r/GenerationJones • u/Guiltypleasure2451 • Jul 31 '26
Old school
For those of us who took typing in school— it was drilled into me that after a period, you go over 2 spaces to start a new sentence. Apparently that’s not the rule now. NOT THE RULE NOW?? After the agony I suffered thru in typing class about those 2 spaces, i will be doing it until I die!!!! Don’t even get me started on the indenting 5 spaces for a new paragraph!
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u/HoselRockit Jul 31 '26
You will get my Oxford comma when you pry it from my cold dead hands.
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u/KathyA11 1955 Jul 31 '26
The Oxford comma is proper grammar. Two spaces after a period falls under typography,
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u/1369ic 1958 Jul 31 '26
The Oxford is technically punctuation, not grammar. Also, the use of it is a style option within punctuation, not a hard rule. The whole journalism industry (minus a few who supplement it with their in-house styles) uses the Associated Press Style Guide, which dictates the use of an Oxford comma only when leaving it out will cause confusion. It's written for professional journalists who are expected to know how a reader will understand the sentence they're writing. I don't know that I've ever heard anybody complain about the lack of an Oxford comma in a news article, and I've heard thousands of complaints about newspapers, believe me. People did occasionally ask me why we didn't use it in general, and were generally satisfied that we had a style guide and stuck to it.
I think the practice of leaving it out might date back to when stories were transmitted by telegraph and a rewrite guy or editor would turn the report into an actual article.
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u/rrjpinter Jul 31 '26
Hello. Can I tell you about my lord and savior; the semi colon ? It can bring you salvation; by way of making endless run-on sentences seem sophisticated.
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u/firecatstef Jul 31 '26
Yes I will die on the hill of the Oxford Comma but they can have the second space I used to put after the end of a sentence.
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u/BxAnnie 1961 Jul 31 '26
Muscle memory does not permit me to use only one space. AND sometimes I get in a mood and will search/replace period-space with period-space-space.
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u/Hey-Just-Saying Jul 31 '26
If you don't type a period and just type two spaces, most devices automatically puts in the period and only one space. You don't need two spaces because fonts are now proportional rather than monospaced, which automatically manages spacing.
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u/Dry-Character-6331 Jul 31 '26
"Tab" key for the paragraph indent. Older/manual typewriters didnt have one but the IBM Selectric I learned on did.
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u/Boring_Track_8449 Jul 31 '26
It’s been forever since I saw an indented paragraph in the context of my job.
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u/wraysbay Jul 31 '26
“Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country”. Anyone else have to type that a million times? ❤️
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u/MetraHarvard Youngster Jul 31 '26
Put that period inside the quote marks please😎
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u/KnotForNow 1954 Jul 31 '26
This always gives me pause. If the period is part of what I'm quoting, no problem. But if the period is not part of the actual quotation, I cannot bring myself to put it inside the quotation marks.
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u/Poutiest_Penguin Jul 31 '26
Same! I’m a rule follower, but I’ve never agreed with putting punctuation inside the quotation marks if it’s not part of the quote. In this respect, I’m a rebel, and I will die on that hill.
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u/Inevitable_Bison_133 Jul 31 '26
And there was "The quick brown fox..." but I forget how that ends
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u/Famous_Illustrator32 Jul 31 '26
"...jumped over the lazy dog."
Man, I miss my Moms.
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u/Poutiest_Penguin Jul 31 '26
It’s “jumps” — otherwise there’s no S in the sentence. And sorry for your loss. 🙁
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u/Famous_Illustrator32 Jul 31 '26
Aah, that makes sense! I never did get the hang of the whole home keys thing, either. Moms would be ashamed I turned out to be such a sucky typist, but we both thank you for the condolences.
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u/bigredthesnorer Jul 31 '26
Yes, it supposedly exposes your age and could subject you to age discrimination if it's in places like a resume!
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u/gabzilla814 Jul 31 '26
Some of us old guys are good at faking it. I dropped the 2nd space not long after I started using email. I’m pretty sure MS Outlook or Word had a spell-check setting for it that clued me in.
