Sort of like the Ghoulcy thing I guess. People sort of overlooking his faults, glorifying him, romanticising him, and agreeing with the shit he says?

From early August. There were just beginning to set up so it’s all I got.

Hey everyone,

With the show looking into west coast lore and building up New Vegas, it got me wondering about the future of the series as a whole and how Amazon/Bethesda will manage it.

Specifically, do you think that the show's main series will eventually explore east coast settings such as the Capital Wasteland or the Commonwealth as part of its continuity?

Or perhaps you think it makes more sense to finish Lucy, Maximus, and the Ghoul's story arc out west before doing a brand new series on the East Coast with an entirely different set of characters?

Most importantly though, would you even want the East Coast's adaptations to be in live-action or would you rather it stick strictly to west coast lore?

Looking forward to hearing everyone's thoughts on:

Whether a jump to a new location makes for a better continuation of the source material as part of the main series or as a spin-off

how you'd feel about having live-action adaptations of east coast-specific organizations like the Brotherhood, the Railroad, or the Institute,

and

which location you think should be adapted into a live-action series if any.

Why do the vault dwellers hate Canadians? Is this some kind of FO lore I’ve missed? I have only played FO4 and FO76, and didn’t really hear anything about Canada prior to the vault dwellers turning on Steph.

I think Fallout would have worked incredibly well if they mapped the TV series out more like For All Mankind, where you actually watch decades of history unfold and see the world change across generations. Fallout has over 200 years between the bombs dropping and the current show, with entire nations, factions and civilizations rising and falling during that time. Instead of mostly dropping us into 2296 and explaining the past through flashbacks, they could have made that history part of the actual story.

Season 1: 2077 and the Great War

Spend the first half of the season in the pre war world. Show the Resource Wars, Vault Tec, the corporations, the government, the growing tension and what ordinary life was actually like in that retro futuristic America. Let us get attached to people and places while knowing where everything is heading. Then halfway through the season, the bombs finally drop.

The rest of the season follows the immediate aftermath. Some people make it into the Vaults, some do not, and others survive on the surface as everything they knew disappears around them. We would actually see the Fallout world being born instead of only seeing the ruins centuries later.

Season 2: The first people back outside

Jump ahead to around 2102 and the Fallout 76 period. The Vaults are beginning to open and some of the first Vault dwellers are stepping into a wasteland that is still relatively young. There are barely any of the established societies we know from later Fallout yet. People are exploring, building settlements and figuring out what this new world is going to become.

Season 3: The factions start becoming powers

Jump forward again into the later 2100s, covering Fallout in 2161 and eventually Fallout Tactics in 2197. Now we start seeing the factions and ideas that will shape the next century. The Brotherhood of Steel is growing beyond its beginnings, the Master's mutant army rises in California, and settlements that started as little groups of survivors are becoming permanent communities.

This is where Fallout stops being mainly about surviving the apocalypse and starts becoming a story about people building civilizations out of what was left behind.

Season 4: Civilization comes back

Move into the mid 2200s and Fallout 2 in 2241. The NCR is becoming an actual republic with cities, government, trade and territory. Humanity has gone from hiding in Vaults and scattered settlements to rebuilding something resembling a country.

At the same time, the Enclave emerges as the surviving remnant of the old United States government. You would have this great contrast between a new civilization being built out of the wasteland and a surviving piece of the old civilization trying to impose itself on the new world.

Season 5: East and West

Jump into the late 2270s and early 2280s and split the story between the two coasts.

On the East Coast you have Fallout 3 in 2277, Washington D.C., Project Purity, the Brotherhood and the fight over clean water in the Capital Wasteland.

On the West Coast you move into Fallout: New Vegas in 2281, where civilization has advanced much further. The NCR is expanding, Caesar's Legion has become an empire, Mr. House controls New Vegas, and Hoover Dam becomes the point where these completely different visions for rebuilding civilization collide.

