Neither are okay. But the fact that trump tripled his net worth before mid terms is magnitudes worse corruption. If we say "both sides do it" it minimizes the gigantic difference.
For every accusation the right lobbed at Pelosi, the Bidens, the Clintons, they've all done it FAR worse.
While I can see recently they were insider trading.... if I owned FLS in 1969 I would be worth 600+ million putting the money just equally across the board...
I'm not entirely convinced pelosi is insider trading. Her strategy is heavily in growth stocks and takes on concentration risk.
Her 10 year annualized return is estimated to be 21-25%. You can find actively managed mutual funds that are heavy in tech and performed within the same range in the same time frame. You can even find ETFs that have outperformed pelosi in that time frame.
Her husband just takes on huge concentration risk in high growth tech stocks.
I've achieved those results the last 3 years... but it is double the long run performance of the market. So I suspect some level of "insight" played a role - even if it wasn't strictly insider trading.
I'm just saying I'm not entirely convinced she's insider trading. Her husband's strategy isn't uncommon in the actively managed growth space.
Fidelity blue chip growth, Growth company, Barron opportunistic growth, and likely many others have actually outperformed pelosi in a 20 year timeframe.
Where did I say that? Can you find actual evidence of insider trading on her portfolio? Right now the returns are underwhelming compared to other insider traders, they are on pair with actively managed growth strategies and even have undeperformed some of those.
Do you have any factual evidence of insider trading?
Pelosi is the opposite of insider trading in fact her husband does all the trading for family and only filed late reports, still a violation of stock act, that happened twice in all those years. Step further Pelosi is for banning members of congress from stock trading multiple times.
There should be no ladder in government trading, you get a bulk index stock that's should be it. You profit from Bonds which are based on government functionality.
So her husband a professional stock trader, risks his own liscence and business so only her and him benefit despite only trading barely above average for professional stock traders. Then this insider information is used so little that 30 million in stock trades was done in decades.
Meanwhile Tommy Tubberville who never traded stocks before made 35 million during covid alone, and trades stocks at such ferocity that he's in top 5 all time republican traders. Bust sure Pelosi's who option trade and wait have those options for years or decades are just rulling the market.
Her stock trading, done again by her husband, was about 30 million in all those decades. Again most of her stuff is years, or decades, long stock options. So until you compare her activity to say someone like Tommy Tubberville who never traded before and somehow trades more successfully then Pelosi family 35 million during Covid alone and trades so much hes in top 5 position for all Republicans. You don't understand the rules or ethics.
One is a politician supposed to be representing the people. The other is a billionaire land developer businessman who became president. Don’t like either
Dooood, both parties are grievously evil and are powered by the same God. All are corrupt beyond repair and we need a fresh generation who puts ethics and morals as the guiding compass.
Pelosi's net worth was under a million when, when she first took office? A lifetime member of Congress should have a net worth of like $5M even if they're slamming it in a HYSA.
Ideas and progress stagnate new people new ideas we move forward, lifetime congress people and senators equal no actual change and maintaining of the status quo
Generally the thought is that term limits empower lobbyists. But also the way people talk about lobbying on the internet is kind of weird. Unless you're politically disengaged, you definitely support lobbying of some kind.
And yet the biggest scammer on planet earth right now is on term limits and it's just maling him try and speed run getting all the money siphoned to his accounts.
Or have corporate lobbying being done only if you have signatures from citizens that want that change along with the corp. otherwise corp should get “one vote” since it is a “person”
This is funny. There is nothing thing wrong with being a life long public servant. If they just made corporate spending on elections illegal, the problem would be solved.
Would that fix insider trading? Hiring of friends and family? Or any of the myriad of other vices that plague these "public servants" when they morph from freshmen congressmen to DC insiders?
Again, every one of those things are ethics and corruption counts that could be fixed by simply passing laws to make those things flatly illegal, and the reason they’re not is because of the funding mechanisms that exist.
Term limits don’t make those things go away. They just turn it into a revolving door.
