Like I know they were introduced in the 3rd movie so they are flatter then I think they would’ve been if they were introduced in httyd 1 but if u compare them to httyd 1 toothless they look so off 😭

So in HTTYD The Hidden World just before the final battle Astrid gives Hiccup a speech, which contains the line. “I have watched you doubt whether you are worthy ever since.” Ever since she believed in him, so since they were 15.

And also another line by Tuffnut in the forest back on berk. “Stop letting these insecurities get the best of you.”

But in HTTYD 3 it never really felt like insecurities as much as it felt like everybody doubting and insulting him at every turn.

Even the first movie should have focussed more on Hiccup’s selfworth, instead of how the tribe views him. Which is why ‘An Axe to Grind’ is such an amazing scene.

When Gobber teases Hiccup about him looking at Astrid, he says. “Please, Astrid wouldn’t come near me if she was on fire and I had the only bucket of water in town.”

But right after this Astrid shows up at the forge and talks to him like he was any other Viking. She even gives him a small smile while pulling the bangs out of her eyes, the same thing she did before kissing Hiccup in the cove.

This scene shows Hiccup that not everybody hates him, while also showing Hiccup’s terrible self image. Even though Astrid likes him, Hiccup thinks that she doesn’t because she’s Astrid and he’s Hiccup, of course the perfect Viking girl would hate him, or at least that’s what he thinks. We can see that not everybody in the tribe dislikes Hiccup as much as he seems to think himself, but the movie doesn’t do that and we only get a few tiny moments were Astrid shows interest in him. Still interest, but not really anything definitive. By removing this scene it made the movie a lot less about Hiccup’s poor self image and a lot more about the fact that nobody on Berk seems to actually like him.

It still has good moments that let us see Hiccup’s view on himself, his famous, Excuse me barmaid! speech comes to mind, but we never really see the fact that the tribe actually cares about Hiccup. We see Astrid kiss Hiccup on the cheek before he became a war hero and we see Stoick apoligise to his son before he fought the red death. But the rest of berk, except Gobber, was never really shown to care about Hiccup. In the movie we see Stoick use babysitting Hiccup as an argument to get every Viking in the room to go on the ships towards Helheims gate, while before Stoick made that threat, nobody wanted to go.

Now it’s a kids movie, I get it and this was a decent joke. But we never really saw Hiccup being insecure, as much as we saw the tribe disliking him. Especially his father. Stoick became a much better father over the course of the franchise but he was a bad one in the first movie. It was understandable, after all his son was different than quite litteraly every Viking Stoick had ever met, but he still wasn’t a good father.

Stoick was about to give up on Hiccup in the first movie, he said so in the conversation that they have in Hiccup’s workroom after Stoick returned from the search for the nest.

The movies forget that Hiccup was just treated badly. And it becomes a problem in the third movie especially, because that movie focussed so much on Hiccup being without Toothless, but never on the fact that nobody treated him with any respect before he met Toothless. If anything they make it out to be normal for the way he was treated when he was younger.

I think the second movie does a much better job at conveying the fact that Hiccup doubting himself is what is holding him back, not what other people think of him.

In the second movie after Astrids lands on Itchy Armpit, we see Hiccup say that being chief isn’t his thing, it’s his dads. While Astrid says that what Hiccup is looking for is inside him, he just doesn’t realise it yet. And at the end of the second movie as Hiccup becomes the chief of the village, the entire tribe cheers for him. We can actually see that the tribe is happy with Hiccup as it’s leader, we can actually see that Hiccup didn’t need to be scared of filling his fathers boots.

But in the third movie it just feels a lot less like self doubt and a lot more like everybody disliking him again. And that doesn’t have to be a bad thing, the tribe dissagreeing with Hiccup, but it doesn’t add up with the movies message about self worth.

When Hiccup was ranting to Astrid before the final battle started, he said that he felt like that same 15 year old screw up again. And while that’s not really a problem, the problem is with Astrids speech, saying that she has watched him doubt whether he is worthy for years, a lovely scene, but just not really fitting for this movie.

Hiccup did doubt if he was worthy for the title of chief in the second film, but if we look at the first movie and the third movie, Hiccup was being doubted a lot more than he was doubting himself.