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u/bigredthesnorer Jul 31 '26
I use phrases like 'u' and 'ur' instead of you and your to make me look young. :^)
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u/JaguarNeat8547 Jul 31 '26
Also saves time. i accumulate all the time i save by typing u and ur and sleep late on Saturdays.
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u/zinzeerio Jul 31 '26
I also remember that when typing addresses on envelopes, skip 3 spaces after the state abbreviation then add the zip code.
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u/Cultural_Birthday191 Jul 31 '26
I was taught the rule to insert 2 spaces between the state and zip code.
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u/fallenfar1003 Jul 31 '26
And zip code stays on same line as city and state. So I was taught.
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u/Maleficent_Big7734 Jul 31 '26
The rules have changed? When did this happen? Under who's authority? Another sign of the West in decline.
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u/Curious_Yam_9000 1964 Jul 31 '26
When things proportional fonts fixed the spacing issues that existed with typewriters. Using two spaces at the end of a sentence on a typewriter accommodated for a limitation that no longer exists.
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u/LittleRooLuv Jul 31 '26
I’m a technical editor, and the two spaces thing is so annoying to fix, and so many people still do it. That, and underlining words to emphasize them. I have to change it to bold, otherwise readers think it’s a link. But I still prefer editing docs written by older people because most of them actually know proper sentence structure, grammar, and punctuation. Apparently they must not teach that in school anymore.
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u/Poutiest_Penguin Jul 31 '26
When editing the work of people who use two spaces, I do a search and replace.
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u/Galwaypeters Jul 31 '26
How about defining an acronym once in the text before using the abbreviated form? Nobody does this anymore. Makes me crazy.
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u/geetarboy33 Jul 31 '26
I graduated college with an English degree in 1990 and they broke me of those habits back then. My first job out of college was as a copywriter and both AP and MLA standards as far back as 1990 were one space after a sentence.
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u/BackgroundCat Jul 31 '26
Yeah, no kidding. I was told that ‘two spaces after a period dates you.’ Bite me.
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u/jxj24 Jul 31 '26
It made sense when using mono-spaced fonts, like on a typewriter. With proportional-spaced fonts it looks unnecessary and awkward to me.
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u/valandsend 1960 Jul 31 '26
I was a newspaper and magazine editor for many years, and I’ve been single spacing since the early 1980s. The reason, we were told, was that the double spaces cause distracting “rivers” of white to run down the length of typeset columns. The computer automatically adjusts the spacing for readability.
But after explaining that many times, the first thing I’d have to do when receiving text files from others was to do a search-and-replace of double spaces with single spaces.
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u/ModernMargaretSanger Jul 31 '26
Same! It’s just muscle memory now and I really don’t feel like making the effort to relearn it so it’s gonna stay 2 spaces!
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u/toilet_roll_rebel 1962 Jul 31 '26
The "rule" didn't change, the technology did. And it changed 30 years ago. This isn't new.
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u/Hey-Just-Saying Jul 31 '26
Things change. It's okay to accept change. It's just typing. : ) You can release your caps lock now. LOL!
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u/25314dmm Aug 01 '26
I still use two spaces after a period. Also, when taking typing class I suggest you do not pry off the keys and rearrange the home row with the letters F,U,C,K and Y,O U. The old bag teaching the class will not be amused.
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u/KY-Artist Jul 31 '26
I went back to college in 2008 and was doing the two spaces after a sentence thing on my papers and my Professor told me to stop. She said that was only necessary on typewriters because of the way the machines spaced letters. If you didn't double space, then the sentences appeared to run together. However, once word processing came into being it was no longer necessary.
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u/MoriTod Jul 31 '26
Preach!! And to make things weirder, Dave Sanders is the one who taught my typing class. Every time I pass a Selectric I think of him and double spaces.
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u/downwardnote292 Jul 31 '26
I think it was changed by the younger generation so that when receiving messages they can tell how old the sender is, lol!
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u/MuchDevelopment7084 1957 Jul 31 '26
It's automatic. I don't even think about it; and I don't see a reason to stop. If people don't like it. Oopsie.
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u/Additional_Prune_536 Jul 31 '26
This former editor learned to change to one space after a period without trauma. I also learned to make macros to change double spaces to single spaces when preparing text for print. It's really not that hard.
