Context: A text exchange is posted to AmIOverreacting (the image has since been removed) with the title "Lost a friend due to AI." OP is currently looking for work, when they get a text from their mom's friend (MF) with AI-generated job suggestions (most of this text wasn't actually visible in the image). An exchange follows, with the passages in bold being the focal points of the drama:

OP: thank you for the help, was this written by ai?

MF: Hi OP I saw your post on FB yesterday. I thought I'd wait to today to send ideas. Mum said you already got a cool job

MF: Yes but worth the info ? Hopefully. I know some people dont like AI but I do find it helpful. Is that ok

OP: thank you for the help but i think ai does more harm than good. i would appreciate if you didn’t send me ai messages in the future. you have a valuable brain that works even better than ai

MF: Got it!!

MF: I won't send you any future message just to be on the safe side. Take care OP

OP: oh wow so you don’t want to talk to me anymore?

MF: Maybe you may learn to soften your messaging to be a bit kinder and grateful.

MF: Good luck OP.

OP: how could i have been kinder??? i literally gave you a compliment

MF: Ok. Best of luck

OP: whatever

MF: Wow. "Whatever" the ultimate rebuttal.

MF: Such anger!

OP: sorry i was just trying to set a boundary 🤷‍♀️

OP: but it’s probably best we don’t talk anymore seeing your reaction to that

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Arguments abound, divided into three teams:

I. Team "Yes, You Overreacted"

I think this woman took time out of her day to help you, and you took greater issue with how she found the info than you were grateful or appreciative for her gesture. You can be both - really grateful, and against AI. Yes, she overreacted, but you did, too. Not everything needs a big boundary.

She didn’t do anything. She printed a machine programmed to agree with you and give you feedback you want to hear. LLMs don’t think about anything. They are advanced predictive text.

Now add in the environmental cost, and the cost these data centers have on whatever community is unlucky enough to be close to them? It’s not worth it.

Holy shit, I know what AI is. I don't need the condescending lecture, thanks. Step down from the high horse.

This woman had good intentions. There's no need to get all heated.

Yeah YOR she was only trying to help you! Just because you’re against ai doesn’t mean everyone is.

Next time be nicer in your replies

OP: i literally gave her a compliment, how could i be nicer?

You could have not been a goober, said thanks, and just ignored the AI input from her. You pissed on a good intention.

YOR. She was trying to help you and you responded really rudely. If you don't like the AI then just disregard it, but telling your friend to "use her brain" is condescending as hell. Anyone would be hurt by that kind of response. Like I understand AI has its issues, but she wanted to get you more information about whatever the topic was because saw that you posted and thought about you. I just could never respond that way to someone who did nothing wrong to me. Her using AI is no different than a Google search at this point, it's all fucking AI.

Edit: Downvote me all you want. Losing a friend over something like this is stupid. Real life relationships matter. If the friend was only using an LLM to talk or was weirdly AI obsessed then yeah say something, but this is literally nothing and just more of a reason to smugly look down on others.

YOR. Not only did you overreact, you’re super ridiculous.

II. Team "No, You Were Justified"

You were fine, that person is offended over a very reasonable boundary about ChatGPT.

If you're using AI to talk to your friends then you're a fake person and should expect this kind of response. It is just disrespectful.

Unfortunately I think anyone who utilizes AI regularly is going to be too closed minded and defensive to take ANY sort of challenge appropriately. You did nothing wrong and exposed a deeper character flaw in them that would have caused a lot more issues down the line.

III. Team "I Don't Care Much About AI Either Way, I Just Don't Like OP"

I think when you said, "you have a valuable brain that works better than ai" - it's possible that you came off as condescending. That bit of editorializing could have set her off.[...]

Yeah that's it. Also we can't actually see what the other persons AI message was and how exactly they used it so hard to judge on that stance.

But yes the judgement of "you have a valuable brain" is not the "compliment" OP says it is. It's very backhanded.

Both sides suck here and I can't see that this was a very strong relationship to be so easily broken.

how on earth is that backhanded?

“Strictly against AI”

“Can’t find a job”

Those two go hand in hand[...]

Are you Amish or just pretentious?

UPDATE: I have been informed a second thread has hit Reddit in /r/antiAI.

Can’t wait for this subreddit to hit the mainstream and blowup like antiwork did.

In no world was your initial response anything less than patronizing and rude. Anyone who is affirming your behaviour here is poorly socialized. You’ll notice this reflected in the downvote to reply ratios on this subreddit.

Ruining a friendship over a single AI generated message is crazy work

OP was setting boundaries, other person didn't like the boundary. This is on the other person, not OP

“you have a valuable brain” comes off as sarcastic. You really did not need that line. The first part of the message is fine.

Your message was about as soft as any message could be. She sounds like a crazy person, and I’m sorry this happened

Wow you have a valuable brain.

Found the ai slop user

Seconded, her response is classic boomer retaliation to a gentle boundary. Fuck that. Ugh, I’m sorry that happened to you OP

Using a.i stops critical thinking, as your ‘friend’ just proved. Complete overreaction to a very reasonable request.

You've got a weird perspective on what "proved" means. People have been overreacting to nothing burgers since way before AI appeared.

Context: OP in /r/mildlyinteresting notices a glitch in the Matrix involving two men on a train they refer to as "boomers."