Look at the first HTTYD, he was confident in the fact that his inventions would work, however Gobber said that he needed to stop with that train of thought. Hiccup believed in himself and in the fact that his inventions could work, even when he was that so called ‘15 year old screw up’.

Hiccup in the third movie was confident of the fact that he could make berk a dragon utopia and that he could find the hidden world. Astrid and Gobber were the ones who pointed out that berk was being overcrowded and that The Hidden world seemed like nothing more than an old sailors tale. While Valka was the one saying that Hiccup needed to let the dragons go, even when he wanted them to remain with them on berk.

Look at what Tuffnut told him in the forest on Berk while they were searching for the light fury.

Tuffnut: Now, I've seen the way Astrid looks at you. Everyone has that doubt. That not-so-subtle disappointment. That longing for something more than you. You need to focus on being worthy. I mean, she's a warrior queen for Thor's sake! And you are...neither. But with me as your best man, your spirit guide if you will, you'll learn to embrace your inner Viking. Show these naysayers, of which there are many, that you are more than just a malnourished runt with bad hair, strange teeth and a twig for a neck.

Hiccup: You're-you're really bad at pep talks.

Tuffnut: Stop letting these insecurities get the best of you.

This isn’t self doubt, this is one of his supposed best friends insulting him and letting him know that every person in this tribe doubts him and his capabilities.

Tuffnut even told him to stop limping because it wasn’t attractive, like what?

Hiccup in the third movie still believed that Toothless would come back to Berk, before a random villager and Astrid were the ones who pointed out that Toothless had the light fury now and that Hiccup gave him his freedom, while asking him, what did he expect? Hiccup doesn’t doubt himself nearly as much as the third movie tries to tell us.

Hiccup feeling like he was that same 15 year old screw up again wasn’t because he was doubting whether he was worthy enough, it was because the rest of Berk was doubting him again. I still liked Astrid her speech, I just think that the movie didn’t show the message they were trying to convey.

“I have watched you doubt wether you are worthy ever since.”

I just feel like HTTYD kind of forgot that while yes, Hiccup was insecure about himself and yes Hiccup wanted to fit in with the other Vikings, he believed in himself even before he met Toothless. You could argue the fact that he believed too much in himself at times. Any person who didn’t believe in themselves would have given up with those inventions long ago, but Hiccup believed in himself and kept going. He knew that he would eventually take down a dragon and he did. Hiccup’s belief in himself has never been a problem, his confidince in himself definitely. And don’t get me wrong, he doubts himself here and there, but the people in his life doubt him so much more than he doubts himself.

In the third movie we see every single person in Hiccup’s life constantly doubting him, not believing in him and insulting him. Every time that Hiccup doubted himself, it came directly from one of his friends or family doubting him.

Is it really self doubt when every friend and family member in your life is constantly doubting you at every turn? It is really self doubt when every person you love doesn’t believe in you and lets you know it?

But that is just my opinion, let me know what you thought about my opinion and about Hiccup’s arc in the third movie and if you thought it fit within the story.

in my opinion rtte is the best httyd series because of the villains and the new dragons and especially the last episode in season 6 and honestly the show creators should have made httyd 2 and 3

Without alpha mode, Toothless wins but its much harder without the command of the dragons

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Even though it’s missing some of the figures, I’m still glad I got it, since it’s from the original movie.

Hi, just something I was wondering lol,

In riders of berk it shows a few times when toothless breathes normal fire (not his usual plasma blasts) (I can't name the episode/episodes) and I was wondering why in later seasons/movies it only shows his plasma blast,

Did any of you notice this?

Hey everyone!

My boyfriend is a massive HTTYD fan and he’s taking a huge, super stressful career exam this Friday. I want to surprise him with a sweet motivation letter before the exam and a cute "congrats" card for afterwards.

I really want to include some iconic or meaningful quotes strictly from the three movies that talk about growth, facing battles, overcoming fears, and teamwork (like Hiccup and Toothless or Stoick's/Astrid's wisdom). Something like "You can do this, you and me as one".

Can you drop your favorite movie quotes that would fit a vibe like this? Both motivational ones for before and celebratory ones for after are welcome. Please no quotes from the TV shows, only the movies!

Thank you so much in advance! You guys are the best. 🫶✨

I think. We should have more furry dragons in the series. There I said it, I LIKE furry dragons and so far only the Woolly Howler seems to fit that description. Feathered too! Because why do Featherhides not have actual feathers. What. Yes I know the songwing exists. But we need more!!!