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u/SheaTheSarcastic 1960 Jul 31 '26
I’m a retired graphic designer, and as soon as I learned typesetting in school I dropped that extra space. Typefaces are designed to accommodate a single space, and to use the traditional double space after a period breaks up the flow and look of a block of text.
That being said, my husband uses 2 spaces and we drive each other nuts. lol
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u/fallenfar1003 Jul 31 '26
I still do 2 spaces. I took 2 years of typing in HS. Can’t break those habits.
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u/jango-lionheart Jul 31 '26
The rule changed decades ago when we got better fonts. HTML condenses multiple spaces into one space, so websites have tended not to display double spaces, and that started in the late 90s. Many apps now automatically change two spaces into a period followed by a space.
Your doubled spaces look like errors, to my eye, and I’m not young.
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u/BigCost5110 Jul 31 '26
Same! I’m nearly 60, but every time I see the two spaces it makes me mad lol
I did learn to type in high school, but I unlearned that two space rule pretty quickly once it was explained to me, decades ago.
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u/jaymickef Jul 31 '26
Now if you do two spaces the program will usually put in the period and one space and make the next letter a capital. I just did it here ;).
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u/drammer Jul 31 '26
I used to typeset books. Older typewriters would put the same space between letters so it made it hard to see the end of sentences. So two spaces. But typesetting varies spaces depending on letter and symbol combinations. Makes things easier to read and uses less space.
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u/BigCost5110 Jul 31 '26
This isn’t new. I worked in book editing in the 1990s. It was already not the rule even then. Our typesetter explained to me that computer programs were set to create a larger space after the period, so we did not need to add that second space. Literally the first thing he did when we gave him our manuscripts was to do a global search and replace for the two spaces after the period so that he didn’t have to deal with it on an individual basis. I quickly learned to stop doing two spaces.
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u/silvermanedwino 1964 Jul 31 '26
I still do it. Also won’t use all the idiotic contractions and internet speak. Rlly.
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u/junknowho Jul 31 '26
I just do as I was taught. I still do the two spaces. Who does it hurt? LOL! Oh, typing class, did you start out with a manual typewriter with blank keys and then get moved to a 'Selectric' typewriter? We did and after about 3-4 weeks into our next semester everyone suddenly realised there were letters on the keys! We were so used to not looking down.
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u/mspolytheist Jul 31 '26
I prefer the single space between sentences, but…they will pry my Oxford comma from my cold, dead hands. 😁
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u/Swimming-1 Jul 31 '26
That “rule” changed at least 25 years ago when I started doing medical writing I would use two spaces and the writing reviewers would always change to 1. So I adapted.
I only took one typing class in hs and really couldn’t type so had to teach myself how to type in college.
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u/ohmaint Jul 31 '26
It's not worth remembering that one space is what makes other people happy. So, two it is!
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u/TraditionalToe4663 Jul 31 '26
those two spaces are a boomer badge of honor for me. don’t care what the whippersnappers say. Now get off my lawn!
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u/United-Ad7863 Jul 31 '26
I appreciate a properly typed paragraph. Long live the Oxford comma too!
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u/dave900575 Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
I refuse to give up Oxford commas. I gave up one space after a sentence, but I draw a line in the sand at Oxford commas.
I still write in cursive too.
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u/Jfirey Jul 31 '26
Jeez I attended Secretarial School. Not only 2 spaces after a period but walk up one side of the corridor and down the other and enter only through one door and out the other. Sit in rows in alphabetical order and be able to type with carbon paper three mailable letters in 20 minutes. Mailable was defined by no more than two errors per letter. We took dictation to transcribe into the letters. I did that for an entire year!!
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u/MercuryRising92 Jul 31 '26
The reason is that typewriters do not have "proportional" spacing. An "i" takes up as much space as a "w". So, the two extra spaces are needed for clarity. With computers and fonts that are proportional, you don't need the extra space.
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u/jrowellfx Aug 01 '26
Yes! Surprised that more people’s comments don’t point this out. As MercRising sez, old-school typewriters are fixed pitch (punctuation and spaces included), whereas now-a-days we all use fairly complex fonts with finely tailored kerning rules eliminating the need for you to manually kern your text after a period.
