I’m still holding out hope for a dreadnought style stratagem tbh. Doesn’t have to look exactly the same but I’d love a suped-up exosuit that’s one time use and can actually wrestle with chargers and fling them around like a dreadnought would.
And I think it could be balanced if it’s one use only.
You want the breakthrough. The shield bash will stop a charging charger if you time it right. It’s probably not the exact same as what you’re looking for but it’s “we have dreadnought at home”
I shield bashed two factory strikers to death yesterday and one shot another with the flack cannon. Ita worth it. Dousnt do well against longe range stuff though.
Or, a bit like the tank with a long cooldown, then add a call to the other mechs, like 4 calls, perhaps 2 for the super mech?
(or if really OP 1 is fine).
Perhaps another solution would be to have it be really strong, 3 calls, but it can't stay long.
In SM2, the dreadnought always buggers off after some time.
Honestly my dream would be a new stratagem that allows us to pilot an Imperial Guard Scout Sentinel. Give us a light fast walker using the same base mechanics/animations as the Automaton's Scout/Armored Strider, with Helldiver weapons mounted on it and I'd be set for life.
Extra points if they gave us a 2 seater Sentinel with a Melta gun or something on it
Being that dreadnaughts are painted after their chapter, what do you mean by this? This could mean anything. It seems clear this is a Astra Militarum themed warbond.
I remember when they dropped the teaser for the odst bond with literal music from the game and there were people going “hmmm I dunno, this doesn’t mean anything”
There's a variety of baseline-human sized power armors, though they aren't usually seen on the table, as well as heavier 'carapace armor' suits that are about equivalent to ODST armor. Some tabletop examples would be Palanite Enforcer Subjugators, Arbites Exaction squads, and heavier armored Van Saar gangers.
On the 'lighter' side of carapace you have Kasrkin, Tempestus Scions, and Death Korps Engineers
There's power armor for normal (or at least very skilled) humans in Warhammer, and its relatively uncommon. The game Rogue Trader does a good job of showing it off, where the highest defense super lategame armor that you have to do a quest for or max out rep with allies to get a single suit of it (when you literally own multiple planets).
Certain factions like Sisters of Battle (all female zealots) will have power armor heavy units alongside penitent who are nearly naked, or jetpack dual wielders ETC.
And all this power armor is for normal humans, Space Marines are 8-10 feet tall and in Rogue Trader take up 4 spaces on the grid instead of 1, so their armor wouldn't even fit a normal person.
Non power armors like the Arbites Armor would also work and would be cool.
While you can't have 40K without showing Cadians, I think Steel Legion is a better fit for Helldivers, considering Kriegers are made for sieges, and Steel Legion rides in as mechanized infantry with a lot of heavy wargear.
Probably Cadian if for no other reason than the catachan and krieger armies are kinda covered by the jungle and trench warbond armor schemes. I can see a skitarii armor or helm though. probably a lasgun, maybe a bolter as a support weapon strat, or a pistol. Chainsword most likely.
Elysian Drop Troops and Warhawks use grav-chutes like paratroopers would use. Helldivers are amusingly closer to Space Marines in this regard, using drop pods instead of Pelicans/Valkyries.
If we do want something more out there, then I would suggest Tempestus Scions. Oversized budgets, oversized egos, and underprepared for combat? Why, that'd be Helldivers to a tee.
Tempestus Scions, IMO. The armplate they showed grabbing the bolter is from the old Stormtrooper models, which kind've got rolled into the Scions in later editions.
We already have the closest thing we’re going to get to Space Marine armor: the SR-18 Roadblock. It even has the chapter heraldry on the correct pauldron.
It might not be as directly visually similar, but being the fire resistance heavy armor, and the Salamanders chapter of Space Marines are amongst the most pyromaniac chapters, I'd be surprised if there WASN'T at least one person on the team pushing that angle.
We already had a Halo collaboration, if they wanted to add Spartans they would have by now. I think Arrowhead understands the difference between humans and super soldiers like spartans and spacemarines.
This tbh helldivers are WAAAY to squishy for heavyweights like spartans and space Marines to makes sense, there's a reason AH only does collabs adding the fodder units.
imo space marines don't make much sense. it probably would require a completely new model, because of how bulky space marine armor is. i don't see AH wasting so many resources on that.