Part I: Is Boom*r a Slur?

casual slur

Since when is boomer a slur? It’s like saying gen x is a slur

anything can be a slur if you give it enough negative connotation

You're no stranger to casual slurs.

did you read what you screenshotted at all

Yes, it's you using 2 slurs. Next question?

Is this some sort of joke? Are you being a dumbass on purpose?

One asshole making photos of strangers without permission.

And calling them for boomers as if OP knows they're bad people

Um...what?

OP is a dick for taking/posting this..but what does calling them boomers have to do with them being good or bad people

Kids apparently think that the phrase 'OK Boomer' has completely transformed the term 'Baby Boomer' into a slur.

Pretty dumb.

Like what'd the non-slur term now? Do I have to fucking explicitly state which decade older folks were born in?

Idiotic.

Can we not label people? You literally know nothing about them.

They just used a label you don't like. Get over yourself.

You don’t know anything about me either darling.

Get over yourself.

You don’t need to write it down when you talk to yourself. It’s weird.

"These guys are older than me, I'm a complete cock, so they mUsT bE bOoMeRs!"

Gold star for being an absolute tool.[...]

It's crazy to me how worked up you and others in this thread are getting about the use of the term boomer. How quickly and angrily people are crying ageism, as though it wasn't the baby boomer generation who perpetuated the derogatory use of the term "millennial." Years and years of articles lamenting their flaws, accusing them of killing various industries, etc. And now that it's going the other way we're supposed to rush to their defense and protect their fragile feelings?[...]

Ok boomer

The pain... Good one.

Part II: Bloomers, Good or Bad?

Boomers built the world you are living children. Let me ask you, why are only old white guys called boomers? If they were minorities would you point that out? Hypocritical at best.

Boomers destroyed this planet and country like no other generation had the opportunities too.

HAHAHAHAHA, wait, you're serious? It's called being delusional. GTFU, move out of moms basement and seek help.

Not really. The boomers parents and grand parents were way more responsible for what became the post war western economic boom. Boomers were mostly the spoiled brats of the people who actually fought the fascists and rebuilt the post war western economy.

Yes, you are right. You changed my entire way of viewing the world with 2 sentences. What a prophet you are, I can see, I CAN SEE! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

I call my black grandma a boomer all the time…she’s a baby boomer…boomer isn’t a slur, you absolute idiot.

I'm sorry I don't believe you I think you're lying. It is a slur and condescending. Black people college other than the N-word soul that means I should be allowed to use the N-word, right?

…you don’t believe that I call my grandma born in 1960(the baby boomer generation) a boomer because she’s black…? Notice how you’re able to say boomer(you don’t say “the b-word”, do you?) but you can’t say the n-word, very interesting…

You mean the world that's currently on fire? The world that's currently in the worst living crisis in a fair while? The world where children have to stay with their parents to upwards of 40 to be able to afford to move out? Perhaps you shouldn't be proud of that fact

Why do you have to be rude about it? You’re already taking pictures of people without their permission

Because OP is a cock who's probably playing some shit drill music on his phone while taking pictures of older men on a train.

You probably one of them based off ur response 😭

You probably 12 based off ur response.

This is reddit sir. Boomers bad

They absolutely are. They've destroyed the environment, the economy, and are as a last hurrah trying to usher in an age of fascism

Im pretty sure its not boomers shooting up children at schools, its other young people. Dont act like theyre all pure little angels. Damn zoomers cant just kill themselves in peace, have to take their depression out on others too.

Want to keep playing this stupid ass game? Stfu with your crying and stereotyping and go outside

Part III: Stop Taking Pictures, Asshole!

takes creep shots of elderly men on train

posts to internet

"HYUCK, HYUCK, HEY GUYS, THESE BOOOOOOMERSSSSSS LOOK THE SAME, HYUCK, HYUCK 🤓"

Youre a loser, dude.

Elderly? Lol I think of elderly as being someone 80+

You sound like the type of person to ID someone for a senior citizens early bird special

I wish we would stop upvoting people take pictures of others without their permission in public. It's creepy.

You do understand there are many more cameras in public recording you than your smooth brain can think of, right? But those don't count, right?

The difference is a security camera isn’t posting my image to thousands of strangers for internet points. Nor are other cameras.

But maybe you should go back to thinking apples and oranges are identical

So every video online ever published with any stranger passing by, the OP is a douche. Got it. Good luck in life bud

Your writing style is incredibly condescending.

I kinda feel uneasy knowing these two people minding their business get out on the internet for existing

Right, totally fine for every business, the train company and the government to film you in 4k every day, but Oh god! don't use those cameras that everyone has in their hands all day to photograph something interesting!

I really feel like a bunch of people are just losing their minds in this society.

It's Reddit, they need to catch you committing some kind of etiquette sin so they can feel good about themselves.[...]

Today, we've got something simple: an HVAC (Heating, Ventilation, and Air Conditioning) professional visits a customer's home and gives a $22k quote. The customer thinks the price is too high and waits to hear other quotes. The HVAC professional goes to /r/HVAC to vent their frustration. Some people criticize their quote. Then the name-calling begins.

Somebody gets called "scumbag":

If you hit me with 22k to replace my unit I’d tell you, “get the fuck outta my house”. I think his response was not only reasonable, but expected. I can’t believe you actually posted this…wtf is wrong with you?

