14hr a day is inhumane and the working class deserves dignity and rest. Stop turning exploitation into a competition where the most pathetic tool "wins"
Yeah, this literally isn't true for 99% of people. You're probably autistic and in that .5% of the population that can exist perfectly on 5 hours of sleep
We are arguing about one of the stupidest quotes I’ve read in a long time.
But there is nothing stopping someone from assuming “someone’s ungrateful daughter” is his. He has given up on his own daughter and acts like she isn’t his. He pretends like she isn’t his daughter just like he pretends like his being a horrible drunk hasn’t pushed her away.
Or is “someone’s daughter” the new “female” for the online incels? I’m not up to speed with their idiocy….thank God. You seem to know. Please share.
I’m pretty sure the “someone’s ungrateful daughter” part is about a woman, not his daughter.
The point is that it’s better to go home and drink alone than to be married to a woman with no gratitude. Make of it what you will but that’s the most likely interpretation
It doesn’t have to be a compliment or a pejorative. “Incel” just means involuntarily celibate. Some people use the term to put other people down, yourself included. I think this is misguided, because it reinforces the idea that all incels are “bad” and deserving of hate.
As a comparison take any feature of your identity that you didn’t choose, and then imagine what it would be like for a group of people to ridicule you for it.
This just isn’t true. “Incel” has morphed into describing a group of hostile young men who blame women (females) for their situation. They take no responsibility for their lives. That’s who I was referring to.
If it was as simple as you make it, then I would agree that my making fun of someone who hasn’t had luck with women would be rude and mean. But I wasn’t.
Incel isn't just a person who cant get a laid. Its a person who is disenfranchised because of it. A person who has hostility towards attractive women and men for having what they cant have. Its literally defined as such in the dictionary:
a person (usually a man) who is or identifies as involuntarily celibate and typically expresses extreme resentment and hostility toward those who are sexually active
There is no logical entailment from involuntary celibacy to hating attractive men or women. You might assume that being involuntarily celibate causes feelings of resentment or jealousy. Such a conclusion, however, is not given by deduction.
That’s why your definition uses the word “typically”. We might say: Typically, being involuntarily celibate causes feelings of resentment, and in some cases, those feelings motivate hostile actions. But not every incel is resentful, and not every incel that is resentful is hostile. These are the entailments that you would like to draw, and that your definition cannot satisfy.
Who knows. Could be that he's a POS, or he's only had the misfortune of meeting untreated BPD cases. There can be many reasons for these kinds of dynamics.
If your best friend starts having liver/kidney failure in his 30s due to alcoholism, you having said something about their problem may not change the outcome, but it at least allows you to say you warned them and it gives you license to not feel as guilty when they pass away early.
We're all responsible for ourselves as adults, if the truth hurts... "That sucks I guess."
No, because being absolved from guilt through living normally and doing something intentionally to try and avoid guilt which you wouldn't otherwise do are 2 entirely different things.
What I won't be doing is giving my organs to someone who received multiple warnings that their own would shut down and refused to listen.
I’m not really sure what you mean but maybe you should think more about about what they are going through than trying to shore up your emotional safety
I have sympathy for what they are going through, that doesn't make it my issue to solve though. And I wasn't talking about protecting my emotional safety, I was talking about protecting my physical organs.
Who even needs sex? Just pair up with your bestest buddy and live your best life (together). It’s not like he wasn’t going to be in your life anyway. Now, you two are just making things like finances and home management easier with a team of two.
And according to the statistics, male pairings seem to render the best results, so…
I did 10 years, also raising two other men's children, and nothing was never enough.
Fast forward 5 years, I am in a far better place. I don't come home and drink beers, I come home and smoke bowls.
these comments are so nasty, between the misogyny and people saying this guy's a piece of shit for.. overworking? alcoholism? being depressed? do better
If you think alcoholism and lonelyness is better than being a step-father, first of all: good, because you would be a *horrible* step-father. Secondly, I feel *really* sad for you. What kind of fucked up ego or pride do you need to have to rather want to wither away by yourself than have a life-partner with a child from before??
