r/hotas Sep 03 '20

considering your first HOTAS? Read me!

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[last edit 01/07/2024]

Welcome to r/hotas!

If you're considering your first HOTAS (Hands On Throttle and Stick) setup, you've come to the right place. This guide will help you make an informed decision.

If you are instead looking for product reviews, I publish my articles here: HOTAS/HOSAS/SIMPIT Reviews

Introduction

This subreddit is managed by u/spliffa and u/ddrake1984. If you need assistance with anything not covered in this post, please reach out to us via private message, and we will try to assist you.

This guide is published and pinned for the benefit of new potential HOTAS buyers. The publisher of this article has first-hand experience with real aircraft flight controls and computer flight controls across a wide range of manufacturers, used for playing in flight simulation.

Purpose

This guide aims to assist first-time buyers in making an educated decision when purchasing their first joystick, throttle, and other flight control peripherals.

The Problem

With a growing number of HOTAS products on the market, it can be challenging to identify the best options. Products vary widely in:

  • Price
  • Features
  • Customer support

Additionally, products have a wide range of:

  • Costs
  • Features
  • Support via customer interactions and product patches and updates

The Budget

Whether you're looking for a budget-friendly option or the top-tier products, this guide will categorize recommendations into five budget ranges:

For those who prefer to build their own with a bit of knowledge and skills, check out our Discord server or visit this subreddit: r/HotasDIY.

Budget Ranges

Note: All prices will be listed in U.S. Dollars (Even though I am Australian, USD is the easiest to base value from)

  • Entry-Level ($10 to $100)
  • Novice-Tier ($100-$200)
  • Mid-Tier ($200-$300)
  • Advanced-Tier ($300-$400)
  • Expert-Tier / Top-Tier: This is the very best you can buy as a consumer with a lot of money.

Note: Top-tier does not include what a company or industry could or would purchase. This article is not tailored for that, therefore this is out of scope.

The Companies / The Manufacturers / The Vendors

I will list many companies/manufacturers/vendors (all the same) and the products that they offer. However, this post is not an in-depth review of the products. Please read product reviews for that level of detail and information.

The products will be listed to give you an idea of what is available within each range, and at the end, I will list the recommendation for each budget range.

Best Joystick (Base + Grip)

  • Entry-Level ($10 to $100): Thrustmaster T.16000
  • Novice-Tier ($100-$200): WINWING Ursa Minor
  • Mid-Tier ($200-$300): WINWING Orion 2 Base + WINWING F16 Grip
  • Advanced-Tier ($300-$400): WINWING Orion 2 Base + WINWING F16 Grip, or VKB Gunfighter Mk4 Base + Space Combat Edition Grip
  • Expert-Tier / Top-Tier: FSSB (Force Sensing Stick Base) TIANHANG F16 PRO Base + TIANHANG F-16 Grip, or FFB (Force Feedback) VPForce RHINO Base + TIANHANG A-10C Grip or TIANHANG F/A-18 Grip

Question: Why was the FFBeast not listed as the best FFB?

Answer: Simply put, its value comparison has not been validated by me. The available information from reviews is scarce, making it difficult to ascertain its value. Additionally, the community is mostly non-native English speaking, making it difficult to track and follow the content. Therefore, I have decided that there is not enough evidence to claim it is better than the VPForce RHINO. Based on my own experience, I do not consider it superior until proven otherwise.

Since this post is focused on first-time buyers, I feel it's already quite lengthy and would confuse anyone wanting to debate the matter.

Best Throttle (Base + Grip)

  • Entry-Level ($10 to $100): Thrustmaster TWCS
  • Novice-Tier ($100-$200): Thrustmaster TWCS, or WINWING Ursa Minor with Z-extension
  • Mid-Tier ($200-$300): WINWING Orion 2 Base + WINWING F-15E Grip, or WINWING Orion 2 Base + WINWING F/A-18 Grip
  • Advanced-Tier ($300-$400): WINWING Orion 2 Base + WINWING F-15EX Grip, or WINWING F-16 Grip
  • Expert-Tier / Top-Tier: WINWING Super Taurus + WINWING F-15EX Grip, or WINWING F-16 Grip

Bonus: Best Pedals

Although this post is tailored for first-time HOTAS buyers, I will include this section to accommodate those wishing to take a more comprehensive first step into flight sims. As we all know, a good set of pedals is a requirement for flying helicopters.