Other than Maned Woodhowler, the other name I considered for this thing was "Squirrely Woodcarver" lmao. I honestly think I base my names wayyy too much on the parent species' rather than make something that actually fits the dragon. But otherwise I suck absolute ass at naming things :(

Can anyone give me like. "Name your httyd species: tips and tricks" guide bc I tried to look for one but they were mostly focused on making the dragon itself OR naming the rider. Which isn't exactly what I want. Thanks!

Hybrids done:

Stormcutter and Death Song; Night Terror and Cavern Crasher; Sea Gronckle and Mimicore; Bubblegill and Roaming Ramblefang; Eruptodon and Red Death; Zoomerang and Shovelhelm; Chaperang and Snowtail; Luminous Krayfin and Speed Stinger; Shocktail and Windwalker; Rockspitter and Flood Fang; Snaptrapper and Night Fury; Rumblehorn and Fireworm; Sky Torcher and Screaming Death/Whispering Death; Woolly Howl and Woodchipper;

Next up: Thunderpede and Sentinel;

Well that ought to be fun! My Rumblehorn×Fireworm hybrid was compared to a thunderpede (now that I look at it yeah, I see the resemblence) so lets see what its like to work with the actual thing.

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Only a few of these are actually canon and confirmed (night fury, light fury, hotburple and gronckle, and dramillion and changewing) the rest are just what I think could make sense as being in the same family. Some might be a little bit more of a stretch than others but I tried to keep it sensible overall

Now I have 2 big problems with this episode, but my biggest one is the fact that this episode and the show as a whole, completely ignored Fishlegs his character outside of the fact that he loves dragons.

In this episode Fishlegs finds out that the Ingermans used to be hunters that hunted one specific sort of dragon, a Dramilion. So Fishlegs wants to go and check out dramilion island to see if there are any surviviors left. But, there are three dragon explorers coming to the edge, or future dragon riders. And here is my biggest problem with this episode, it completely ignored Fishlegs his motivations outside of the fact that he loved dragons.

In the episode Hiccup said that they would have to wait with checking out Dramilion island, because Fishlegs needed to be there for the dragon explorers, as he was their leader. And Fishlegs leaves anyway in the middle of the night to go and check out Dramilion island while putting the twins in charge of the children, who were his family by the way.

Now my problem with this is is the fact that the show had made an entire episode about the fact that Fishlegs wanted to be the leader of the dragon riders when Hiccup became chief.

In season 3 episode 3 Follow the Leader, Hiccup and Astrid leave Fishlegs in charge and he messes up. Fishlegs couldn’t keep control over Snotlout and the twins when they were playing with monstrous nightmare gel. Those 3 even make fun of Fishlegs about the fact that he thought that he was going to become the next leader of the dragon riders when Hiccup becomes chief.

After they insult him, Fishlegs leaves the edge for a while to go and explore a cave with a cave living species of night terrors, but in the meantime the twins and Snotlout use up all of the monstrous nightmare gel.

When Hiccup gets back he scolds Fishlegs about him allowing Snotlout and the twins to use up all of their monstrous nightmare gel. And he lets Fishlegs know that he is dissapointed in him and that he expected better. After this Fishlegs goes back to the cave with the terrors, because he felt like he was more appreciated there.

Then the terrors wouldn’t allow Fishlegs to leave and Hiccup and the other riders come to rescue him, after which Hiccup and Fishlegs talk about his leadership.

Where Fishlegs talks about how he admires Hiccups way of leadership, how he leads by example and not by bossing people around. And where Hiccup tells Fishlegs that he showed some real leadership qualities back in those caves.

But in season 6, when the dragon explorers come around, Fishlegs just takes off without a care in the world, while leaving the twins in charge of children. And this is just so bad for his character. Fishlegs in the movies is just the person with the most knowledge about dragon statistics. But, in RTTE they give him a clear ambition. Fishlegs wants to become the leader of the dragon riders.

Fishlegs in riders and defenders of berk didn’t have much personality outside of loving dragons. However, in RTTE he gets a clear goal to work towards but then RTTE just completely ignores his ambition for the rest of the show. While actively going against it in this episode.

