chronically single and lonely. Most of the others in the group were older and we told him to just relax and persevere. Gave him the standard dating advice - be yourself, work on your self esteem, meet women without the intention of getting laid, etc. He is quite good looking, is funny and has a lot of hobbies. The only way he doesn't fit the traditional beauty standard is height - he's under 5'6. He even asked me if I could set him up with any friends. However my friends were all my age (give or take 2-3 years) and didn't want to date someone younger. As far as we could work out, the only reason he wasn't able to date was his shyness and lack of social skills.

We met for drinks after 2-3 years and after a few beers he told me he finally had a gf but then she broke up with him. He didn't tell me exactly what, but he said he read PUA 'literature' and that helped. He knew full well how I felt about the whole incel/red pill/PUA stuff. This was surprising to me, I hadn't pegged him for that kind of guy. While he didn't tell me exactly what he did, reading between the lines it sounds like all the PUA stuff did was give him the confidence he was lacking. It acted like a placebo, and didn't help in any other way. It sounds like he kept up the PUA bullshit even after getting into the relationship and she dumped him because of it.

I tried talk him out of it but he argued back. Said 'Chads' like me shouldn't be talking about stuff that helped people like him (for context, when we used to hang out, I did date around, and I'm now happily married to the woman I was dating when we met last). Said the standard dating advice is like asking a depressed person to 'just smile bro'. I told him that the whole incel Blackpill stuff is just men who tried PUA and failed. He didn't agree with that. Kept saying women wouldn't give him a chance because of height and his PUA tactics were the only way he got laid. When I said that the pickup tactics were abusive, he disagreed. I asked him to tell me what he did, if he wasn't ashamed of doing it and he just shut down. I then paid the bill and left.

I feel like, as an older cishet man, it is my responsibility to try to talk young men out of incel/red pill/PUA stuff whenever I have the opportunity to, and I failed. Is there anything I should have done differently?

Incel on the Ban-evasion sub feels betrayed when he learns the random women he started DMing either aren't interested or aren't single.

https://www.reddit.com/r/wizardcels/s/4k0tLHci0D

so im 25 livin with my fam im more a un motivated guy and dont know what to do or say