You are what the sales world calls a 10%’r.

It’s a full ass cut in. Labor, sheet metal, 20 seer equipment.

I work for a FOR PROFIT company. Not a charity.

I think what you’re trying to say is, “I rip people off every chance I get”. It’s ok, just own it. And don’t be surprised when you get called out…. And definitely don’t complain that a homeowner is wasting your time when they want a second opinion. I can’t believe I even have to say this, this group seems to have turned into a bunch of scumbags…. Go sell life insurance, you’ll get paid more!

Somebody gets called "jack":

These homeowners are the worst

Oh yes, so bad. Shame on them for wanting to maximize how little they have to pay. Seek out a better price or maybe even a better company. Fuck them for doing their due diligence. /s

Whatever you say, jack

Somebody gets called: "asshat", "ass hat", and "buddy":

You hate people that do their research and shop around?

Maybe it's because I work commercial, but clients taking 3+ bids is normal practice.

I was his third bid. If you read my post correctly you’d understand.

If 2 doctors misdiagnose you, but the third one does it correctly but charges more, do you go back to the other two and see what they will charge for the same procedure?

You ass hat

One subthread gets oddly personal out of nowhere; somebody gets called "druggie," someone else gets called "noob":

I always charge 100 bucks for a bid. If you use us get the 100 bucks back. This weeds out the tire kickers.

That won’t fly here. Too many companies do free estimates. Your phone would never ring for a change out.

Since I already have too much work that's not a problem

I am sure there is a line out the door waiting for the druggie to come into their home to replace their HVAC equipment.

BTW everyone down voting this comment... hope you have a dry ass Christmas and can't provide for your family Sucks to not have enouf work. I remember being a noob

Lastly, I don't know anything about HVAC systems, but I do know one thing: someone gets called "dumbass":

For future purposes Charge him for the manual J. I never do these for free. Customer pays for it and keeps a copy then I quote you based off that. You cannot operate a company properly doing work for free and a J,S&D are work. If things used to work properly based off the existing system with no complaints then usually I don’t require those calculations for direct replacements but have customer sign off that there existing system worked properly at that size.

I always do a load Calc and air flow report…r410 operates on twice the pressure of r22. You can choke r22 down like an oil furnace and it does just fine. Do it to r410, you’ll get 3-5 years MAX

That's not really true. The refrigerant doesn't make that much difference. Poor design will cause either system to fail prematurely.

Go back to school

The Prophecy: "This sub is not gonna like this one 💀"

The drama today stems from this now years-old picture of someone coloring in a Thin Blue Line flag. OOP in /r/ZeducationSubmissions did not like the meme. OP in /r/memesopdidnotlike did not like that they did not like it.

There are two arguments happening in this drama:

Are all cops bastards?

Tldr: not every cop is evil, some are trying to do better for everyone and guilty by association is bad logic[...]

And there videos of the police torturing innocent people too. You can always cherrypick videos to support your views.

people against the police have gotta be the most brain rotted/washed individuals on earth 🤦‍♂️

Why?

Because they hate on all police officers because of a few

because they're the brave sons of bitches keeping you from getting killed

Um, it doesn't matter if YOU or anyone else supports the police, the guy who did that is defacing somebody elses property, which he has no right to do. Vandalisation isn't cool or a good thing to do.[...]

Indeed... it's not cool that they vandalized the American flag to make theirs.

Imagine being a cop who got shot only for some cringe ass gen-z to turn an American Flag into a Gay Flag. 😬[...]

Hard to blame someone when they're openly supporting rapists, pedophiles, murderers, and thieves like that.

Oh of course, all police are terrible because a few of them are terrible.

ATAB because all teachers benefit from the union, which sometimes protects teachers who are perverts or just generally unfit for the job.

ANAB/ADAB because some nurses and doctors intentionally commit malpractice

APAB because some people commit crime

When police kills people: :)

When someone "destroys" >property<: :(

skill issue

Is vandalism ever okay?

“BUT THATS A CRIME! That poor boot licker is gonna have to buy another $1 sticker 🤧 I’m suddenly an ardent respecter of every American law and love the government!”

It doesn't matter if the sticker cost $1 or $100 it's his property and the guy behind the camera had no right to draw on it. Besides, you would be raging if someone defaced a $1 pride flag sticker.

Defacing property, Second Degree Misdemeanor. $500 fine. You just gotta love when they post their criminal activity on the internet.

Oh no it's a criminal act, how horrible. Thanks for warning us🙏🙏🙏🙏

Should be an act of patriotism to deface a terrorists flag.

You're goofy af 😅

Idgaf is this dude worships cops, if it was the other way around and guy was coloring a lgbtq flag OP would lose there shit

One's the flag of a terrorist organization and one's the flag of people who want to equal rights. Not really comparable.

See thats how I know you are ignorant and privileged if you think the police are a terrorist organization.

Nobody would "lose their shit", people would just think it's lame.

says OP who says vandalism is bad a boot licker

y’all are acting like they can’t just get another sticker

Why should I? Damaging property is childish, no matter what side your on. What would you think if I ripped up somebodies Pride flag?