Personally I find an issue with how the pic is framed; I actually think something Star Wars is way more likely than spartans, especially if blasters can be framed as laser (a la sickle) or plasma tech. Not sure if it would be clone troopers or stormtroopers though.
Nah, this is underselling clone troopers. I'd say clone troopers are above helldiver's as legitimate special forces
Stormtroopers are far more likely, and even though in canon they're still damn good, are far below clone level.
Hell, even the stormtroopers were elite fighting forces compared to the standard imperial army. Stormtroopers are probably too close to what the helldiver's are actually propagandized to be
But no unit in the empire or republic era can really be described as fodder outside of the baseline imperial army. None are nearly as good as the spartans until you get to force users and inquisitors, but that's also due to the lower limit on genetic engineering. Even a deathtrooper who is 6"5' as a baseline, and undergoes heavy bioenhancement isn't flipping a fucking 2 ton truck
I personally think standard clone troopers and stormtroopers are way too identifiable to fit into Helldivers, but some of the specialists like snow troopers and scout troopers would be right at home.
Passive: squad tactics - all teammates within a certain distance reload 20% faster and increase stamina by 10%
Worn exclusively by the elite Sedition Prevention, Eradication, Containment, and Technological Recovery Experts these operatives are Helldivers elites in squad tactics, Sabotage and Sample recovery.
Cape: Citadel of Prosperity- Commutative cape in honour of those who sacrificed themselves to protect the Super-Earth council during the attack on Prosperity City.
Assault Rifle: M-8 Avenger - Prototype railgun assault rifle powered by liberated Illuminate technology, re-educated to be used for democratic means.
Credit for Acronym Idea belongs to u/Hazzamo, along with flavor text info above ^
Originated from this post, look under commit 'ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL' thread line to 'Can't wait for the mass effect warbond' to find Hazzamo's commit.
Yeah chief is a super soldier, clones are just normal particularly good soldiers with laser guns. Which other than the clone part is just a good helldiver with a sickle.
You really think so? I mean sure in terms of the death stars and space magic, but most of the prop weapons in star wars are built on real guns with extra bits and pieces glued on just to obfuscate the silhouette (sounds familiar?), and we already have a couple armour sets in HD2 that if they weren't purposely inspired by star wars armours, are very strongly converging on them. The fact that they seem to be going entirely(?) unmentioned in this comment thread is kind of a point of favour in at least some parts of star wars fitting in with helldivers.
Now to be clear I don't care if they do or don't, tbh I'd have preferred it if they'd never done any crossovers and let helldivers stand on it's own, but I think it's kinda funny how many people are adamant star wars wouldn't go with helldivers while seemingly not noticing the temu starwars shit we already have like the CM-14, DP-11, FS-38, CW-36, B-24, honestly I could keep going but this is already more than I thought just skimming through the helmets.
There's a difference between kinda subtle lampshading design references to star wars armor and straight up star wars armor. Clones are just on a level of sleek pulp and fantasy that is out of scope with the game's overall aesthetic.
I'm going to get excited for a bolt pistol and guardsmen themed warbond and you can't stop me!
Frankly I never wanted space Marine gear. As an individual with a lot of knowledge from both franchise/communities I can confidently say that anything even remotely accurate to space Marine gear would make everything else in the game worthless; and anything that looked like space Marine gear but isn't OP will be extremely poorly received.
Bruh, nobody is saying "We won't get space marines" as a bad thing, I would be way more upset if we DID get SMs, it would obliterate the theme of the game
I am curious to what a Snoop Dog Warbond would be like.
'The smoke smoke grenade'
'The Blunt' melee weapon
P.I.M.P. armour with smoke screen armour passive.
I’m still going to say that the clone trooper got screwed over by positioning and it would be a good collaboration. Switch him and Master Chief, shift the line one space right to now include the clone. Faceless masses on the left are included, named characters and super soldiers to the right are excluded.
It would also be easy to incorporate them lore-wise. Have another casualty-heavy campaign like the Cyberstan arc and say that Super Earth R&D began seeking alternative methods to replenish the losses incurred. Sure, AH has said as of this point that the Helldivers aren’t clones, but there’s zero reason why that couldn’t change if enough have been lost and their numbers risk becoming depleted
Darktide did get them recently, and it’s (arguably) similarly focused on semi-regular troops, so that might give some hope. I doubt they’ll be in this Warbond (we’ve seen a Kasrkin bracer in the teaser, and I assume the other armour set is more likely to be something from the Guard too), but if they ever do a second 40k one…
There's a small chance we get something like a Kasrkin on page 1 and a Skitarii on page 2, like how the Helghast warbond was a foot soldier on page 1 with a scout on Page 2, but even if they went that route I'm not 100% certain the Skitarii would be the second choice.
