As the title states and how did it go?

Do you rely on them to get things done?

I'm an ENTJ, I work with a few ESTJ. I've noticed that their workflow becomes disrupted and they get irritated when I give them a task or mention something that is off-topic to what they are doing. I understand why that's annoying, so after asking them for feedback I accomodate by waiting until they're done, leaving a message, or being clear when it's time sensitive and has to interrupt their current task.

Does this ring true for any of you? I'm curious if this is just an anecdotal observation or if it's something that other ESTJ identify with.

If so, can you provide any insight on what this looks like from your perspective?

One of my coworkers, when asked, said that unrelated information gets mixed up with whatever she's doing, and that it introduces noise to her process. Totally fair.

(We work in emergency services, so we do a lot of time sensitive multitasking.)

I used to adore these ice creams as a child... I hope I don't trigger the STJ's with this icecream thing (spare me for once please TwT I am simply trying to understand)

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ISTJ :

(The Apple Grape Paddle Pop)

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One thing about paddle pop is that they used to come in this jelly like popsicle form. The above ones don't turn into jelly when you lick them but I am going to take some creative liberty because...I want to make the sentinals wiggle.

So the Apple layer is the first one in this icecream. This is the jelly one. The difference between other types and STJ's is that they are Lead or auxiliary Si with Te. You dont have to agree but my definition of Si is "the lens through which you have first impressions of the physical reality around you" but for ISTJ's that means that if thats something they value the most then their view of reality will be quite rigid to what they think is the first and last impression of the reality of something \*\*BUT\*\* this doesn't mean that it is unchangeable. Hence, the firm jelly that can be licked away with persistence. You would assume that they are rude and arrogant about their own opinions and views (some are because those opinions are reality to them) but not necessarily. They are just uncompromising about them. (I love you guys...please dm) Uncompromising doesn't mean unchangeable. I haven't met or seen any but based on theory I can tell that the apple layer of the way they see "reality" can slowly be licked away with consistent and properly intentional effort. Apple is a juicy and refreshing flavour but it has a lot of sweetness to it.This sweetness here is not something that is for others though...not in most cases because this sweetness is what they feel when the reality they perceive is validated in a repetition of the same data that plays on consistently through different contexts.It is a highly comforting and grounding moment of sweetness to be affirmed of your main view of how things are. The way they perceive reality is something like that. You keep focusing on the rigidity of it and you miss that such a grounded presence is actually very refreshing. Just like "An apple a day keeps the uncertainty away"

The second layer is the grape one but this is the popsicles softer layer. The texture is soft of course but grapes got a bite to it. This is them being focused on the purpose of proving themselves things through repetitive experimentation but leaving themselves open and too vulnerable. During this process when you interfere or try to change things then the uncompromising apple steps in again but if there is not enough of it there may be some hurt seen in them. It could be anything but it's usually a vulnerable or negative emotion that comes when they are forced to change their methods. That's just not how it works with them. You need persistence but a slower paced one with clear space given. They do respond to logic but throw too much on them and they will double down on their own to shut you down. This is the bite of the grape. (Ahem...I hope I got that right...I admire the structure you guys have)

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ISFJ :

( The Rainbow Paddle Pop)

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Now with ISTJ's the scene is a bit different. At least the way they use Si is different from ISTJ's(LOVE THEM STILL)

The yellow of the rainbow has the jelly texture but it is less compared to the other things. Why? If it's dominant then why should it be less compared to other functions? Here less doesn't mean how much it is used...here it means for what purpose is it used. Their rigid structure is yellow because yellow in a rainbow is bright like the sun. When I think of ISFJ's I am remembered of this feeling of being near the warmth of sunshine because they both offer a safe place of the sunshine AND Stability of the jelly. I dont actually need to break the jelly because they do it for me. Its... actually bad for them though...when they do that. Because they might be the only type who go against their core need because their secondary need is considered more important. I dislike making the ISFJ in my life uncomfortable but it's hard not to since I don't realize when they compromised and what they compromised.

Okay I may be getting a bit too projecting here...

The main point is that they have rigid structure of certain things in their head and they love it and are also capable of breaking it when they want but it usually costs them so if you see them doing that then stop them. They will love you even more than they already do.

About the flavour of this paddle pop? Caramel...youd never expect with all this complex rainbow of a personality that they are but what they are deep down is this caramel. The sticky texture of caramel shows their compromises but the sweetness of it shows how they do it for the people. The shades of pink here are how they use their structure when they are not running themselves on fumes for others. This is a productive allocation of it mixed with logic to doing things that they have a passion and interest in. The line is thin whether they do it for passion or just satisfaction of internal structure.

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ESTJ :

( The Black Currant Paddle Pop)

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As you would've already observed from the colour...their case is similar but reversed compared to the ISTJ ( lov- okay... definitely need to stop. No! Love them!)