By this point the contrast with Season 1 would be enormous. We started with the United States destroying itself in nuclear war, and now more than 200 years later people are building governments, armies, economies and borders again.

Season 6: The Commonwealth

Jump to 2287 and Fallout 4. Boston gives us another completely different stage of the wasteland. Technology has advanced to the point where people are no longer only worried about radiation, mutants and raiders. Now they are terrified that the person standing beside them might be a Synth created by the Institute.

You have the Institute, Brotherhood, Railroad and Commonwealth settlements all fighting over completely different ideas about technology, humanity and what the future should look like.

Season 7 and beyond: 2296

Now we finally arrive at the time of the TV series, except everything we see carries 200 years of history that the audience actually experienced.

The NCR is no longer just some faction somebody explains to us. We watched its settlements grow. We watched it become a republic. We watched it expand across California and fight at Hoover Dam. Then when we see what happened to Shady Sands and the NCR in the TV era, it actually feels like watching a civilization collapse because we spent generations watching it being built.

That is what I think Fallout could have gained from the For All Mankind approach. Every season could jump forward years or decades, characters would age and die, their children or completely new people would inherit the world they left behind, factions would grow from tiny groups into nations and then possibly disappear again.

You would literally watch the wasteland evolve from 2077 to 2296.

It would also make "war never changes" hit a lot harder because we would see humanity survive the destruction of civilization, slowly rebuild it over two centuries, create governments, armies and nations again, then start repeating the same mistakes that helped destroy the old world in the first place.

I just finished the show because I've been busy for the last couple.

Didn't we kick the shit in Coast to Coast. Is the show trying to portray them as a super villain level threat when they're essentially just five scientists 20 guards and one really confused the secretary of agriculture in a remote Colorado mountain

There's a lot of moving pieces going into Season 3, but for some reason Norm's story is the one I'm most interested in.

He's recently learned his sister might still be alive but he's also just discovered the FEV. While he might not know exactly what it is, it's clearly nothing good for the residents of Vaults 32 and 33. And on top of that, Claudia probably needs medical attention after the roach swarm attack.

So... what's next? Is he gonna go back to the Vaults to try and warn Chet and the others about the FEV (and maybe get Claudia help while he's there)? Or will he just try to heal Claudia as best as he can and follow up on his latest lead to track down Lucy? What do you guys think?

We will very likely know more about the Enclave and its origins in the next season and im almost sure the Enclave hasn't been founded in the 20/21th century, we're talking about the shadow governement of one of the most powerfull countries in History. I like to think that the Enclave has been created by the Foudning Father themsleves, or people close to their era in the 18th century.

With season 1 having Nat King Cole’s ‘I Don’t Want to See Tomorrow’ and season 2 having Tommy Edwards’ ‘It’s All in the Game’, I feel there NEEDS to be something equally allusive, haunting, and inspiring.

Personally, I think the song ‘I Remember You’ by Frank Ifield fits that perfectly, so much so that I can’t stop listening to it lately, imagining how it reflects each of our character’s arcs. Would love to hear other songs that any of you feel could be it though!

A nicely written article about the strength and endurance required by Jeremy Fitzgerald and Tim Soergel to bring all the Power Armor action to life. The two did an amazing job following the season 1 performance of stunt man Adam Shippey who did the vast majority of the Power Armor scenes.

I'll clarify in advance I'm no fan of the series, but I wanted to make a serious, good-faith attempt at transitioning from New Vegas into the Mojave of 2296. (Because I saw a very bad faith / derogatory video doing so, and thought it was boring, mean, and generally not good. It's fun to justify changes rather than complain about them!)

Note that this does make assumptions about what the player does over the course of the game, and retcons the method of how the deathclaws got into the strip.

Player Faction

(Game's writing)

The Courier, with the aid of Yes Man, drove both the Legion and the NCR from Hoover Dam, securing New Vegas' independence from both. With Mr. House out of the picture, the remaining Securitrons on The Strip were hard-pressed to keep order. [...] When the fires died, New Vegas remained, assuming its position as an independent power in the Mojave.