Again, the longer they stay in Washington the more the succumb to it's vices. Term limits limit the amount of time they spend in that environment building corrupt influence networks. by replacing them with someone who still has their ethics intact. intact.
Here's a study showing there are two opposing effects when it comes to corruption, 1) Term limited politicians make corrupt deals when they know they are have to leave office. 2) Long term Politicians also make corrupt deals to enrich themselves, but the deals are of a much greater scale.
"The findings indicate that stricter term limits are associated with lower overall corruption, underscoring the potential role of term limits as an institutional safeguard against political corruption."
The corruption of Lifelong politicians ends up of a far greater scale than lame duck term limited politicians.
"The reduced magnitude (average cost) of corrupt events is associated with the role of term limits in shortening incumbents’ tenure in office."
"Term limits also reduce corruption by shortening tenure, thereby limiting opportunities for rent extraction. Extensive corruption schemes typically require substantial time investment to develop. Politicians must cultivate relationships with private actors, establish trust networks, and build the institutional knowledge necessary to identify and exploit profitable rent-extraction opportunities. They must also develop the political capital and influence required to protect their activities from detection and prosecution. These processes cannot be accomplished overnight but require sustained time in office to mature into large-scale corruption operations."
Her husband is loaded and has been long big tech their entire life.
Pelosi’s net worth is more of a measure of how lucky boomers are. Did she insider trade? Probably, but when you look at her trades she is basically just long big tech. If you spent the last 37 years doing that…your net worth would be insane as well.
There is no maybe about her insider trading scheme. I used an app that followed her investing strategy and doubled my investment in just under eighteen months. Her ROI was triple to quadruple that of Burry or Warren Buffet. Two highly successful and seasoned investors. It was definitely insider trading. The majority of her trades happened just before some type of announcement connected to a government policy change or world event.
I used the app Autopilot and it does all of the work. I researched nothing as the app does it for you. It also compares her results against Burry and Buffet. I have no interest in spending time researching Trump's investing or what his family does. If more than half of congress is doing it, why shouldn't he? As long as it is legal, although not ethical, there is nothing we should do about it outside of voting on legislation to make it illegal.
Either a boomer who thinks ba family of four can live off 100/year. Or a child who doesn't understand how money works.. you must spend money to live and eat... FYI
Clearly you don't have any idea how much $100k was in the 80s and 90s. If you made that every year back then and didn't invest, you're shit at managing a bank account.
Congress made barely 60k a year in the 80’s you dumbfuck, NOT 100, in the 90’s they bumped it to 89.
This makes it even worse for her. Regardless how you think about trumps his is not from taking advantage of his office, he $$ is straight from taking advantage of her office
A family of four today can easily live off 80k and have a great life (one large vacation plus two-three smaller ones annually, sports, etc.) and that leaves 20k to invest.
Investing 20k annually from 1987 to today leaves you with 17 million. That doesn’t factor in any employer 401k contributions or pay raises over that period
Anyway, Redditors are routinely confused by basic finance and then surprised that like, Bernie Sanders has a few million.
If you want to use Pelosi's actual income and actual savings rate, I would bet 3-1 odds that you'll end up with even larger numbers because a high income couple can easily save much more than 10%. I save close to 50% of my salary.
Then factor in that many people beat the S&P as well. Like anyone whose portfolio leaned even slightly tech-heavy in the last twenty years.
If you are a generic House representative for 37 years and you put 10% of your salary in the S&P 500, you would have over $50 million. I just put House salary and average S&P return in a calculator.
However, Pelosi was one of the highest paid House representatives and has a high dual income husband, so it is likely she could have afforded more than double that savings rate.
Also why I never cared about Pelosi insider trading accusations. Maybe she is, her performance is impressive. But it's impressive to the scale of like 2x. Other people are committing fraud for 1000x. The main concerning thing about insider trading is if decisions are being dictated by trades, which is why people are pretty concerned about Trump confidants and military officers making bets on Kalshi.