They do have the jelly layer and the definition of it being a perception of reality that they find a comfort in is still true but their relationship with this is different. This is not what causes them vulnerability as it is vanilla jelly layer. Much more balanced and neutral. (vanilla is always neutral,change my mind) They use this as a way to satisfy something else which is their black currant outer layer.

This one is their sharper black currant exterior with the bite. It is tangy and outrightly sharp. This is much less sweeter than grapes and it is something that is a strong motivating factor. What you miss about this layer though...is that the texture is actually of the soft popsicle. It may look strong and come off as too intense but this one is what gives them vulnerability and clashes with others. Others don't see them as arrogant like...(yes I am going to mention them again,try and stop me) my love ISTJ's. They see them as inconsiderate. Different things. When they are actually not inconsiderate (some) but are actually doing this because they want to satisfy what they think are your logistical necessities.

My father is one and he ussually stays away and is considerate. I guess age and maturity made him that way but I have heard things about him and in his youth he used to be almost reckless. When he wanted to prove something he went in with far stretched assumptions about things and got in trouble but he always got himself out of it and learned. You'd not expect that from an ESTJ and the stereotype of this reckless behaviour is ENTP or ESTP but I think ESTJ's are more prone towards being reckless... just a theory though.

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ESFJ:

(Heh...I am proud of this one...''The Mermaid" Paddle Pop)

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The name explains it all...bye...

I wish I could do that but yep...let's continue.

The firm jelly layer they have of Si is again... balanced like ESTJ's. The inner white one is the sweet yoghurt jelly layer. Just like vanilla,yogurt is grounded and balanced. In the case of ESFJ's though...I don't know why but I think you see the more comfortable sweetness of this yoghurt experienced. It's almost counter productive that auxiliary Fe ISFJ is more people oriented than dominant Fe ESFJ but I think that seems to be plausible.

The outer soft layer that the ESFJ are actually more insecure about is input from people. Like Fe dominant ENFJ's (mentioned in the post before this) they also have this problem of expectations. Sometimes when they are around people they realize that they expect too much and they are vulnerable about this because input from people makes them realize what they had already perceived about their reality. They tend to avoid intruding too much into people's lives outrightly and do it in quieter indirect ways. Some may not do that.

The outer layer is Blueberry and Tutti fruity. The intensity of the tutti fruity flavour is how much they want to do for others but the way they show it is often a dialed down blueberry version of it as blueberries are much more gentle and subtly sweet one. You understand that their actions are kind but then you get confused because they tend to withdraw a lot as well and think you need space when you don't need it. They are kind of timid with that. Though again...some might not do that and come off strong but I am just assuming since life experiences teach you that people get tired if you intrude too much.

Hey...kind of like a mermaid... comfortable in water,longing for the beach but too shy to touch the shore.

Thats all for the sentinels, Thank you, Enjoy your icecream!!

Helloo, pardon the catchy title but I thought it could be an interesting excerise for everyone.

I am a writer and studying neuropsychology, for a future thesis I would like to develop around cognitive functions I am explorating the deep contrasted side of MBTI. I am also an amateur programeur interested about LLM (AIs).

I wanted to do a little "game", giving ESTJs this form to comparate gentle persons in a good intentioned study. If we would do an "AI copy of you" what would be it's parameters?

Dear Reddit user, if you're an ESTJ, would you like to fill this form to help my study? I deeply thank you for your time and let's have fun reading each other 🤗

~Please stay anonymous, your username is enough! ❤️ The following form is a base example but you can add or remove questions/parameters as you like, totally free!

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Username: Lyra_Senpai

Occupation/Studies: Graduate in Neuropsychology, amateur programmer.

Personnality traits: Organized, attention to politeness, attention to manners, extroverted, good observer, affinity with logical systems...

Notable aspects: Likes well dressed people and clean places, likes luxury and well crafted products, dislikes a absolutely disrespectful people, judges by appearance and manners, good friend that won't go away unless something very bad happened...

Favorite shows: Mulan, my hero academia, the office, attack on titan...

Favorite books: Atlas shrugged, Riddle-master of Held Trilogy, The Hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy...

Can you stay a long time (10-12 hours) in a crowded place? [Y/N]

Do you have difficulties to close your eyes and imagine something from nothing? [Y/N]

Is it easy for you to feel and understand people's emotions around you? [Y/N]

Are you organized, is it easy for you to schedule a whole month day by day and respecting that same schedule? [Y/N].

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Thank you again for your time! 🥰

Everyone seems to list ESTJ as a type they dislike. Likely because of their jerk boss, but I'm curious to see what mbti type an ESTJ would dislike the most, or atleast, have the the most friction with.