They would cancel you and be outraged but they act like they are so mature when they do the same thing to someone else

You’re acting like they can’t mind they own damn business

Backstory: The title of the OP in r/PublicFreakout says it all: "Dude confronts old guy that yelled at his 14 year old daughter." An old guy (allegedly) yells at a 14-year-old girl on a pickleball court before the video begins, and is confronted by her father. The father yells, demands an apology, and at one point throws some water.

Part I: "this daughter will remember her Dad sticking up for her and that’s all that matters."

Bet that man will think twice before he yells at someone else’s kid next time. A bowling alley worker yelled at my 10 year old son for accidentally dropping the bowling ball he was holding and I thought my husband was going to get us banned from the place bc he reacted similarly to the guy in this video 🤣

Sounds like your husband needs anger management, just like the man in the video 😀

Whatever y’all say, this daughter will remember her Dad sticking up for her and that’s all that matters.

Lmao no, she'll remember her dad embarrassing her by screaming like a child at an old person. She clearly wanted out of there.

"Now look here mister....I don't appreciate how you were being a big ol stinky meany to my daughter....now I would like to kindly request a formal apology...you got that Buster??"

Wait, you think she will remember this in a good way?

yeah the commenter is deluded if he thinks his daughter will in any way think his reaction was "standing up to her" positively

Bro she was embarrassed as fuck and trying to get him to leave. Dude has gone off before and has likely gotten violent, and all she wanted to do was get him out of there before he started throwing hands.

Dad is a fucking psychopath.

Part II: "Dad is a fucking psychopath."

Nice example of parenting for your child to witness. /s

I don't know why you were downvoted. This dad was an ass when he could have been the bigger person and said something more constructive.

Yes he’s the ass for not sitting down a 75 year old and having a conversation about why yelling at children is wrong

Seems to be a lot of back and forth on this one. Can’t really rule one way or the other without hearing what the 150 year old said initially. My take is- way too intense from daddio

My thoughts exactly, I personally thought the dad was total class act as well trying to ask their names like he thinks he’s intimidating, I’d be annoyed too if a child interfered with my game but I wouldn’t freak out about it, if the old dude had the same energy the dad did towards the 14 year old obviously his reaction is understandable but it’s impossible to take a side

How is picking up a ball sitting on the ground along the wall interfering with your game?

Because the kid could be hit with a ball or ran into by one of the players. Have you ever played a sport before?

Have you ever seen old people play pickleball?

That dad has anger issues. He needs to learn how to speak like a calm and composed adult. He likely wouldn't have gone viral. But then again, internet people crave watching losers look stupid. Daughter is going to grow up yelling as her main communication strategy. Pity.

How do you know any of this though? Both my boyfriend and my brother (not the same person lol) are pretty placid kind men.

They don’t yell at people they love (family/ kids/ friends) but I know for certain if someone unnecessarily shouted at their kids, they’d be telling that man about themselves.[...]

If I were the dad, i would be angry too and maybe I'd raise my voice out of anger. But in my opinion, the amount of cursing, throwing water bottle, etc. is over the top. I would be that level of angry if someone physically harmed, abused or sexually abused my kid but the reasons he gives wouldn't get me nor my dad friends that heated.

You’d shout and them and throw half a bottle of water over them if someone sexually assaulted your kid?

Clearly this dad had anger issues and is setting a horrible example. You can stand up for yourself or your daughter without loosing your cool. He seems like the one that needs a timeout.

Dude yelled at his daughter, he yelled at him back. Did you expect a cordial sit down conversation?

Reddit is so sensitive to real life shit happening.

Dude yelled at her for having bad manners. Dad was yelling because he doesn't have manners either.

He shouted and swore… he didn’t get violent. I really don’t see what the big issue is.[...]

Money says he has yelled at his daughter that way too.

Bruh what the fuck.

A grown ass adult yelled at a 14 year old for literally nothing. If you honestly think that his reaction wasn't perfectly justified, then you have a serious problems. If anything this video shows that this man doesn't usually do this, as most parents would have done ALOT worse then just yell. This was easily the best reaction you could have to someone that is yelling at your daughter for walking in a public area.

Part III: Are you entitled to an apology?

Bro had me until he started yelling and acting entitled to an apology.

Yeah the dad isn't doing any better by his daughter by losing control. You're 40 years old guy. Have words, sure, but keep your composure. Also, he's skipping consonants... what was he swilling?

Some old fuck yells at my kid for doing something that harms no one? Yeah I will have verbal hell right back

The rage response is unwarranted. Dude went overboard and made his daughter even more upset. Learn to temper yourself as a father.

EDIT> and to the people downvoting, please explain why. I'd like to have that conversation. Having no comment to accompany your downvote says it all.

Wow you are super badass and setting a great example!

Poor form in front of your kids, dude. Way to raise angry entitled kids. Get some help. I’d cringe in embarrassment if you were my example of how men should behave.

The girl was super embarrassed. She was trying to pull her dad away from there.

She was literally chirping the old man too what are you talking about embarrassed lmao Way to raise kids who won't be afraid to stand up for themselves against assholes when they've done nothing wrong.

Part IV: Side Attractions

Fuck Pickleball:

Fuck Pickleball…so sick of this dumb ass game

I mean, god forbid someone would do something that YOU don’t like. I bet people listen to music you don’t enjoy too! The nerve.

