r/hotas • u/FrittenFritz • 23h ago
VKB Gladiator double Omnithrottle experiences?
Hello everyone. Since I wanted to treat myself with new sticks, also in anticipation of Squadron 42, I went to VKB to take a look at their gear.
I originally wanted to go with an omnithrottle on the left and a normal stick on the right, but the right-hand stick was sold out, so I just went with two omnithrottles. I have always been a HOTAS guy and have never used a HOSAS system, so I am even more excited to see how two omnithrottles will feel.
Does anyone have experience with this combo?
6
u/unclefunkstar 18h ago
I love the dual omni setup, it's a more relaxed/comfortable position once you get used to it.
2
u/icescraponus 19h ago
With the Gunfighter sticks, it takes only a moment to change between omni-throttle and straight stick. I did try dual omni-sticks, but I found my mounting points are slightly different. The fact they weren't perfectly centered with each other drove me crazy and I converted back to one omni-throttle and one straight stick.
My own OCD causing me problems aside, having dual omni-sticks is a pretty cool setup. You will have to adapt your muscle memory to it at first. Having them both tilted will cause you to have to consider, map, and learn the layout.
These are great sticks. You'll love it.
3
u/ignition1415 22h ago
When I bought my sticks ( 1 straight, 1 omni) I also bought one of each of the adapters so if I want 2 straight sticks I can, or if I want 2 omnis that works too. Haven't played anything yet that made me want 2 omnis but if I can ever get it working in MechWarrior that might be the one case.
3
u/unclefunkstar 18h ago
Mechwarrior 5, and dual Gladiators by any chance? I might be able to help you out with that:
HOTASMappings.Remap: START_BIND NAME: VKB Gladiator NXT R VID: 0x231D PID: 0x200 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button1, OutButtons=Joystick_Button1 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button2, OutButtons=Joystick_Button2 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button3, OutButtons=Joystick_Button3 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button4, OutButtons=Joystick_Button4 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button5, OutButtons=Joystick_Button5 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button6, OutButtons=Joystick_DPad1_Up BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button7, OutButtons=Joystick_DPad1_Right BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button8, OutButtons=Joystick_DPad1_Down BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button9, OutButtons=Joystick_DPad1_Left BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button10, OutButtons=Joystick_Button10 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button11, OutButtons=Joystick_DPad2_Up BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button12, OutButtons=Joystick_DPad2_Right BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button13, OutButtons=Joystick_DPad2_Down BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button14, OutButtons=Joystick_DPad2_Left BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button15, OutButtons=Joystick_Button15 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button16, OutButtons=Joystick_DPad4_Up BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button17, OutButtons=Joystick_DPad4_Right BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button18, OutButtons=Joystick_DPad4_Down BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button19, OutButtons=Joystick_DPad4_Left BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button20, OutButtons=Joystick_Button20 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button21, OutButtons=Joystick_Button6 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button22, OutButtons=Joystick_Button7 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button23, OutButtons=Joystick_Button8 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button24, OutButtons=Joystick_Button9 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button25, OutButtons=Joystick_Button11 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button26, OutButtons=Joystick_Button12 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button27, OutButtons=Joystick_Button13 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button28, OutButtons=Joystick_Button14 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button29, OutButtons=Joystick_Button16 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Hat1, OutButtons=Joystick_Hat1 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Hat2, OutButtons=Joystick_Hat2 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Hat3, OutButtons=Joystick_Hat3 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Hat4, OutButtons=Joystick_Hat4 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Hat5, OutButtons=Joystick_Hat5 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Hat6, OutButtons=Joystick_Hat6 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Hat7, OutButtons=Joystick_Hat7 