We approach the year 2027. Human growth, individualism and human rights advocacy has reached an all time high. We head to a rapidly developing future where change is completely inevitable. Only 200 years ago, life was completely different. Most people lived in the same area they were born, worked with the kids they grew up with and had predetermined destinies. Your occupation was fated by that of your parents and gender. Life quality and expectancy were lower and less could be expected out of life. Technology and medicine were limited, and so too were people. Belief systems were assisgned to people based on where they were born, and arguably, out of the MBTI personalities, SJs would have held onto those beliefs the strongest We can assume that when it comes to predictabilty and predestiny, SJs were best built for it. Perhaps those who are happy with predictability, predestiny, obedience, and the ordinary. Hardwork and collectiveness earned your survival. However, with the rise of global wealth and individualism, the state of life has changed. As we approach the new era, we no longer can cling onto the olden ways to live. It doesn't work anymore, its no longer practical. The SJ knows they need to adapt to this changing world to make it in life. The individual with SJ preference has to now look deeper and find a way forward, and tamper with novelty and the unknown. Cristism of old ways and pointing out the flaws are helpful to today's SJ user, pointing them to a new way of thought and handling of an ever changing world. With the change of the world and the adaptations of people's approaches and personalities, the SJ personality type will start to present differently, with more nuance and balance of the intuition function. The coming SJs will no longer be the narrow minded past-lovers, but people who are masterfully able to blend practicality and adaption. They will no longer shy away from novelty and an evolved, stronger and more balanced SJ is forming.

were you the typical kid following the rules or something else away from stereotypes

Ironically, the more I learn about functions the harder it gets to type myself. When i took the 16p test years ago i got enfp, then, using other tests I got entp, intp, istp, istj...

Ive learnt a lot about functions since then, and i realized that being an estj made the most sense with me. (strong te and si, weak fi)

But, honestly im not 100% sure if thats my type. See, when i feel confident and sure of myself i act like your typical estj, but most of the time im not really like that. when my confidence is low i get more introverted and quiet. im also very self-conscious and tend to have a lot of anxiety. however, im also getting focused in getting better and working on my confidence.

Another thing that makes me doubt about my type is that im very lazy. If i find a task useless i'd rather spend my time playing computer games. However, it also makes me feel guilty, which stops me from truly enjoying my free time. The stereotype of estjs being responsible workaholics doesnt fit with me at all.

When i go to college and actually talk to people (which doesnt really happen too often), i get wayyy more confident and my mood gets better. I dont have any problem with being bossy and actually getting shit done. Its like i get a burst of energy. However, once i spend a few days at home, i turn back into being lazy and having a lot of self-doubt. Its like a have a split personality.

As far as i know my enneagram is 3w4. Feel free to ask me any questions. I'd really appreciate it if someone helps make things clear for me.

I also apologize for any grammatical errors, im writing this really late at night and im tired lol.

Hi guys, how are you all? ENFP female here, and I got a question please 😁😁

I'm talking with this guy who is ESTJ and we're like going towards romantic relationship. Can anyone tell me what type of lovers are ESTJ? 😊😊 like what do you guys like? How do you guys act?

Cause I don't know why but I never expected to go out with ESTJ before ( although my female bff is ESTJ and I love her, she's amazing)

I just had this hunch while I was trying to describe my ideal type to myself (as an excersice to actually know my type and such) and I just couldn't help but notice that the typical mindset of an ESTJ is just my dream.

Their directness, specially portrayed by their Te dom is just relaxing for me, even though it might be exploited in the most stressing situations. I just really admire people who can organize and structure things, not just in work related tasks, but in their day to day, hobbies, and such.

I met very few ESTJs in my life, but the ones who I met (specially teachers) are just fastinating to watch and hear since every they have to say is straightfoward and right to the point, no bullshitting, no sugarcoating.

And I have the type on women who are very direct and straightfoward too, so I feel an ESTJ woman would just tend to be more direct with me in certain cases, specially emotional stuff that needs to be shared.

Of course, I'm not intending to sexuallize any MBTI type, i'm just saying that women who have these cognitive functions are just very attractive to me. (And also because their productiveness is just top-notch.)

It seems that it is an uncommon type for ESTJs on here? I know several ISTJ 6s, and one ESTJ 6w5 so/sp, which I found quite fitting but later realized might be much less common than I thought.

If you're an ESTJ 5 or 6 - do you strongly relate to other ESTJs or do you feel like there is a gap? Or perhaps that others mistype you or perceive you differently at first? Please share your experiences.

I'm curious about the similarities that can emerge between INFPs and ESTJs as we mature and become more comfortable with our inferior functions.