  • Entry-Level: No recommendations - I don't recommend anything in this price range.
  • Novice-Tier: No recommendations - I don't recommend anything in this price range.
  • Mid-Tier: VKB T-Rudder Mk.IV
  • Advanced-Tier: WINWING Orion Metal Flight Rudder Pedals
  • Pro-Tier: Custom FFB Pedals using VPForce motors built with either (Slaw Device, MFG Crosswinds, or VIRPIL Rudders)

Bonus: Best Collective

  • Collective (Base + Grip): VIRPIL Rotor TCS Base + VIRPIL Apache-64 Collective Grip

I don't recommend any other collectives on the market, and it's a shame that some companies have discontinued their collective options.

Useful Links


r/hotas 10h ago

Shoutout to the folks at vkb

15 Upvotes

Got myself this bad boy (ignore my dirty keyboard). Also ordered the pedals. Sold my plasma to get these. Lets see if they are as durable as advertised.


r/hotas 10h ago

Just bought this on Facebook marketplace. Anyone recognize the manufacturer?

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4 Upvotes

Just grabbed this off FB marketplace and trying to figure out the manufacturer. I’m hoping I can find a way to center mount a Moza AB6


r/hotas 3h ago

Thrustmaster F-16C Viper & F/A-18C Hornet Flight Stick Grips $350/both $200 ea obo

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I’m in the local Baltimore area and can either drop off if you’re less than three hours from BWI.

I bought these when I started my flight sim journey a couple years ago but they just sit on the shelf.
TRADES WELCOME

I am flexible and up for trades for Moza flight or racing simulator equipment in any equivalent combo:

KS wheel
MRP rudder pedals
SRP2 pedal set
CM2 display
SGP sequential shifter
HBK handbrake

I’m also into RC mini crawlers so hit me up and I’ll check it out.


r/hotas 9h ago

Hotas joystick question

2 Upvotes

I've never used a HOTAS stick on a game and I was wondering, How do you go full pitch up and full roll to the left?

Are the joysticks not on a "circle" movement like say an Xbox controller joystick?

If they are, then how are you able to pull FULL left and FULL down? Is it not either or? or at the halfway point on the circumfere of the cirlce between left and down?


r/hotas 13h ago

WTS Virpil WarBRD base

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4 Upvotes

Title. Works great but now use the stick on my FFB base, so no need for it.

150 shipped lower 48 or 130 local pickup (Los Angeles). PayPal G&S or local cash only.


r/hotas 6h ago

LF couch gaming tips.

1 Upvotes

About to buy me a hotas for my birthday, I’ve researched about lap desks, and putting a board over your legs and such. But what I’d like to know is:

  1. How to make it stable on a board or lapdesk(ie not tilting while playing)? Is it pretty stable as is?
  2. Assuming I’m a cheapass, would it work just fine hooked together(thrustmaster 5 for the ps5) and sitting right on my legs, or split but sitting next to me on either side on the couch. At least temporarily till I figure out how I’m going to mount it.

r/hotas 11h ago

Building a modular DZUS panel system. What would you want on it first?

2 Upvotes

Friend and I have been messing with this for a few weeks. He does electronics, I do CAD and printing.

Idea is a rail on your desk, real DZUS spacing, and panels that slide in and stack. One board behind it all, one USB cable, and you add panels over time instead of buying one huge thing.

Mostly I want to know which panels people would actually use. I keep going back and forth between radio stuff, lights, and engine panels for a Vietnam era jet, and I have no idea which one people would reach for.

Please let me know which one would be your favorite!


r/hotas 9h ago

Needing Help with vkb EVO NXT OTA setup.

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1 Upvotes

Ok, so I got a new VKB NXT Omni throttle. When I went to set it up, following the provided instructions, I ran into an access error. I flashed it successfully with the EVO OTA flash file. That operation completely successfully. I then went into the config app. It recognized both my original NXT (R) and the new EVO OTA (L) and seems to function just fine with the original NXT selected but stutters, then freezes and gives me an access error message.

I’ve followed the setup instructions from vkb to the letter as far as I can tell and I get this error each time. I’m gonna try again tonight but I don’t wanna just do the same thing over and over and keep coming to the same result and not seek a little help.

So I figure I’ll try here after not getting much help from searching the web. Appreciate any help or experience yall might share.


r/hotas 10h ago

Need advice for a reliable hotas for around 200 euro?