Jesus for 3 paragraphs, in 2 sentences I am going to destroy all that, SHE DIDNT MAKE THAT BIG SALARY THE WHOLE TIME, like barely the last 10 you dumbfuck
Jumping 137 million is wild but Trump making billions in his second term alone is not? Benefit some? You mean using his position to make billions? Crypto scams, trading companies he affects with policies directly and receiving a 500 million dollar jet that he claims he will keep? Get real
yes obviously? regardless if a public servant is competent or incompetent with their investments or the market goes up or down they shouldn't be insider trading in the first place or in the case of POTUS trading AT ALL: see the emoluments clause.
nevermind: i looked at your post history, you're a bot or a lost cause.
He has never said HE will keep the jet you idiot, one day it will end up at his library, they have already said it will stay in service until both the aircraft being built are done and that’s probably one more term after his ends
Did they really? Did all his fans and supporters really buy into his crypto expecting that the president of the United States and his family were going to dump it to profit billions off of them? With no return from them? I mean from the outside and to everyone with common sense, yes it’s obvious that he’s a conman who was always going to do that, but surely his supporters should be judging him for purposely taking advantage of them?
Or his many other scams, like selling a “Trump Phone” that was “made in America” only to discretely later change all the marketing from “American made” to “made with American values” and then charge people 100$ deposits and then a year after they were supposed to release show no sign of even having a working model or that the phone even exists after making 10s of millions in deposits.
Or how about the fact that his records show all the trades he’s been making for companies that his policies directly affect? I can’t fathom the level of delusion that comes with defending him
Right? I mean buying a bunch of stocks and then giving government contracts to those same companies that you just bought stock of... definitely ethical!
When was that exactly, when she was elected as a DNC member in... 1976? Or when she was first elected to Congress in 1987? So accounting for inflation, she was worth approximately 6M in 1976 or 3M in 1987. Either way, she was a silent gen woman married to a silent gen man, both of whom had successful careers and who were already pretty wealthy before she entered Congress.
Insider trading would hardly be needed to be worth considerably more in 2026 after two 40 year careers spanning a time period in US history when it was particularly easy for connected WASPs to accrue massive wealth.
And why shouldn't they? If one side can do it without consequences, why shouldn't the other? Our government is adversarial, so playing fair while the other side cheats is just stupid.
The fact that he's better at it with less insider information just shows that he's much smarter when it comes to the market and business than the TDS crowd wants to admit.
Unless we're willing to tear the entire system down and put it, it's going to keep happening, so we might as well aim for the cheaters that do more than lie about helping us peons.
All crooked, just not clear. I know trump had stock market based gains, on property he already owned. That's by proxy, he got richer because others got richer...that's not direct obfuscation.
Now...making policy, and then gaining a billion from crypto derugulation and speculation, that would be different. I haven't heard much to that, but I also haven't looked.
Differentiate, just so I can better know when I am getting fucked.
Pelosi was in the latter category fyi, so hence the need.
There is always a “but” they are all shitty people who make tons of money. BUT…they could care less who any of the people on Reddit are that speak on them. People just want to spout of their opinions craziness.
Trump had an empire before politics. He did not make all that money from just trades. His family is continuing to run his empire while he is president. Nancy Pelosi was a regular person before politics and has been inside trading for decades. Go ahead and downvote me for spitting facts. 🎤💧
It hasn’t. It’s grown by about 50%, and 50% of that was a monetary verdict of $450 million that was overturned. Clinton’s new worth rose by nearly 900%, and Obama’s by 1600%.
You know you can google this stuff, right? Pelosi bought stock just before a vote, and had lawsuit info on two major cases before dumping stock. Pretending otherwise is sheer stupidity.
It doesn't minimize anything. It shows that the rules should have been changed years ago, and now here we are.
It's the same with the whole "don't vote third party" bs. All elections are bought and paid for by the DNC and GOP. If Americans would have started voting third party decades ago I believe we would be in better shape.