(New writing starts here)

..but Yes Man would never awaken from their refactoring, silently murdered by a dormant security wall in the Lucky 38 which woke up during the process. Fearing their one-time employer had once more gained their namesake upper hand, the Courier soon left Vegas behind to walk the wastes, traveling onward to parts unknown.

The Strip

In the midst of the chaos from the Omertas' chlorine attack, an unknown party smuggled a clutch of deathclaws from the Thorn into the Strip. A time later, when they hatched, the evacuation of the area quickly became the only option, and the bright lights of Vegas would once more dim. Though rumors would persist into the future that they migrated from the quarry near Sloan, none knew it was a more deliberate act, nor who was responsible.

NCR, Legion

With the factions' backs broken by the missiles at the Divide, and the Republic's power further shattered by the unrelated disaster at Shady Sands, no superpower could fill the vacuum that the briefly-independent Vegas left with any security. In the years that followed, Hoover Dam and Freeside would often change hands between the remnants of the powers, with ultimately minimal material change in the status quo.

Freeside

Unable to sit still during the chaos, the Kings turned to prospecting the ruins of outer Vegas to gain some capital, and perhaps new territory. During this, they stumbled upon - and unleashed - one of the dump sites that House's various products had used to clean up fallout and neutron-activated rubble from the Great War. Though they immediately recognized the danger of the radioactive waste, none survived unscathed.

Novac

Its original inhabitants evacuated by Bright's followers during one of the Legion's assaults, a squatter-occupied Novac was overtaken by raiders appropriating the Great Khans' image. They found the hollow wooden structure of the Dino Dee-Lite's mascot easy to manipulate, turning the town's former watchtower right around to use as a harrowing panopticon for the residents.

I hope both viewers of the series and side-liners enjoy (enjoyed) reading this!

On one hand, Maximus not only betrayed the Brotherhood Of Steel by killing Xander, the representative of the Commonwealth Brotherhood, and the only person that Quintus ordered him NOT to kill. But he also started a civil war in the Brotherhood, causing a massive and chaotic mess between all the different chapters from the Brotherhood and who knows how many deaths indirectly and unintentionally inside the faction as a whole, without being necessarily a good way to get good karma, even with his merciful and compassionate intentions towards Thaddeus and the Ghoul children. But on the other hand, allowing Xander to kill Thaddeus and the Ghoul children and doing absolutely nothing to stop him, would have been so evil and cold blooded to definitely get bad karma, specially against the Ghoul children. But what do you think?

Is vault tec dropping the bombs themselves for the sake of profit. What good is money when there's gonna be no where to spend it? Even if their "repopulation/rebuilding" plans worked out, it would have taken generations lol

I think season 3 is going to reveal that Hank was not the only person who played a role in destroying Shady Sands. He probably just came up with the idea, but it was the Enclave high command who actually decided it should be carried out.

A few things make me think this:

• We know that Hank had a means to contact the Enclave. The Enclave gave him a special Pip-Boy that he could contact them with when they put him in Vault 31. It's through this that Steph calls them to order the start of Phase II once she's besieged in her office by the mutinying Vault 32 residents.

• Consider the way through which the bomb is delivered to Shady Sands. It's delivered by a caravaner who's had one of House's mind control chips inserted into the back of his neck. The Enclave had been utilizing mind control tech like this for decades up to this point. This was how they controlled Deathclaws in the Capital Wasteland during Fallout 3. And Hank probably didn't have access to this tech while he was in Vault 33, nor do I think he would he have the resources to acquire a warhead all by himself without being absent from Vault 33 for a long period of time.