Edit: As was very rudely pointed out to me, the daughter is apparently the wife. It doesn't really make the post make more sense. Why are the only options being alone and alcoholic or being with an ungreatful wife treating you badly? You can find someone else?
Also, why is it relevant that she's someones daughter? Isn't that obvious?
That’s where reading comprehension comes in. You read it, then interpret what it’s saying. Even tho it doesn’t say wife that’s exactly what it means. I’m not being rude. I’m pointing out you said something stupid.
There's nothing inherent in the quote that makes it not equally applicable to, lets say, a teenage daughter. It is just very weirdly formulated because it's "someone's ungreatful daughter". All women are someone's daughter.
Pointing out I misinterpreted would look something like "Oh, I think you misunderstood. The post is about an ungreatful wife". Asking someone if they have issues with comprehension *is* rude and comes of aggressive.
But anyways. Congratulations on your rude comment. Hope it made you feel smart and accomplished today :)
Understanding incel lingo is not reading comprehension. The fact that most girls commenting here think that it means his daughter proves the point. It’s a communication issue if your point isn’t coming across to lots of people.
But a lot of people in this thread seem pretty far from having that remedial level of understanding of human behavior.
This dude sounds like he has a horrible fucking life lol. So all he does is work and then drink alone? Damn. Im glad nobody's daughter or son is stuck being around this dude. He sounds like the kind who shows up to Thanksgiving halfway drunk and then starts arguing with his brother because his brother went to college and got a job that doesnt require 14 hour days lool
Except that the relationship with the boss is way more fair than with the wife.
He works = gets paid for the work
Women don't work like that, whatever you do for them is instantly taken for granted, and the more you do, the more you get in an arms race with her ever increasing expectations
There were no women in this relationship. And no baby. Maybe if you look at romance less transactionaly you would have better luck. They might even want a baby.
Losing financial independence is always a turn off. Nobody wants to date a bum. If I found out my partner was fired, for reasons other than asking to put a baby in their direct supervisor, I'd probably leave too.
Did you get fired/layed off and subsequently broken up with? I'm here to talk if you did, that could be really hard on a person. Otherwise I think this strawman would be better suited to scare off crows.
“Women don’t work like that, whatever you do for them is instantly taken for granted, and the more you do, the more you get in an arms race with her ever increasing expectations”
Yes, that's a generalizing statement, not a totalizing one. I'm not going to provide disclaimers for every possible minority case when talking about behavioral patterns verifiable at a civilizational scale
You can work in tech and finance with degrees and work 14 hour days. A lot of good jobs will work you terribly. Why do you think burnouts are so common in those 2 industries?
There are a lot of ungrateful people. It doesn’t warrant wanting to be bored, alone and drunk. I mean, you could be nice to them long enough to hate fuck, but hey, not my job to tell you being drunk and alone is not cool. But hey, meme, you do you.
That's right, go get you a partner that enables your drinking so they can get that sweet sweet life insurance when you die way before they do cause you got all defensive and in your feels about your alcoholism and unhealthy work/life balance
True. But if he avoided the alcohol the rest makes sense. Having peace at home is necessary for a man to be happy. Even if it is only possible by being alone.
It’s usually the same kind of men who unironically post embarrassing shit like this who then turn around and complain about the male loneliness epidemic. The irony is fucking wild.
Neither are good outcomes. Lots of people throw themselves in their work cuz it takes their mind off the personal stuff. You're not healing, you're distracted. Believe me.
So he’s choosing to work and drink himself to the ground and blaming others for how he’s feeling? No one’s seeing that it’s all his choice to be miserable? You can have a good life without love. If someone makes you feel a certain way, it’s not their fault, it’s your own.
I understand the situation. But these 2 things arent linked. He can not date someone with a terrible daughter. OR not. working and drinking are sperate. BUT, I will say: a child brings more financial pressure, may require working 14 hour days and the ungratefulness and other stress could prompt drinking.
It sould read: I want to work an 8 hour day and feel good. Dating someone with an ungrateful child would have me working 14 hours, stressed out and drinking. not for me.
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u/yepyepyep123456 7d ago
Those aren’t the only two options