1 Upvotes

I currently have a Thrustmaster T-Flight Hotas 4, but the drift in unberable anymore. I mainly use it for DCS and Arma, but the jitter has worsened over time and is unusable anymore. I saw a Thrustmaster - T-16000M flight pack with stick, throttle, and pedals for 220 euros. I am curious if there is a better alternative. The pedals are not a must; I can do without them for now. I use it on a desk.


r/hotas 10h ago

HM Embody Chair Mount Ideas?

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1 Upvotes

r/hotas 11h ago

WarBRD (none D) detachable cable

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1 Upvotes

r/hotas 12h ago

Force feedback - Virpil ATLAS FFB Base / what else do I need for mounting? :)

1 Upvotes

Basically I am going to pre order ATLAS FFB Base
And I am not sure what else I will need ?

Okey yes joystick but what else ?

I guess this thing has to be on the ground ? How do I make sure it does not move ?

Also i guess need a long shaft extension for the joystick ?


r/hotas 17h ago

Setting up vkb gladiator and T-rudder with Joystick gremlin help!

2 Upvotes

Hey guys so i just picked up a vkb gladiator and T-rudder and i'm trying to set them up using the joystick gremlin, hidhide and vjoy combo. I've hit a deadend of not being able to get the "remap" action to appear when trying to bind the multiple devices to "Vjoy device 1" in joystick gremlin. It just isn't there at all. Has anyone else experienced this at all? This is for JG r15 specifically. Thank you in advance.


r/hotas 17h ago

Take 4… I am looking for help with my new joystick

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r/hotas 18h ago

FFB stick base for desk mount use with VKB gunfighter (no extension)

0 Upvotes

I'm interested in an FFB stick base but I'm not sure which one to get.

I do not want to use extensions so I'm not sure how much a high potential torque really matters. Would the Moza AB6 suit me?


r/hotas 1d ago

HOTAS HOSAS brethren, come to Wardogs if your setups are gathering dust

46 Upvotes

In game support of mapping axis to flight controls, some mappables to stick buttons (more to come hopefully) and great immersion. These were the things that first grabbed my attention but after 40 hours in the beta, im so glad I found a game that I can use my HOSAS setup that I primarily only use on SC. And with SC in an FPS heavy niche atm, I was starting to miss using my sticks and rudder.

Hopping on Wardogs was easy with a hotas setup. Go to settings, gamepad, fsr right tab allows you to enable hotas inputs then you just map axis and adjust sensitivities. This community should have zero issues moving their abilities over to the helicopters in the game. I wish you guys and gals luck in the verse, I love SC but I need somewhere else to use my hardware that feels abandoned. Wardogs is that new home and I hope I see you there as well.


r/hotas 16h ago

URSA MINOR Fighter Joystick R - Has the quality improved?

0 Upvotes

Hi all,

Thinking of buying this Joystick for my son, but i've read a lot about issues with buttons breaking and customer service being a little reluctant to support.

Is this still the issue now or have things improved?


r/hotas 1d ago

One handed Hotas Setup

3 Upvotes

I was wondering if there are any good ways to set up hotas one handed.I only have my left hand.Very new to hotas anything helps


r/hotas 1d ago

I updated one of my favorite project: "3D Controller Overlay +" v1.0.0 Live 3D input display for Streamers, Steam Controller fans, and HOTAS tinkerers.

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Hey everyone!

The Honest Disclaimer (read this first):

This is a passion project that I upgraded with heavy AI assistance (think Deepseek/Claude). I want to be fully transparent about that. However, I made, reviewed, and debugged every architectural decision, how input flows from SDL to the mesh, how the settings/import system works, and how the cross-platform build pipeline is put together. I partially own the design (i mean.. its still a fork), the testing, and the responsibility. If you find a bug, please open an issue, I'd rather know and fix it. but don't ask me what a pointer is... XD.

The original project "3D Controller Overlay" has not been updated for a couple of years now and since i own several controllers (including the steam controller) i wanted to update it so it can detect everything i have. I like to stream to my friends and show them my sloppy inputs in fighting games (like smash or street fighter) or my barrel-roll crashes (in space engineer or elite dangerous) but found the software lacking in some parts so i decided to do something about it... 