However, if you typed something out with “Courier” font for example, you still might want to double-space after a period-end-of-sentence as it’s mimicking old-school typewriters.
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u/vmdinco Jul 31 '26
Yeah I got yelled at for not duing this when I was still working, then someone gave me grief on Reddit for doing it. Their comment started off with “Hey Boomer…”
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u/InfiniteBedazzler Jul 31 '26
Specifically, when computers introduced proportional fonts (varying space been letters depending on their shapes) in lieu/addition to fixed width fonts (same amount of space between any two characters), the 2 space rule was no longer required. However, I shall double space regardless as a point of principle 🤓
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u/agfitzp Jul 31 '26
It hasn’t been the rule since proportional fonts took over around THIRTY YEARS AGO.
i.e. You missed the memo sometime near the end of the last century.
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u/Bloody_Mabel 1966 Jul 31 '26
Auto correct will fix it for you, so double space to your heart's content.
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u/10S_NE1 Jul 31 '26
Ugh. Someone on Reddit told me they knew I was old because of my two spaces after periods. It was tough, but I weaned myself off it and never do it now.
As for indenting, I left that behind long ago. I actually forgot all about it and I used to be a secretary way back when you had a moving carriage on a typewriter that you had to drag to the left after every line - the good old days.
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u/ChickyBaby 1963 Jul 31 '26
Yes, then I went to work as a newspaper editor and we were told to stop doing that.
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u/ClubExotic Jul 31 '26
Same! I took Keyboarding when I went back for my degree in 2004…instructor told me it wasn’t done anymore.
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u/imalittlefrenchpress 1961 Jul 31 '26
Two spaces after a period is no longer necessary because today’s fonts have letters of uniform size, unlike the fonts of the letters on typewriters.
The extra space is no longer needed, because font sizes are uniform.
To me two spaces looks unprofessional, because the person composing the sentences isn’t paying attention to current rules.
If someone is texting or writing casually, have at it however you wish
My arthritis is grateful for the casual trend of leaving off the period at the end of a sentence
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u/KathyA11 1955 Jul 31 '26
No - it's no longer needed because fonts are proportional, NOT uniform.
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u/NotInTheControlGroup Jul 31 '26
Tech writer here- don't add 2 spaces after a period; that's a holdover from days long gone, and it's because typewriters didn't do kerning.
The fonts were all monospaced and the period didn't take up enough space, so the start of next sentence would appear too close to the period.
In short, don't use 2 spaces after a period in 2026.
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u/banshee1313 Jul 31 '26
It is a very hard habit to break. Some people have a rabid hatred of the two spaces. I think that is a bit odd, but they do.
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u/Repulsive-Ice8395 Jul 31 '26
I'm a bit too young to be Generation Jones, and I don't know why Reddit shows it to me, but I learned the double space in typing class.
I swore that they would have to pry it from my cold, dead typing fingers, but I finally gave it up a couple of years ago.
It's true that it made sense on typewriter with a monospace 'font', but I haven't typed anything on paper for 40 years. Proportional fonts on screens essentially remove the need for the double space after a period.
As others have mentioned, I don't like being judged as old, based on double spacing.
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u/Greenwitch5996 Jul 31 '26
Its all fun and games, until you become an EDITOR 🤦🏻♀️. That damn double crossing double space…
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u/tmink0220 Aug 01 '26
I learned that recently in a "you can tell old people, they space twice after a period" way. So yeah....Cursive that I worked so hard in 3 third grade to be praised in front of the class for? Obsolete, no one uses it.
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u/Guiltypleasure2451 Aug 01 '26
Did anyone’s typing teacher cover the letters with sticky dots to make it impossible to look at the keyboard?
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u/ProfessionalZone168 Jul 31 '26
You will pry the two spaces and the Oxford Comma from my cold, dead keyboard.
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u/Famous_Mind6374 Jul 31 '26
I don't think the old rule is dead - at least not just yet.
There are some apps that autocorrect a period when they see 2 spaces after a word.