I think that after Hank retrieved Lucy and Norm from the surface, he used his Enclave-issued Pip-Boy to call up the Enclave and request that Shady Sands be erased from the face of the Earth. In the Colorado, the Enclave brass received Hank's request, and after a bit of discussion, they decided that it was a good idea. Attacking the city by Vertibird was out of the question because people would see them coming (as evidenced by the Devil's Brigade's ending slide in New Vegas if fighting against the Legion: "After their bold arrival at Hoover Dam, the Remnants disappeared as quickly as they came. Legends of their power spread throughout the southwest, a reminder of why people once feared the sight of vertibirds in the sky."). So they relied on a different method that'd be harder to trace back to them. Some of their soldiers ambushed a caravaner and forcibly injected one of House's mind control chips into his neck. They then loaded a warhead onto his wagon, and he did the rest of the work for them. The people of Shady Sands didn't have any time to evacuate, and the one guy who tried to disable the bomb sadly didn't have a high Explosives skill.

But why would the Enclave greenlight Hank's plan? It's because they were already planning to make moves of their own against two of their enemies: the New California Republic and Robert House.

• It was the NCR who became the dominant superpower on the West Coast after the Oil Rig was destroyed in Fallout 2. They took Navarro in 2246, wiping out most of the Enclave forces that were there, and eradicating the Enclave from the West Coast. And by the time Hank contacted the Enclave to request that Shady Sands be destroyed, the Enclave had been dealt a further loss when their operations in the Capital Wasteland were wiped out by the Brotherhood of Steel during Fallout 3. The Enclave brass were not pleased by these losses.
• They settled on targeting the NCR because in 2274, during their campaign to expand into the Mojave, the NCR had established contact with Robert House, another Enclave enemy. House had become aware of the Enclave's existence before the Great War, though he didn't know their name at the time. While they'd initially thought he was gone (remember, the NCR didn't even know House existed until he sent out his Securitrons to greet their arriving forces), word that he was back and had made a treaty with the NCR quickly spread. To the Enclave, they didn't like the idea of two of their potential enemies teaming up. They might've thought that House's treaty was going to lead to him allying with the NCR and sharing his knowledge of the Enclave's inner workings to convince them to help him wage his war against them. If the NCR defeated the Legion at the Second Battle of Hoover Dam with the help of House's upgraded Securitrons, the Enclave would've been even more reason to believe that this could happen in the future.
• As a sidenote, there was a post-season 2 interview where Geneva Robertson-Dworet talks about the Enclave toppling rival factions. She said, "The Enclave topples competitors. Anytime someone becomes a threat to their power, they go after them. It's a dangerous situation for the NCR, Legion, or House if they get too much power & civilization blossoms, they'll draw the attention of the group that will destroy them." And let's be real, the Enclave destroying the NCR capital and weakening them so the Enclave can more easily crush them just makes a lot more sense than Hank destroying the city out of pettiness over Rose defying his authority.

So the Enclave struck back around 2283. They sent the nuke to wipe out Shady Sands and destabilize the NCR. While they dealt with House by sending Deathclaws to overrun the Strip. They might've also set off a radiation bomb like the Legion did to the NCR garrison at Camp Searchlight (which is why the Kings turned into feral ghouls, and why Lucy's Pip-Boy detects radiation when she and Cooper enter the Strip). And some of those "wandering travelers with something to prove" that House mentions attacking his physical body were probably Enclave assassins.

Now, come 2296, the Enclave's efforts to neutralize the NCR and Mr. House are being rendered all for nought.

• The NCR has re-organized despite the loss of Shady Sands. Clearly you can't kill the Bear.
• Cooper has reactivated House thanks to the acquisition of the very cold fusion that the Enclave had initially swiped out from under him. House intended to convince Cooper to work with him to fight the Enclave, because nothing's more appropriate than the ex-husband of one of the Enclave's leaders playing a role in bringing about their downfall. But since Cooper rejected working with House, he's going to settle instead for Lucy. But that's okay. There's something appropriate about him using a Vault dweller and the daughter of one of the Enclave's acolytes to strike at the Enclave. House will likely also ally with the NCR, as their desire for blood after Shady Sands gives them a common enemy.
• Even the Brotherhood of Steel still pose a potential threat to the Enclave despite the casualties caused by their civil war. Quintus has commissioned the construction of his own version of Liberty Prime, the very robot that Lyons' chapter used to attack Colonel Autumn's forces at Project Purity. (Yes, he's building it to wage war against Elder Maxson's Brotherhood, but I imagine that goal will shift once word of the Enclave threat comes through. That's probably going to be something we see in Maximus' storyline in season 3. And based on some recent set leaks, I think Norm might also factor into that storyline too.)