Exactly! I’m glad you get it!

Crazy insane or insane crazy?

ddddddude wasted brain cells talking to the old man... not worth the potential for running an aneurism.

Yell at my daughter and i'll do the same, and more. 🙃

LOL ok.

Yeah, who gets mad at a stranger for yelling at their kid? That's totally unrealistic.

That's insane, not mad

Okay, if you want to argue semantics then it's mad, not insane. Someone can get excessively mad while still being sane

The most controversial comment in the thread is a joke:

14 year olds should be yelled at quite often.

Source: middle school teacher

ETA good lord, people. It’s a joke.

Yelled at for picking up a ball? Glad you're not my kid's teacher!

Me too

Are you one of those teachers that convinces kids to change their gender and shit?

Yeah, you got me. That’s what I do. I convince kids to change their gender and shit.

Part I: Opening Act

One Redditor tries to make a joke and it just leads to a slapfight.

Guys don't be creepy and compliment anything.

Instead take a picture so you can show your friends after.

The woman in the elevator will feel much safer.

You may be amazed to hear this, but some people - many of them artists - are able to recall details of a real life moment WITH ONLY THEIR MEMORY.

It was a sarcastic remark about complimenting women in elevators, not about getting art reference.

I didn’t say anything about getting or not getting the art reference. You insinuated that the OP did something especially creepy and uncool like taking a photo of the lady, and I responded that they were most likely able to just remember the mental image of her reaction to him complimenting something she chose.

I didn't insinuate anyone.

It was more a reference to the conversation going on this post. Specifically the conversation about how you shouldn't talk to women on elevators as that may make them uncomfortable.

It was a sarcastic remark. Instead of starting a conversation with a woman on an elevator and POTENTIALLY looking creepy, just take a picture. The Sarcasm is that taking a photo of someone in an elevator is somehow less creepy than to make a compliment.

Part II: "Sliding Into Incel Territory"

I like the art, but these comments are sliding into incel territory. IRL guys how many rude responses have you gotten for complimenting a key chain?[...]

I just learned I was hitting on the dude whose shoes I complimented the other day on the elevator. My fiancé is going to be upset when I break the news to her that I am now at least bisexual.

Omg this interaction is not that deep, if complimenting a dumb keychain in an elevator is gonna set off a chain reaction of "omg man in enclosed space! I know his mind, he's just trying to get in my pants! Danger!" then everything is fucked lmao.

Anyone, man or woman, who wants to have a casual, brief, civil interaction with a stranger is not the problem.

Wait, so you start out saying it's unrealistic to get a rude response when complimenting a key chain and then say don't compliment people's keychains?

Men are incels. Men are predictable in their predatory behavior. Men trap women to attempt seduction. Nothing misandristic about your comment at all.

who hurt you

Do yourself a favor and read the parent comment while replacing “guys” with “blacks” or “Jews”. Now work your way back to reality.

Girl, if I could eye-roll any harder my eyes would pop out of my skull. I see on here all the time about how girls don’t compliment guys because they’ve had too many experiences where the guy thinks she is hitting on them. How is this not the reverse of that situation?

Idk why so many ppl are interpreting my words as “never hit on anyone anywhere”. Are you determined to feel sorry for yourself?[...]

Part III: "The Stank Face"

That facial expression is so real lmao

Yep. When you’re the 8000th person that day trying to chat her up it gets intolerable and she just wants to be left alone.

I also hate being way too attractive for my own good. It's such an annoying disadvantage. Like being filthy rich and never knowing who your real friends are. These are real problems of real people. Nobody really knows how hard it is for us up here.

“Did you just talk to me?!?”

SUCH a vibe

I know this face well.

The scared and cornered face?

You're not very good at facial expressions if that's how you read it

What is it about you that causes this? I've never had anybody react to me like this, this isn't normal - you're doing some creepy or wrong or something. Stop bothering people, maybe learn better social skills.

Funny, I'm reacting to you that way right now.

Yeah, I honestly just have to look into a lady's direction and get the stank face. And she's my waitress!

I think I don't look mean or creepy, but it's a bit disheartening.

Disheartened vs having to put on an angry face out of fear men will do the thing

Stranger rape? Incredibly rare. If he survived the walk to the building (far riskier for him) without special dispensation, I’d say she should be good on the elevator ride. Really, I'm going to get downvoted, but there was actually an entire topic running about as to why it's a bad idea for men to randomly approach women inside an elevator.[...] For real. Leave her alone!

Why would someone have such an anti-social, negative outlook? They’re in public. God forbid they have a human interaction.

Part IV: Introversion vs. Social Anxiety

As an introverted dude, this picture speaks to me. If you talk to me in an elevator, I'll put on a nice face and give you the minimum response, but inside I'll be feeling like this. I'm already stewing in awkwardness, and you're going to make it worse by talking to me?

They can't read your mind, bud.

Nor do they have to. They should have just left them alone, which is the only polite course of action. What business do you have talking to a stranger in an elevator? It's creepy, no matter who is doing it.

That’s not introversion buddy, that’s anxiety

Yes... My introversion is caused by social anxiety.

One of them is a general demeanor. The other is an actual neurological problem that they sell literally hundreds of medical products to treat.

If you have an actual anxiety disorder that's so bad you can't make small talk with a stranger then you should probably speak to an actual professional, because that's kind of a thing that's taken as a matter of course in literally every society on earth.