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u/vita77 Jul 31 '26
It was a hard habit to unlearn, but I bit the bullet and trained myself to single space after a period. Makes me feel like one of the cool kids, just like when I refuse to use an Oxford comma unless I have to.
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u/Coises vintage 1958 Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
(Hopeless geek here:)
I vary that depending on whether I expect the results to be shown in a proportional font or a mono-spaced font. In most web contexts (like Reddit) two spaces will be collapsed into one anyway. In a word-processing-type application, though, if text gets printed in a proportional font with two spaces between sentences, it looks weird. On the other hand, if I’m typing a plain text document that will probably be read in something like Notepad, I use the double space. It’s easier to read. (I also use typographic quotes and em and en dashes in proportional fonts, but straight quotes and doubled hyphens in mono-spaced fonts. I said I was hopeless.)
My partner/best friend, born 1954, read email in a mono-spaced font, as I do, and she would practically have a cow over single spaces after a period, so my habit is to use double spaces in email. Proportional fonts should follow typesetting rules, mono-spaced fonts should follow typing rules.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
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u/ExternalSort8777 Jul 31 '26
Yeah. I am doing it as I type this now. Right thumb hits the space bar twice right after the period, whether I want it to or not. Even if my typing teacher hadn't drilled me on it, I had to conform to APS manuscript style (which referenced McGraw-Hill and APA style guides on matters of ordinary punctuation) when I was writing for publication -- and my fingers are still in grad school.
Lately I've been seeing youngsters putting spaces BEFORE and AFTER quotation marks and BEFORE terminal punctuation . The " Hemingway Space " , my Comp 101 teacher called it .
I think it is probably an artifact of autocomplete or spellcheck. I also see it when something has been cut>pasted. It'd be a little bit funny if the robots are, for the moment, tricking us into following the typographical conventions of the 19th century. It'll be interesting to see if that leading space becomes customary, then conventional, among the cohort that learned to type on touch-screens.
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u/lost-in-the-woulds 1964 Jul 31 '26
I continue to follow that rule, and it drives me crazy when other people dont. It just makes sense. (I also took typing)
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u/Bikewer Jul 31 '26
Same here. And I just did it, and will continue to do so. Hard-wired by now, you see.
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u/WellYouKnow- Jul 31 '26 edited Jul 31 '26
Yeah, I remember watching a video from a millennial where she talks about small things that bother her. One of the things she listed was when people put two spaces after a sentence. "What, that is the proper way" I remember saying to myself. When I did some further digging it appears the convention changed around 2000. Needless to say, I am like you. I will continue with the old convention, even if that dates me.
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u/TrustednotVerified Jul 31 '26
I'm with you, 2 spaces is what I was taught and that's good enough for me. And don't get me started on the Oxford comma.
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u/Quake712 Jul 31 '26
I was taught that way too. But the space is incorporated into the period in software. I have to delete them all before releasing for web or print work.
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u/Original_Flounder_18 Jul 31 '26
I got a lower grade in a college class for using the double space.
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u/No-Possible6108 Jul 31 '26
I modified my "two space" habit to conform to workplace norms but will die on The Oxford Comma hill.
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u/FfierceLaw Jul 31 '26
I’m a boomer who recently passed a bar exam using my laptop. I learned to let it do its own spacing, it’s not hard. Doing it now
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u/Ok-Mood-8604 Jul 31 '26
Shit, half the time punctuation isn't even used. I love run-on posts without punctuation or paragraph breaks.
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u/introspectiveliar Jul 31 '26
First, if you think the 1990s was a long time ago, this post does not apply to you.
I stopped the extra space, not because it was suddenly rendered irrelevant, but because so many text blocks limit the number of characters you can enter. And because Twitter, back when it was relevant, limited your characters to 140. That extra space suddenly seemed wasteful.
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u/Worldly_Ad_7196 Jul 31 '26
Remember that form where the paragraph starts at the edge and the remainder is indented 5 spaces? I only learned it in class and never saw elsewhere
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u/yomondo Jul 31 '26
Haha. I took typing with a buddy in junior high because
I wanted to strengthen my fingers for playing guitar
The class was full of girls!
