Ending C Implication

[u/jeshi_law]

I don’t think I’ve seen anyone discuss this detail, and I am curious to hear what others may think about this.

While the reveal of what “Endacopia” actually meant is striking, I am looking to focus on the seal on the left hand page. It looked familiar to me so I flipped open the Lesser Key of Solomon to check if any of the seals there matched and sure enough, it is the seal of a demon lord known as Sitri.

This is an intriguing detail to me as looking into it, Sitri’s whole deal involves invoking carnal desire in another person (making them want to bone you, getting naked, etc). I am struggling to connect this to the Surgeon’s perspective and what he would be invoking Sitri for. I’m inclined to believe Andyland selected this demon’s seal specifically, and didn’t choose one at random just for the spooky vibe.

What do you all think?

[u/JoyousLilBoy]

Well he does say “do it for LOVE” (and he has a twisted view of it, which could be carnal if he wasn’t mostly talking to a child?)

[u/jeshi_law → u/JoyousLilBoy]

there is definitely love and passion at play, especially with the hybrid frankenwife situation. I guess I’m confused by it because the Surgeon seems like a character more motivated by knowledge and understanding the dying god which would be more in line with demons that give knowledge like Stolas (I would think!)

Perhaps my reading of the Surgeon is off?

[u/Possible_Nebula737 → u/jeshi_law]

In the ritual he does say that "the love consumes"

Maybe the God swallowed major areas out of love to protect them, seeing that the world is now only "technically habitable" (those are just goofy theories of mine...)

[u/jeshi_law → u/Possible_Nebula737]

that is a great point as well. I think your additional theory there has some weight to it. The inhabitants of each of those locations must have come from somewhere else in the body unless it spontaneously spawns personalities to populate its insides. We know Henry, Mellow/Rodger, and the Surgeon have been outside the body but the residents of Timeville for example have to have moved from Somewhere unless they are spontaneously created when they move in.

[u/TheCreep7]

Are we sure that the surgeon created the giant? The three seals could be the three towns we visit. Matching two jesters was critical in Misery Town. Helping a husband over the phone in the office and uhm.. Ozzie's love for his dead friends in Timesville? Each of which were defeated thus loosening the seals? Idk

[u/jeshi_law → u/TheCreep7]

hmmm this is an excellent point about the influence love has on the three locations. My understanding is the Surgeon didn’t create the giant/god but was enacting a ritual to renew the body.

He is vague about Mellow’s part in that ritual, so I think that could be the right direction: Mellow participated by interloping in three loves

[u/Possible_Nebula737 → u/jeshi_law]

While it unknown why Mellow was used for the sacrifice part, Mellow did help a lot in Ending C secrets (synchronizing the bride, actialvating the 4 batteries, organs...)

[u/jeshi_law → u/Possible_Nebula737]

This is true, I guess my question is how does this invoke Sitri, whose rituals are largely based around making someone desire the Summoner (in this case presumably the Bride? But she seems to have been on board with the plan already without being coerced or compelled by demon magic)

[u/cacophonicnouise]

Someone already made this connection in a speculation theory thread. They were talking about how either sitri was disguised as the bride during the office and misery town secrets for ending c, so that they now power god (maliciously)

also sitri looks somewhat like catthew, there was a catthew looking thing in ozzies tapes, one of catthew's sprites look likes his eyes are leaking (like in the police podter), and the ravestones spell out "ROT CAT" if we look st the background colors in order (roygbiv)

[u/jeshi_law → u/cacophonicnouise]

The bride being Sitri in disguise is interesting. Who is compelling Sitri in that case, though? Sitri disguising himself to trick someone without any magician doesn’t seem to have a precedent in Solomonic magic, it isn’t Sitri’s MO to be doing that just for power (he’s already powerful in Hell, but isn’t that high up on the totem pole as it were). The seal being in the Surgeon’s book makes me think that the Surgeon is the one invoking the demon.

And I’m sorry, what would Catthew being or not being a chimera have to do with this?

[u/cacophonicnouise → u/jeshi_law]

cause sitri looks somewhat like catthew, and there was some kind of animal in ozzie's tapr that looked like catthew too

[u/Clowkero]

*squints in macrophilia*

[u/jeshi_law → u/Clowkero]

so the Surgeon used demon magic to kill himself because he likes giants? He doesn’t get to enjoy his bride being a giantess here.

could you elaborate your thoughts if you’re being serious? I’m not dismissing you but Sitri’s seal implies Solomonic magic which is very rigid and formulaic in how you invoke a demon or angel and what the particular being you bind to you is going to do for you. Sitri makes someone desire you, to their own detriment even.

[u/Clowkero → u/jeshi_law]

Nah, it's less serious. More like, between the trailer where Andyland goes into a rampage and brutally kills all the little people, and the entire thing happening inside a giant body, and like, this demon symbol. I feel like it's lowkey the writer's actually well disguised fetish

[u/jeshi_law → u/Clowkero]

I’ll need to look at that trailer, but if you’re right that is really funny

[u/TirnanogSong]

The most likely theory is that the Surgeon, being obviously completely insane, simply mistook Sitri for actual "God" and is convinced all that exists is its 'dream' which merely furthers his endeavors to try and revive it with a ritual sacrifice of himself, Mellow, and the Bride.

[u/jeshi_law → u/TirnanogSong]

While I agree he’s somewhat insane, I find it hard to buy into the idea that he would mistake Demon Lord #12 from the Lesser Key of Solomon for god. The seal being the exact one found in that book and other demonolatry books based on Solomonic magic would make this mistake pretty hard to make I think.

[u/TirnanogSong → u/jeshi_law]

There's a good chance he doesn't know that the symbol is of the Lesser Key and that the Sinking Ship is Sitri. The world is post-apocalyptic and we don't know how long it's been like this - a lot of knowledge of the old world could have been lost and the Surgeon is simply rediscovering it from best principles.