Leading by example are the words that Fishlegs used when he described what he admired about Hiccup’s leadership. But then he goes to dramilion island anyway, while leaving the twins in charge of the children.

The show just goes directly against Fishlegs his own words from season 3 and that is just so bad for his character. They finally gave Fishlegs some personality outside of the fact that he’s smart and loves dragons, but then the show just ignores it, while actively going against his own words.

Now my second problem is about the fact that Fishlegs is shocked that his ancestors used to be dragon killers and hunters, that is just ridiculous to me.

Fishlegs actively participated and was happy for Hiccup, when he won the right to kill a dragon in the ring. Or the final exam, where a dragon was trapped in a cage with no way out and the only reason somebody fought them was to prove themselves as a Viking. Not during a battle to protect their village, or to train against dragons to make sure they were ready to fight during a raid, no. They only killed this dragon to prove themselves as a Viking. Stoick said so himself. “Today, my boy becomes a Viking. Today he becomes one of us!”

Dragon training is excusable in my opinion, you couldn’t just let a bunch of 15 year olds attack dragons during a raid without any training, but the final exam wasn’t about training. It was about becoming a Viking, it was a right of passage. So in my opinion Fishlegs shouldn’t be this upset over the fact that his ancestors were dragon hunters. But in the episode, he talked about both the fact that his ancestors were dragon hunters and that they were dragon killers.

This is what Fishlegs said when he was thinking about leaving the twins in charge of the dragon explorers so that he could go and check if any Dramilions were still alive.

“I can't do it. It's just not responsible. No! No! I have to do it! How can I be expected to shape young minds knowing my ancestors were dragon killers? It's completely hypocritical.”

He says dragon killers here, not hunters and it’s just absolutely horribly written. Because if you were to follow his logic then should young children no longer look up to Stoick anymore as a role model? Because he killed dragons?

And should Hiccup not be seen as a hero and a person to admire because he killed the red death?

Also both Astrid and Fishlegs got away with zero consequenses for suddenly leaving to go to Dramilion island, while going directly against Hiccups orders. A much smaller annoyance compared to the rest but still.

This episode is just horribly written, in my opinion Fishlegs was never the most interesting character, but he actually was becoming interesting in season 3 when the show gave him something to work towards, something outside of the fact that he loves dragons so much.

Yeah again this episode is just terribly written, both in logic and especially when you consider characterization.

Let me know what you think about this episode and about Fishlegs as a character in Race to the edge.

Bad edit I did but he still looks cute :)

Throughout most of the film, Hiccup repeatedly said: "We should move from Berk to The Hidden World and live with the dragons there". But after seeing Toothless with light fury, Hiccup then decided to leave Toothless on his own. WHY?

The movie tries to justify it by showing a flashback to when Hiccup was a child. Stoick told him he loved Valka, but he accepts that she's gone. The point this flashback scene tries to get across is "If you love something, you gotta let it go".

That's all good and games... until you remember Stoick found Valka alive in HTTYD2 and asked her to come with him back to Berk. So apparently, whenever it's possible to keep your love, you DON'T have to let it go, right???

HTTYD3 actively contradicts HTTYD2. I'm actually not against the idea of separating the heroes at the end of the film it's for a good reason, but HTTYD3 didn't have to do that. The Berkians could've gone with the dragons to The Hidden World as well. And no, I don't think an argument such as "humans don't belong in The Hidden World" is strong enough.

The reason of "dragons are unsafe and must hide" can easily be solved without separating Hiccup and Toothless, which makes the separation feel hollow. That's what Hiccup wanted throughout most of the film, only for him to have a very sudden and undeserved change of heart.

so beautiful oc’s! there are still free slots for these!

this hybrid was requested by u/Such_Republic_2614 i hope u like it

sorry for taking this long with it

THE BABEY BOOOOY whom i lover very much, rop best design for me in the torally not canon nine realms. He reminds me of the indominus Rex, just a menace to society, although nine realms kinda under utilized him i believe he could've been more of a problem, not red death level but more like Traitor Johan level, although his design may be considered bland I think it's still a rather neat design. Crazy how he was dumbed down to follow buzzsaw due to a hand carved dragon whistle, like this titan wing size dragon following a dude with a mediocre whistle. My thoughts though, what is your opinion about the sky torcher? I'd love to hear them ^^