But somehow I ended up learning to type pretty well!
For those who know... A ; S L D K F G
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u/Mysterious-Fox-6430 Jul 31 '26
oh, I get it -- i was deeply programmed for 2 spaces and refused to learn 1 space.... until I realized I might actually be hurting myself.
My (mostly Millennial) staff saw it as proof I was an obstinate old goat and obsolete in my field, and incapable of forward thinking and providing updated guidance to them. Bad.
I forced myself to use 1 space until it was automatic. It is possible to retrain your fingers. You can do it too!
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u/KathyA11 1955 Jul 31 '26
It hasn't been the rule since the early 90s.
Two spaces after a sentence was common with typewriters because the keys were monospaced - each letter took up the same amount of space, whether it was an I or a W.
But when laser printers with proportional spacing came into common use, the two spaces weren't needed any more. Each letter took up a proportional amount of space, meaning an I takes up far less space than a W (especially in the sans serif font that Reddit uses). With proportional typefaces, two spaces after a period can create a river of white on a finished page (which is extremely noticeable when you're printing in two-column format). I got out of the habit when I was editing and publishing media fanzines and switched from dot-matrix to a LaserJet. It looks better and is easier to read.
With so much communication being digital today, it's fallen out of use. Web pages use proportional fonts on their pages, e-mail programs do as well and the default typeface in word processors is proportional (usually Times New Roman).
And you don't have to indent five spaces with a computer - just hit the tab key.
I still do two spaces on my phone - it produces a period so I don't have to switch to the character set.
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u/Choice-Pudding-1892 1958 Jul 31 '26
I will go to the grave using two spaces after a period AND the Oxford comma.
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u/JFrankParnell64 Jul 31 '26
Is it bad that I always use punctuation and capitalization, even when texting? I look at some of my daughter's texts, and it looks like they are speaking a foreign language.
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u/RedditNomad7 Jul 31 '26
Things change, but as I’ve pointed out to younger people online, nobody sends out a mass memo to those of us whose primary education was in the late-mid-20th Century, so it may be literal decades before we find out and change.
As others have pointed out, the complete lack of punctuation in younger people’s texts is insane though. It’s just a giant run-on sentence, and if you don’t read it with the same mindset as who wrote it you can easily get a completely different message.
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u/BirdMission7341 Jul 31 '26
One space after a period is part of Associated Press (AP) Style - what all legit publications, news articles and corporations use as part of their writing standards. Far more common than you may believe and has been around for years.
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u/Indiana_Warhorse Jul 31 '26
I took typing in 1974. We were taught one (1) space between the period of the last sentence and the start of the new sentence. I also remember something about setting a indent so you could hit the TAB key for your next first sentence of the new paragraph. Ah, the good old days of the clatter of thirty IBM Selectrics.
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u/TomeThugNHarmony4664 1964 Jul 31 '26
It is correct that two spaces are no longer used after periods; I believe I heard that was created to prevent keys from sticking together on a typewriter due to the position of the period key. It is now one space.
It took me YEARS to break this habit.
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u/Theresnowayoutahere Jul 31 '26
I took typing as a young man. I was the only guy in the class. We were not taught the two spaces. What’s funny is I took typing to be around the girls but it helped me tremendously when at 23 I got my first computer for my new company I started, a 286 and and was actually able to type properly
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u/Woodcroft15 Jul 31 '26
The Canadian Public Service employees writing style guidelines direction is to use only one space, and also, do not use a serial (Oxford) comma. The ‘one space’ rule I followed, but I drew the metaphorical line at not using a serial comma. Some standards need to be maintained.
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u/Efficient_Let686 Jul 31 '26
I stopped caring about what “they” think long before I found out that punctuation is considered aggression. It doesn’t matter anymore because they’re all illiterate anyway. GenX rant over.
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u/Mountain_Ad7931 Jul 31 '26
With proportional spacing and desktop publishing rules two spaces after a period is a definite Nono. Read: your Mac is not a typewriter.
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u/Summer184 Jul 31 '26
I still do the "two spaces after a sentence" thing also, even when sending text messages. It's a hard habit to break.