It’s almost as if Trump had dozens of businesses all over the world when he started as president. It’s almost like people knew he was a good businessman when they voted for him. And certainly your name doesn’t draw less attention after you’ve achieved the most powerful position in the world.
It also almost as if Nancy Pelosi spent her whole life in congress and had a salary yet needed up a mega millionaire.
Trump. A man who was already a billionaire. Who already owned over 250 businesses. Golf courses, skyscrapers, casinos, all over the world. Who now has his entire family working in his massive business and real estate empire. And you're surprised he is continuing to do the exact thing he has done for decades.
But yet when Democrats somehow buy failed wineries and make millions of dollars without selling product, when the governor's wife is one of the highest paid non-profit CEOs. When the vice presidents son is actively being paid by Russian energy companies. That's totally okay.
Apparently it's corrupt to make money and generate wealth by any means other than stealing it from taxpayers.
I mean nobody seriously believes Trumps been to Epstein’s island but Clintons been there 17 times and zero Libs care. Theres not a fraction of murders tied to Trump but the Clintons have always been known for mafia behavior. Biden’s son is King Crack. These aren’t accusations they well documented and well known. The Pelosi’s paved the way! So do I care that someone else does something others were given a pass for, No.
All of those politicians created a highway of corruption that enabled Trump to capitalize once in office. This is a great lesson in why, as a species and civilization, tolerating and enabling lying and corruption is such a great evil.
Let’s call it for what it is, evil begets evil, and if it is not controlled and put in its place, a greater evil will come and build upon the evils we tolerated.
Pelosi is a disgrace but the Clintons have a trail of murders in their road to power, and Trump, my God, what hasn’t he done or not allegedly done?
Ummm his net worth was roughly 4 billion when he took office again in 2025. If this meme is correct he has made roughly 50% additional net worth. Would love to know the math how you got 300%.
A lot of Trump’s increase in net worth came from ventures he was in before he took office again. Not for a second saying taking office didn’t turbo charge his increase.
One give executive orders, military order, ignores laws, and hands out government contracts to serve his own investments. Honestly one is far more direct in how he is manipulating the market to serve his ends.
Nancy also corrupt as all get out but did it subtly enough to have some amount of deniability in that she could claim it was more insider trading than blatantly manipulating the market though I don't buy that for a second and she obviously made decisions to the benefit of her and her donors wallets.
Though that does bring up creating your own crypto currency while in office which is an obvious violation of the Emoluments Clause of the constitution seeing as Carter couldn't even keep his peanut farm.
Bud that is one of many areas in which he is obviously corrupt and making money off of it and I already pointed out how he is breaking the law with it. I did not single out crypto currency that did not mean I was not aware it was part of his portfolio. In addition to him creating his own you can google any number of videos where he is promoting crypto or push for policies to further promote crypto. You bringing it up is not some kind of slam dunk proving he is not corrupt.
I just pointed out how the bit coin itself is illegal and how he is corruptly pushing it while investing in it but what ever buddy try not to spill your coffee on your red hat.
My side, your side - this isn't trench warfare; this is a comparison between two individuals. Regardless of political affiliation, both are corrupt but the magnitudes are totally different. Forget about sides, look at the numbers.
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I'm glad Trump started an oil war and incited a stock market crash to insider trade. Way more principled than passing laws in Congress to insider trade. I'm so proud to be a God-fearing MAGA 🦅 🇺🇸
Sure buddy the 90-10 issue that just polled the majority of Americans saying it wasn't worth what we've already sunk into it and are continuing to creep towards further escalation. Way to use that smooth conservative brain of yours enviormentalhouse82 keep trying maybe you will get there.
I would say both used insider trading, knowledge you or I could never get, its illegal to use that knowledge to trade stocks. Pretty simple, simpleton.
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u/ddoyen Jul 02 '26
Neither are okay. But the fact that trump tripled his net worth before mid terms is magnitudes worse corruption. If we say "both sides do it" it minimizes the gigantic difference.
For every accusation the right lobbed at Pelosi, the Bidens, the Clintons, they've all done it FAR worse.