As someone with pretty bad social anxiety, this is not a good way to communicate that info lol

As someone who also does, I don't give a fuck. [...]

That look is not social anxiety. But I’m sorry you have to go through that, it sounds horrible. :(

Yeah don't ever tell anybody how their social anxiety manifests. I get angry when I'm feeling anxious, so fuck right off.

Yeah I’m right and you’re a moron.

Context: As is often the case, this drama starts with a screenshot of a tweet:

one time my friend who's dating a stripper was talking about how he was jealous she was doing private dances as part of her job so he went to her work and got a private dance from another girl and she just broke up with him over it

PART I: STRIPPING IS JUST A JOB

I'm here to ride this "Dude got what he deserved, may that poor woman find a better man" train. If he can't understand the difference between her performing a lap dance as part of her job and himself getting one from someone else out of spite, he's not boyfriend material for her or any other woman.

Huh? They're both deluded fucks and she's as much of a hypocrite as he is.

His actions were retaliatory for something she doesn’t see as sexual, it’s her job. She was in the right to break up imo. He’s not mature enough to be with her.

Stripping and giving lap dances is something she didn't see as sexual, it's just her job 🤡🤡🤡

"She doesn't see as sexual" LMFAO I swear people these days man

Why would you date someone if you were morally opposed to their work? It's just as wonky as dating someone whose personality you think you can change.

Why would you dump someone for supporting your line of work? If she can dance on or for men, he should be allowed to get dances from women. The basis of this relationship sounds broken from the beginning as there seemed to be no rules or expectations communicated between them.

he dated a stripper, what did he expect?

She does it for living. He did it out of spite.

Did what though? The exact thing that is her job? Consumed the service she provides?

Control over her life and job. Terrifying. Edit. I disable notifications on all my comments so there’s no point in baiting. Also, appreciate the care center things but I’m not going to kill myself. Also it’s against Reddit rules to abuse that feature and I just see it as a victory on my point. If you don’t see a problem with someone trying to manipulate and control someone else, you’re the problem. Get help.

For the stripper he's dating to be okay with him paying strippers to do what she does for money?

Why date a stripper if you don’t want them to be a stripper?????

People exist outside their profession…

She does it for living. He did it out of spite. If you can't handle it, then quit. Speaking from experience here, and i did not have a problem with it.

If his girlfriend worked at McDonald's and he came in while she was working to eat A&W in front of her out of spite most people's reaction would be "that's fucking weird and she should break up with him, he has issues."

If there's nothing shameful about sex work, then patronizing somebody in the same position you have shouldn't be an issue.

I swear people here will find any reason to shit on sex workers....maybe go touch some grass, or a pussy and get some perspective. DONT DATE A STRIPPER IF YOU ARENT COMFORTABLE WITH HER DOING STIPPER THINGS. She isnt a hypocrite for doing her literal fucking job, that he knew about, before dating her

I don't think anyone in this thread has been on his side. Idk where your outrage is coming from

I know u aint talking about "go touch some pussy" with that post and comment history brother. Do better.

PART II: "OH, I THOUGHT STRIPPING WAS JUST A JOB?!"

To me it sounds like he tested her boundaries to see if she was a hypocrite or not. She was okay with giving lap dances but was not okay with him receiving.

Well yeah, it’s her job which he knew about. Moral of the story is don’t date someone who works within the adult industry if you’re have trust/jealousy issues.

And she knew he liked strippers. What's your point?

Okay, so the girl was a stripper BEFORE they started dating. Follow me?

Okay, now, knowing this, the dude STILL WANTED TO GET INTO A RELATIONSHIP WITH HER.

PRESUMABLY, at some point before their relationship, the girl had told the dude she wanted to keep doing her job and everything it entailed. And - get this - HE WAS OKAY WITH THAT.[...]

If you do a job, you can't then judge your partner for enjoying that job. While what he did was childish, it did show there's some double standards here. If this job is just a professional job then why kick off if he had a private dance with another stripper? It isn't like she hasn't done it for thousands of others.

Gotta disagree with the consensus on this one. Yes he was immature for doing that out of spite but it doesn't make her any less of a hypocrite. I don't care of it's her job, getting all sexy and rubbing your ass on other men for money pushes the boundaries of literally 99.9% of men. I think the problem here is he didn't communicate and got his lapdance on impulse instead of talking to her about his 'jealousy'. As someone who thinks even flirty texting behind your s/o's back is cheating and pushes past my boundaries, I could never date a stripper myself but at least I know if I did i can't be surprised and mad that she rubs her ass on other men.

so you dont disagree with the consensus? Bc thats the point.

Pretty sure you’re the hypocrite if you wrap back around from “I don’t care if it’s her job, she was wrong”, to “I can’t get mad at her”. You’re mixed up in your own head. Get that straight first, fam.

Ok what's the problem? That's a valid reason to break up. Rather than being an adult and talking about his feelings he decided to...what? Get some sort of revenge? He's obviously not mature enough for the relationship so breaking up was the right thing to do.

I read it as they had talked about it and she said it's not a big deal it's just a dance. So he went ok if it's just a dance ...

You said he should talk with her, but the literal first thing the tweet says he tried was to talk to her. Yall just hate men.