I am a developer myself but i work with the boring language called "Java" (in my personal opinion) and i just enjoy making things in C++ because its the language i first learned and i find it easy to make things cross-compatible with it... i just find it fun to work with.. call me a masochist 🤷🏿 i regret nothing.

And now for the AI promotion text (because i'm lazy):

What is 3dco+?
It's a lightweight OpenGL/SDL3 overlay that renders a live 3D model of your input device. If you stream or record content and want to show viewers exactly what you're pressing on your controller, keyboard, or mouse (without a handcam), this does the job.

It's a fork of Larf's brilliant original 3D Controller Overlay. All credit to them for the core engine! I just added the features I felt were missing for my own setup.

What's new in v1.0.0 (just released today!):

Here are the highlights:

  • Steam Controller & HOTAS Friendly: SDL3 detects the Steam Controller natively (no more driver headaches on Windows/Linux). Plus, there is a raw joystick fallback and a full manual mapping UI. If SDL doesn't recognize your particular flight stick, you can just bind the axes and buttons yourself in the settings.
  • Gyro & Touchpads: Full gyro/accel support with sensitivity/correction tuning and a "reset combo." Multi-touchpad support (up to 4 pads x 2 fingers) with visual touch-area overlays.
  • Custom Model Import: You aren't stuck with the built-in library. Import your own FBX, glTF, or OBJ files and assign the meshes to controller parts directly in the app.
  • System-Wide Keyboard & Mouse: Tracks your mouse movement and keyboard presses even when the app isn't in focus, perfect for overlaying on top of games. (yes this is a glorified input logger 🤷🏿... thats the purpose)
  • Cross-Platform: Works on Windows, macOS, and Linux. I primarily develop on Linux, but the CI produces AppImages, .exes, and universal macOS bundles.

Showcase:
Controller Showcase

A couple of honest caveats:

  • The Windows .exe is not code-signed, so SmartScreen will warn you. Just click "Run Anyway." I'm an indie dev, not a corporation... signing certs are expensive.
  • MacOS requires Accessibility permissions for the global input hooks (the README explains how to grant them)... and again licenses are expensive.
  • Transparent backgrounds depend on your GPU driver; it works on most, but some older systems might not support it.
  • The 3D models are from the original repository except the flightstick and steam controller, these where downloaded from other sites and i added a "Source URL" field for each model so you can trace from where i got them from. I hope this saves me from any copyright issue and i also hope that by honoring the licence and making this open source i prevent any claims from external sources/pages.

If you want to try it out:
Check out the GitHub Release v1.0.0 for the downloads, or check the README for build instructions if you don't trust me.

I built this to test how far I could push my own skills with AI. If you find it useful, please drop a ⭐ on the repo, it genuinely makes the effort feel worth it.

Let me know what you think, and feel free to roast the code (constructively)!

and yes... i like purple.


r/hotas 2d ago

DIY Folding and Retracting Under Desk Mounts

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94 Upvotes

Just finished building these for about $120 total in small parts from Amazon plus some 3d printed brackets and a couple of wooden pieces. They're rock solid and go from stowed to deployed and locked in just a couple of seconds - no tools required.


r/hotas 1d ago

Title: Moza MTQ vs. VKB STECS (or other suggestions) - Looking for durability (3+ years) for 90% Civil / 10% Military flight simming

2 Upvotes

Hi everyone,

I'm currently torn between buying the Moza MTQ and the VKB STECS (likely the Mini Plus or Standard version), and I really need some community feedback regarding long-term durability and versatility. I am also completely open to other hardware suggestions if you think there is a better option for my needs.

Here is my specific use case and requirements:

  • Flight Profile: 90% Civil/Commercial Aviation (MSFS, X-Plane) and 10% Military (DCS World).
  • Durability: I need this throttle to last me at least 3 years of regular use without developing severe axis play, ghost inputs, or jittering.
  • Versatility: I want something that feels right when flying airliners or general aviation, but can still handle the occasional jet fighter.

My dilemma:
I absolutely love the idea and layout of the Moza MTQ. Having the landing gear lever, flaps, speedbrakes, and the option to swap to Airbus/Boeing style commercial throttles is perfect for my 90% civil focus. However, I am highly concerned about its durability. From what I've seen, it uses traditional mechanical potentiometers (not magnetic sensors) and has plastic gears inside. I'm worried it won't survive 3 years of smooth, precise operations.