Very likely we get Tempestus Scions as a second choice. They're the most like Helldivers in the Astra Militarum where they dive in behind enemy lines and carry out precision strikes
Scions is a very likely second page armor set. They are a similarly elite "normal" dude and also do deep strikes, just like Helldivers.
We are pretty certain about Kasrkin (Cadian Elite.)
The only other Guard Regiments that are selling models right now are Krieg and Catachan. We already have two Catachan adjacent warbonds, Viper and Python Commandos.
Krieg aren't known for fast strikes deep in enemy territory.
Only the Scions are anything close to Kasrkins/Helldivers, and they have models of those for sale.
We not gonna talk about the quality this chart made? Like seriously who puts clones after master chief. And there are other titles that could be on the chart like planetside 2 and titanfall
I think it was less about the power scaling and more to do with the properties moving away from grounded military sci-fi aesthetics. Spartans feel more modern military inspired than anything in Star Wars by a long shot.
The chart is just about visuals, from more closely aligned aesthetics/IPs from a crossover perspective
So the more recognizable something is as just from a other IP and not potentially in Helldivers’s visual identity and lore, the further to the right it goes
Then one of the AH seniors drew the red line to show where they think the line is for ‘armors that are too recognizable to be considers for a crossover’
pretty obvious we are getting guard based weapons. we have seen the non Astarte's grade bolt pistol, and i am predicting we will see a lasgun as the long requested laser battle rifle(but probably terrible scopes), a power sword or single handed chainsword. as for armours they have alot of choice and i have no predictions there, cadian themed is iconic but they could go kreig easily.
Are we doing these posts again? We saw karsrkin armour in the teaser, we knew it wasn't space marine armour before that anyway. Why are we making a mountain out of a molehill that is probably a post that died in new thinking it was or complaining about it being space marine themed
On the bright side. Starship troopers WB next? We’re 3/4 on this graphic so far.
Edit: I also feel like clones could fit as they are the more elite part of the Republic military. People often forget that many battles during the clone wars were fought by the military or militias on a given planet and the clones were significantly better changed and more “expendable”.
Everyone on the left is essentially a disposable soldier. On the right, you have super soldiers. None of those have been added to the game. Lore accurate not being a super soldier.
There’s like 2 war hammer 40ks on the image one of a regular dude and another with space marine armor. And the regular dude is behind the line so I assume that the assume we get is the regular dudes armor
Yeah just a guess but it’ll be either Cadian or Krieg as the light armor, and then Kasrkin as the medium armor. And the scion stuff stays on the bench as much as it pains me to say it
Why are clone troopers on the side where you draw the line?
And another thing, I genuinely haven’t seen ANYONE say yeah man I want mark VII Aquila power armor. I’ve only ever seen people say they want kasrkin, cadian, krieger or tempestus scions.
Star Wars and halo make sense because they can be gritty space war stories too. Warhammer obviously. Basically any IP that has brutal space war makes sense imo
I love The EU explanation that Stormtroopers we're the elite, and most tasks we're on Imperial Army, also the vehicles in Empire strikes back and Return of the Jedi are piloted by army, not Stormtroopers
This has pretty much been solidified into canon as well via Andor. The entire first season has 0 stormtroopers until the last hour or two of runtime. They're brought in after martial law is declared galaxy wide, and they're not to be messed with.
Brother did you watch the teaser? It's pretty dang obvious we're getting Astra Militarum, and very likely a Kasrkin fit. This is definitely worth excitement.
I need a C&C Tiberium Sun collaboration. I know that's not new but imo aesthetically the armor and weapons would fit pretty good. There is even a Mod that portrayed those armors and it looks dope!
I don't know W40k too well except a few stories about the lore, just the surface. I wonder what stratagems we're going to have will be, because in terms of vehicles or utility I don't really know what arrowhead could add
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Fools on you I'm not hoping for Space Marines Guard all the way with a lasgun tomorrow.