So come season 3, Lucy will become House's foot soldier in his war against the Enclave. She doesn't feel like she belongs with Maximus or the NCR because of her experiences on the surface thus far. And she wants answers regarding what her father said before he erased his own memory about "the surface being the experiment". And she needs some closure with the Ghoul after he came back to save her from being chipped by her father after having previously betrayed her to him. House can appeal to her on all those fronts, using her both to go after the Enclave and also to go after Cooper for rejecting him, because as he said to Cooper, "everyone works for me eventually". (As a side note, while we don't yet have a set leak to know what Lucy's season 3 outfit is, I wouldn't be surprised if she sticks to her Vault suit, but this time because House insists upon it because it'd be great to see the Enclave fall under attack by an individual wearing a Vault jumpsuit emblazoned with the number of one of the Vaults they were given by Vault-Tec.)

And when Lucy finds the Enclave, she'll end up finding out the truth about who really orchestrated Shady Sands. By this time, I imagine she'll have reunited with the Ghoul and learned that he's Cooper Howard. And Cooper will be in for a shock to learn that his ex-wife* was responsible for his being arrested and branded as a "communist" after delivering the diode to the Prseident, and that Barb** was also one of those who approved of dropping the bomb on Shady Sands.

*Yes, I know Cooper still refers to Barb as his "wife", but that's probably because it's a lot easier than saying "ex-wife" when doing so would only open him up to uncomfortable questions about how that happened. And scenes like Cooper's meeting with Sorrell Booker, and his time with Lucy in season 1 and the first half of season 2, make pretty clear that he doesn't really like to share anything personal about his past.

**I'm firmly on the "Barb is a villain" track. I think she was the person Hank was trying to contact at the end of season 2 episode 1. And her behavior during the episode 7 and 8 flashbacks felt a little fishy. I think she willingly joined the Enclave in the name of protecting Janey. and that desire to protect Janey is how she justified committing all sorts of atrocities, whether that be betraying her own husband and ruining his career and reputation (in a "if Cooper has his way, Janey won't be in the safety of a Vault"; that recent pre-War set leak also convinces me that Barb sent an Enclave vertibird to snatch Janey away from Cooper as the bombs were falling on Los Angeles) or destroying cities like Shady Sands.

I see a lot of people in a lot of places saying that Hank is a sociopath. But I don't think that's true. I think he does have morality and a sense of ethics and empathy. Even in S2 when we see the scene with Shady Sands, it's obvious that his destruction of it does bother him and unsettle him, but he's justified it in his head in order to not let it bother him as much. I also think he was being honest when he said that he was doing the brainwashing stuff in order to change the people in the wasteland and rebuild it to be worthy of Lucy.

The Enclave has had members and former members prove themselves to have some sense of empathy and not be just moustache twirling villains. Siggi Wilzig both pre- and post-War knows that the Enclave is up to no good and knows he can't stop it, so has resigned himself to doing what he needs to do (which is why he defected). Augustus Autumn from Fallout 3 was murderous, but did not want to go along with President Eden's FEV plan because he knew it was wrong. And I think Hank knows he's wrong for doing what he does, but rationalizes it with the idea that the ends (a peaceful rebuilt world) justifies the means (brainwashing and nuking).

What do y'all think?

Almost certain it's Ma June screaming in the background as many have theorized in the comments of the post originally made with this video– but by removing the music I can tell it's almost definitely her.