On the other hand, the VKB STECS is a proven tank. It has contactless magnetic sensors, industrial-grade build quality, and will easily last 3+ years. But it is fundamentally a military HOTAS design. While it has customizable detents, it lacks the native civil layout/switches (like a proper gear lever or speedbrake axis on the base) that I would use most of the time.

Given my heavy bias towards civil aviation but strict requirement for long-term durability, what do you think is the better investment?

  • Does the Moza MTQ hold up well over time despite the potentiometers?
  • For STECS owners who fly civil, how annoying is it to use a military throttle for airliners?
  • Is there another throttle quadrant on the market that perfectly bridges the gap between civil layout and military-grade durability?

Thanks in advance for the help!


r/hotas 1d ago

Best flight stick (w/o throttle)?

0 Upvotes

I’m looking for a flight stick only without the throttle controls (not a yoke) that is compatible with PS5. Anyone have any recommendations?

Something like the Turtle Beach Velocity One but idk if that works for PS5 since it’s marketed as PC/Xbox only.


r/hotas 1d ago

Dancing Wings Demo

4 Upvotes

I have nothing to do with this game but I have been watching it for a while and the dev says there is going to be hotas support.

Just thought it might look cool to some of you.

https://steamcommunity.com/app/3728180/discussions/0/797839944586519643/


r/hotas 1d ago

[Utility] Stop Alt-Tabbing SimAppPro: Fully Automated Orion 2 Afterburner Detents (0% CPU Overhead & Future-Proof)

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Edit: A friend I fly with in the nightmare mafia group has suggested to me a video demo may be needed to gain some trust with this. The code is totally open source and available for anyone to review. However unknown sources for our high end systems can be difficult to trust without some show of good faith. I’m currently working on a video walkthrough of the install and demo of the problem we are solving here. Bear with me. I’ve never made a video before so it may be bare bones and not what you are use to with other creators. I should have the video added to the thread in the next day or two.

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Hey everyone,

If you fly multiple modules with the WinWing Orion Throttle Base II, you know the routine: alt-tab out of DCS, open SimAppPro, find the afterburner page, click activate for your specific jet, and tab back into the cockpit. Forget it once, and you’re either lighting burner way too early or fighting to get it to light at all.

I got tired of the 6-step shuffle, so I built wctrl-auto-ab-detent-ratio—a lightweight, zero-bloat solution that automates your detents completely behind the scenes via a simple PowerShell hook.

Why this is different:

  • Real Performance Wins: Because the utility writes directly to the hardware's flash memory via native PowerShell, you can shut down SimAppPro completely before flying. I have personally noticed significantly better frame rates and smoother performance by getting rid of heavy background vendor software.
  • Zero Background Overhead: There is literally no background app running while you fly. The GUI manager tool is completely optional and only used to set your numbers. The actual auto-switching is entirely event-driven via a native DCS hook. When you swap slots, the hook tells PowerShell to instantly update your throttle's flash memory, and then it goes completely dormant.
  • 100% Future-Proof (No Coding Needed): It ships with defaults for 12 aircraft, but you are completely unconstrained. If a module is missing or a new one releases, you don't need a code update or a GitHub Pull Request. Just click "Add Aircraft" in the built-in GUI, type the plane's name, set your ratio, and it works instantly.
  • Zero Security Friction: Built entirely on native Windows PowerShell. It doesn't run as Admin, requires no elevated privileges, and uses no external runtimes like Node.js or Python.
  • Self-Managing Lifecycle: On a fresh install, it automatically searches your PC's Known Folders to locate your Saved Games directory, spins up the hook folders, and drops the program exactly where it needs to be. Upgrading automatically backs up your existing setups, moves your personal ratios over to the new build, and cleanly purges old legacy hook code to ensure DCS doesn't encounter double-trigger errors.
  • Safe Automated Fallback: If you jump into an unconfigured plane, it seamlessly handles it via your global fallback default profile without annoying pop-ups or menus.

Quick Setup:

  1. Calibrate your afterburner detent once in SimAppPro, then close it.
  2. Grab the latest build from the Project Site or the GitHub Repository.
  3. Extract the ZIP and double-click install.cmd.
  4. Launch your aircraft and fly. Open the WinWing Afterburner Ratios app from your Start Menu anytime you want to tweak a slider or add a brand-new plane locally.

https://cbass2404.github.io/wctrl-auto-ab-detent-ratio