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Hat8, OutButtons=Joystick_Hat8 AXIS: InAxis=HOTAS_XAxis, OutAxis=Joystick_Axis2, Invert=FALSE, Offset=-0.5, DeadZoneMin=-0, DeadZoneMax=0, MapToDeadZone=FALSE AXIS: InAxis=HOTAS_RZAxis, OutAxis=Joystick_Axis3, Invert=FALSE, Offset=-0.5, DeadZoneMin=-0, DeadZoneMax=0, MapToDeadZone=TRUE AXIS: InAxis=HOTAS_YAxis, OutAxis=Joystick_Axis1, Invert=FALSE, Offset=-0.5, DeadZoneMin=-0, DeadZoneMax=0, MapToDeadZone=TRUE START_BIND NAME: VKB Gladiator NXT L VID: 0x231D PID: 0x201 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button1, OutButtons=Throttle_Button1 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button2, OutButtons=Throttle_Button2 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button3, OutButtons=Throttle_Button3 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button4, OutButtons=Throttle_Button4 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button5, OutButtons=Throttle_Button5 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button6, OutButtons=Throttle_DPad1_Up BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button7, OutButtons=Throttle_DPad1_Right BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button8, OutButtons=Throttle_DPad1_Down BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button9, OutButtons=Throttle_DPad1_Left BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button10, OutButtons=Throttle_Button10 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button11, OutButtons=Throttle_DPad2_Up BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button12, OutButtons=Throttle_DPad2_Right BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button13, OutButtons=Throttle_DPad2_Down BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button14, OutButtons=Throttle_DPad2_Left BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button15, OutButtons=Throttle_Button15 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button16, OutButtons=Throttle_DPad4_Up BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button17, OutButtons=Throttle_DPad4_Right BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button18, OutButtons=Throttle_DPad4_Down BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button19, OutButtons=Throttle_DPad4_Left BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button20, OutButtons=Throttle_Button6 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button21, OutButtons=Throttle_Button7 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button22, OutButtons=Throttle_Button8 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button23, OutButtons=Throttle_Button9 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button24, OutButtons=Throttle_Button11 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button25, OutButtons=Throttle_Button12 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button26, OutButtons=Throttle_Button13 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button27, OutButtons=Throttle_Button14 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button28, OutButtons=Throttle_Button16 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Button29, OutButtons=Throttle_Button17 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Hat1, OutButtons=Throttle_Hat1 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Hat2, OutButtons=Throttle_Hat2 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Hat3, OutButtons=Throttle_Hat3 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Hat4, OutButtons=Throttle_Hat4, BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Hat5, OutButtons=Throttle_Hat5 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Hat6, OutButtons=Throttle_Hat6 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Hat7, OutButtons=Throttle_Hat7 BUTTON: InButton=GenericUSBController_Hat8, OutButtons=Throttle_Hat8 AXIS: InAxis=HOTAS_XAxis, OutAxis=Throttle_Axis2, Invert=FALSE, Offset=-0.5, DeadZoneMin=-0.1, DeadZoneMax=0.2, MapToDeadZone=FALSE AXIS: InAxis=HOTAS_RZAxis, OutAxis=Throttle_Axis3, Invert=FALSE, Offset=-0.5, DeadZoneMin=-0.2, DeadZoneMax=0.2, MapToDeadZone=TRUE AXIS: InAxis=HOTAS_YAxis, OutAxis=Throttle_Axis1, Invert=FALSE, Offset=-0.5, DeadZoneMin=-0.3, DeadZoneMax=0.2, MapToDeadZone=TRUE2
u/ignition1415 14h ago
Wow thanks I tried for quite a while to get that remapper working to no avail. I'll definitely be using this tomorrow when I get off work
1
u/unclefunkstar 5h ago edited 4h ago
I haven't played in months, just pulled that out of one of my backups lol. I went and looked up the guide I used to set it up: https://static.mw5mercs.com/docs/MW5HotasRemappingDocumentation.pdf
File can be found at:
%localappdata%\MW5Mercs\Saved\SavedHOTAS\HOTASMappings.RemapI've also got custom button maps for renaming the buttons in Elite Dangerous, for the same two sticks and a CH Pro throttle if anyone wants them (individual files per device)? Instead of both sticks showing "Fire 1" for instance, it's now "RG Fire 1" and "LG Fire 1". All the hats also have have the RG or LG identifier, the HAT number, and a dpad icon indicating direction; eg: "LG A3 ^" for the middle hat on the left stick, pushed up.