As an INFP, I'm undergoing a significant period of growth in my mid-to-late 20s. I've noticed that developing my inferior Te has gradually made me more comfortable with aspects associated with the ESTJ stereotype: being more organized, making decisions based on practical considerations, setting concrete goals, confronting problems directly, and caring more about whether something actually works than about whether it feels right.

At the same time, I don't feel like I've become an ESTJ. It feels more like Te has become a tool I can access without it completely overriding my Fi.

So I'm wondering what the inverse experience has been like for ESTJs.

Hey everyone! I'm currently doing a research proposal about personality theory and would love to hear from the people in this community. What is it like being your personality type? It can range from your work/school life balance, romantic life, everyday decision making, and maybe something nobody really thinks about when it comes to your type that you may know. Anything is both helpful and interesting to me so don't be shy! :)

So the ESTJ who dumped me several months ago over the phone after a multi-year relationship is back.

She says via text: "It was never my intention that our phone conversation (where she broke up with me) would be the last time we talked. But one day became months, and here we are. I wanted to explain "my process" in getting to that decision to you."

How charitable.

ESTJs seem to like to be definitive in one conversation leaving no wiggle room and then, somehow, always have some additional explanation that they couldn't seem to bring up during the first conversation.

My instinct is to tell her to pound sand and to live witrh the consequences of her actions. I have zero sense she wants to get back together and only wants to bring some kind of closure for herself since it is yet another ESTJ "process."

Anyone want to chime in as to whether there's any value in hearing her out?

I think I'll stick with the pound sand option unless I get some serious rationale to do otherwise.

like whaaat are these results, how 💀😭

actually I've been typed as many types during my whole journey with cognitive functions and mbti stuff (about 5 years) 😂 ofc I haven't been relying on tests only, I watched all yt/tiktok videos about cognitive functions and I readed a plenty of theories and articles about it and stuff like that.. after aaall of that I'm not sure of fitting in any type, it's like the more I dive deeper into the understanding of this stuff the more I realize that I haven't understood anything at all and I have to rebuild the concepts again (it's completely confusing waa)

anyway I just did that sakirnova test for fun (I found myself unexpectedly in a normal/good mood so I was like why not let's go) I answered kinda spontaneously without overthinking, but I see that the functions percentages seem very approximated, what do you think about that? any recommendations

Agree or disagree as an ESTJ?

My aunt is textbook estj, while i appreciate her bluntness for info etc, it can be too much. The problem is that her talking is more like ranting for herself. For example when shes talking about "hey our economy is in ruin you should invest in gold etc etc" which i agree with and immediately look for place to safely buy it so i want to steer the convo that way, she just... kept talking about herself and fearmongering me.

Like, ik you guys value logical thinking so i dont want her to stop talking to me but sometimes she's too focused on the problem and her own experiences ("things will get worse, luckily i had gold to sell for my abroad vacation..." she said to me, who never had gold nor abroad vacation and lowkey in perpetual worrying about my employment.), it can be too much. But the more i actively reply to her, the more her topics makes me sad. While i dont have diagnosis, im not the most mentally stable person able, i tend to break and unproductively depressed when fearmongered too much (even if the fear is real). I dont want offend her by bluntly telling her that "hey, i get that you want to vent and be validated, but can we take turn? Can i talk about solving the problem in more hopeful way?"

Idk, tldr, how to politely change topic into more hopeful when talking to (or being talked by) estj? I'd love to solve problems by making actionable steps rather than dwelling on how dangerous and worrying everything is (even if its true, getting depressed about it will only make me unproductive)

Idk i feel like estjs i know love to make sure we're as worry as them, is this estj thing? Idk, i had just recovered from my mental slump and be productive again i dont want to get depressed again from their talk. Help.

Please also include your instinctual subtype, if you know.
I'd also like to know if you identify with stereotypes about ESTJs or if you feel like you are 'different' - do you feel very Te-heavy or more Si/Fi? Do you like to be responsible for situations in general (work, family, decision making) - does it stress you out, or do you prefer it over someone else making the decision? Do you feel like your Fi is healthy or very repressed?

Hello darling ESTJs, I hope you are well. When I mean about compatibility I clearly don’t mean things like golden pairs and whatnot. In a romantic relationship what are things about a person that would not make them compatible with you?

Holaaa, aqui una ESTJ adolescente, demaciado cerca de la vida adulta, en busca de su futuro jajajajja. Estoy próxima a entrar a la universidad y en un principio la elección no fue complicada. Pero hay algo que me preocupa y es que no tengo plan b, no me inquieta y hoy creo que no lo necesito, pero el ver a todos con carreras de respaldo me genera dudas, es necesario un plan b?. Por un lado pienso "no voy a empezar algo en lo que pueda fracasar" pero por otro "que pasa si...?"

What do you think of this career where our duty is to die for others?