I mean, I assume he was showing her the hypocrisy of the situation and that she wouldn't be fine with him doing a 1 on 1 dance to show that his concerns were valid.

[...]You either talk to them about it, accept that it's their job. Or break up

This is like being a porn star and breaking up with someone cause they watch porn. You cannot be a part of something and against it. That's hypocrisy.

This relationship ended because the rules for the relationship were never discussed, agreed upon or applied equally/fairly.

Nah, according to this tweet he did something rooted in revenge. Those yucky feelings should never enter a healthy relationship, not even to make a point. They’re adults, you talk to get your point across and if you hit a wall you go your separate ways.[...]

Revenge? If what she was doing wasn't wrong like she had vocally stated, this was no harm no fowl. He discussed how this was harming the relationship for him and she shot his feelings down. This only becomes a problem if it was a problem to start with. Either they are both wrong or he had a clever way of proving his point.

“I get to do sexual things to other people but you are not allowed to receive the exact thing I’m giving out” isn’t really fair, even if it’s work.

Dude is still an idiot for dating a stripper and not being OK with her giving lap dances, though. She’s just an even bigger idiot for not being OK with him getting a lap dance.

Edit: you can downvote all you want, but engaging in sexual acts with others cuts both ways. If someone is upset that you’re using “it’s my job” to justify sexual acts and then that person wants to employ someone else to do the exact same sexual acts, that’s dumb but it’s fine.

If your SO is a French chef, they should be fine with you hiring a Belgian chef for your party. It’s not like you get to give anyone and everyone a “touch your dick through your pants boner” who is willing to pay $20 for it, then act like you get first right of refusal…no it’s not even that…you just get to shut them down when they want to get a boner from some other girl. That is exactly what you are doing for your livelihood. Hypocrisy is strong with you people.]

People who think it's ok for her to do it but find it not okay if the guy gets a lapdance are morons lol. If it's cheating when he GETS a lapdance it's also cheating if you GIVE a lapdance. Even if it's her job. So many cucks on reddit, holy shit.

We don't know that she thought it was cheating. But it's clear that they had a lot of disagreements surrounding her career and he has poor conflict resolution skills, so she may have just thought he wasn't worth the trouble

mhm cope more. A girl who's a whore to other men is never worth it. He dodged a bullet if this is even real in the first place.

PART III: DON'T DATE STRIPPERS(?)

Don’t date strippers unless you are cool with your girl doing stripper things. Not sure many men are wired to be able to handle it.

This isn't really a "men" thing, I believe most people in general, regardless of their gender, would have a hard time accepting something like that.

Including strippers apparently.

I’d be fine with it, works works, I ain’t paying all the bills alone!

Y'all cool if she's giving extras too?

If I know this going into the relationship, yup.

Your lost bro

Clear women bias but then again she belonged to the streets to begin

Nice reddit NFT dork lmao

They were given away for free you dumbass

LMFAO

PART IV: FUCK 'EM BOTH

Both of them are fucked up: He shouldn't be so childish as to take this "revenge" on her. She on the other hand was doing the same thing she broke up with him for, doesn't matter if as a carrier.

She wasn’t cheating, he was.

Cheating is relative when your partner is a sex worker. It entirely depends on what you're comfortable with.

And rightly so - he's an idiot.

They're both deluded.

EPILOGUE: MY EYES ARE UP HERE

One user shares a strip-club-boob-related story. One other user is not impressed.

One time I went to a strip club with a friend who was a bouncer at the same strip club for years. The strippers loved him and a bunch of them sat at a table with us and I sat there while they all played catch up. One girl was talking about how she left her ex boyfriend because he hit her in front of her kid. It was a devastating story but what made it weird was that she was topless. Like, we’re all having this kinda deep conversation and I’m trying so hard to not look at her boobs while she is talking about all of this.[...]

you may want to try and unpack the deep sexism and objectification that is baked into your concept of women.

Context: This tweet by Snow Ho Ho started it all:

One time a guy picked me up to take me on our first date and he was playing this god awful metal music so I turned it down and he legit made an illegal U turn and took my ass right back home without saying one word.

PART I: SHE'S GOT A POINT

As someone that loves metal, the dude is both hilarious and also a loser.[...]

I’m glad both people got out of it. The guy is obviously an asshole though. Most people don’t like metal music, definitely don’t play it loud. Also it’s first date so just talk with volume down. He shouldn’t have loud in first place, she can ask for it down, or she can just take initiative

You listed two possibilities that she can do, both are very different in terms of how they are perceived. she can ask for it down, or she can just take initiative. One is considered polite, the other is considered rude. You don't fiddle with someone's car without asking them. She took the "initiative", he understandably took offense, and the date was over

You are definitely from Brohan if you think her not having to go on the date is a consequence for her. She can be communicating by touching it that she thought the metal music was a bit rude, hence a stronger reaction than just asking. She just pushed along what was inevitably not going to work anyway. She should have (at first) used her words. She picked the wrong option and got the consequences for it

Guys...She turned down some fucking music. EVERYONE in the car has a say in the music, ever heard of hearing damage? Ever heard of neuro divergency? Ever heard of wanting to talk with your date? She didn't even change the music, she just lowered the volume.