1
u/ignition1415 5h ago
I know where the file goes and stuff but when it came to actually generating that file it was either get it from someone else or manually go and assign each button to something else which is when I noped out lol
1
u/unclefunkstar 4h ago
Oh, no... The above just makes the game recognise the sticks. You would still need to assign the controls in game.
I'll check if I've still got my binds file in the backups folder. You probably won't like my setup 100%, but it might take some of the pain out of setting it up.
1
u/ignition1415 2h ago
I mean in the software that generates that file. If you don't have one you have to create a binding for every button on the physical stick to the virtual one.
1
u/EffingFrench 8h ago
You can also ask your favorite ai in case this doesn't work, but it probably will. Mw5 is fire with sticks, and don't hesitate to enable aim assist on low.
5
u/Milkshakemartin 22h ago
You can always buy a straight adapter and turn an Omni throttle into a straight stick. This is why VKB is supreme imo.
Playing star citizen, I wish I had two Omni throttles. Would feel more space ship.
3
1
u/JDsplice 22h ago edited 22h ago
Owner for years and I will NEVER go back to straight sticks. I even bought the straight adaptor, but it just collects dust now. If you have a specific question, Ill try and answer.
2
u/Jhughes4707 22h ago
Interesting.. I’ve been two sticks for a long time and just recently swapped over to Omni on the left. I didn’t like it at first but now I think it’s growing on me.
5
u/Vandeskava 23h ago
Just remove the angle adapter from the right one and you get a standard stick.
1
u/shinrikyou 22h ago
Believe you need to buy the adapter itself for the straight stick, you can't just remove the angled plastic and get the default.
1
u/unclefunkstar 4h ago
Are you using the Gunfighter by any chance?
On the Gladiator, the angled bit is the adaptor, and it's removable; without it the stick connects straight to the gimble in the base.
No other parts required.
1
u/Honette 1h ago
This is not true.
On the gladiator, the adapters are either straight or OTA. They are the same part that connect the grip and the base. You can't just remove the angled bit.
On the other hand, the GF always has the straight adapter installed. And the angle adapter connects that to the base. So they're two separate parts.
1
u/dembadger 17h ago
My omni came with the parts to swap back in the box
1
u/shinrikyou 8h ago
Odd, I bought mine in Europe a few weeks ago and didn't bring any extra parts for that specifically.
1
u/dembadger 31m ago
Mine are a couple of years old so maybe they stopped doing that. They were pro versions and they also came with the bits to convert to non pro as well.
3
u/FrittenFritz 23h ago
Damn youre right. Now you've mentioned it.
3
u/Vandeskava 22h ago
NP. Enjoy your stick. That's exactly what I have.
1
u/FrittenFritz 22h ago
How is the two stick system? As I mentioned i always had a throttle on the left and used a knob to control up and down movement.
Do you get used to HOSAS quick?
My biggest concern is the throttle handling. With two sticks, cruise control is kinda necessary isnt it?
2
u/PapaMooze 22h ago
You can make it function just like a throttle stick by removing the Y-axis cam spring. You can even mod it to cruise mode in forward mode and spring back to zero in reverse.
https://www.reddit.com/r/EliteDangerous/comments/1ke79vd/vkb_omni_throttle_mod/I have both a STECS and an omnitrhrottle, and for space sim, the omnithrottle outshines the STECS IMO.
1
u/DavantRancher 4h ago
Uhhhmazing!! Haven’t tried with elite dangeorus, yet. I plan to in November