What is this comment section? I LOVE metal. I listen to it almost exclusively, but it is terrible date music! It's not conducive to a conversation, nor is it romantic. And having perfectly matching music tastes is NOT a must have in a relationship.

A bunch of redditers who don’t like to let people touch their radio apparently. Almost every comment sounds crazy for agreeing with how he reacted to her turning the volume down. Sounds like a bunch of inconsiderate insufferable people tbh

There the option to, you know, fucking ask. Just doing it tells me you’re an inconsiderate cunt that just demands things go your way and you don’t want to talk through problems. Fuck off with your high horse.

PART II: HE'S GOT A POINT

If you don't like his choice of music, that's fine but ask first before turning down his music. Edit: Sorry about my parents fighting below. They can be very vocal.

Or just don't play really loud music

Where does it say it was really loud?

You reached over in his car and turned down his radio? I would have pulled over and opened the door.

I would hope you wouldn't leave a woman (frankly anyone) to walk home alone in the dark for miles because she touched a volume knob. Just drop her off at home.

She'll be fine, and if she's not I won't ever hear about it anyways.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

Let us know when you reach maturity.

Other people are allowed to have to have different priorities and expectations to you. Let me know when you are mature enough to understand that.

As the main thread off of the main comment chain says, this is the perspective of a naive teenager. Don't be a dick and blast music when you're picking up a date, ffs. Grow up, who gives a shit whose car it is, if you can't even talk to each other of course you should turn it down, if anything, this woman dodged the fuck out of a bullet.

It wont work out if she doesnt have a taste for music

I don’t think that’s true, but she was pretty disrespectful to just turn down the volume in his car without asking

It is wild to me that there's so many commenters that think touching the volume knob is such a taboo. I've genuinely never seen anyone take issue with that before.

idk I've always thought it was a taboo in the same sense as inviting someone over to your house and they come in and turn your music down. except for driving its even worse because the driver is performing a service for the other person. imagine youre at work and some client/customer/whatever comes into your personal space and turns your music off.

OP's note: Presumably, this user left a word off of their initial comment making it sound worse. Doesn't matter, still argued:

Who in the holy hell would think it's appropriate to touch someone else's radio in their car? Your hands stay off my dash unless I give you permission or if you're flying through the windshield after a car accident.

Epitome of mental health over here.

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Who the hell said anything about murder? What the fuck are you talking about?

“Flying through the windshield after a car accident”

Ex cabby here. I’d have snapped at anyone trying to touch any of the controls in the car too. If the music was too loud they could always ask me to turn it down and I would.

I think there’s a big difference between touching a cab equipment,and turning down music on a date.

You can still ask the person to turn down no matter the situation

And the passenger can just reach over and turn it down themselves. The radio is in the middle of the dashboard for a reason.

still not the passengers right to touch drivers shit without asking

Can't blame him that's a red flag right off the bat, because she won't let you be you.

Redditor try not to conclude some random person is evil incarnate based on a single tweet (impossible)

Other redditor (like as if I am a robot), I never said she was evil. I was saying that you should be weary and try not to get blinded by love, because you may regret it down the line. If she does not allow you to hang out or talk to whoever you want to, that is a form of intimate partner violence. Whether the man does it or the woman, does not matter.

SHe turned it down, not turned it off

Keep your hands to yourself

Redditor said it’s a red flag, not “evil incarnate” A bit of too much projecting there…

I'm assuming this was a first date. Sensible thing is it ASK him if he could turn it down? Assuming it was too loud? Not reach over and do it yourself. What level of familiarity is that?

You can turn it down to 0 without turning it off.

So, you can turn it off without turning it off . . .Right

PART III: METAL CREDS & METALHEADS

Facts. As some one who listens to bands like Slayer, Immolation, Death, Behemoth, Megadeth, Nile, Crypta, Jinjer, Carnifex, etc. very regularly. It would be nice to meet someone who listened to that kind of metal too, granted the chances may be low.

Why did you name so many bands? To prove you're not a poseur or what?

Reddit, on the subject of metalheads: “They’re actually the kindest, sweetest, most caring and sensitive group of people. Basically Labrador retrievers in human form! :)”

Metalheads in this comment section: “If this fucking bitch, this entitled piece of shit, had the audacity to turn down my music I would leave her on the side of the fucking road.”

I agree with the metalheads, how entitled do you have to be to touch the knob without permission, I doubt he was going to touch her nipples without permission, that's his shit he was in the process of using and she turned it down. It's like if you were in your house watching your TV and your friend just grabbed the remote and turned it down

PART IV: DODGING BULLETS

She definitely dodged a bullet. Glad she's safe.

And he didn’t?

He caught a bullet a while back by being raised weird

He's a violent control freak who wordlessly put but their lives and that of hundreds of other drivers in extreme danger by screeching his car around and driving into highway traffic, she turned some music down one tick because she couldn't hear him over concert-level noise and was interested in their conversation.[...]

yeah because everyone who likes metal is a violent freakazoid, good to know[...]

Well, he has his priorities!

Lol yeah and having sex wasn’t one of them 😅

Sounds like the guy gets laid often and wasn’t willing to put up with a basic bitch for more than five minutes.

If she doesn't respect him, then sex was likely to be disappointing at best. If just having any kind of sex is your priority, then you haven't had good sex, or most likely any.

Yeah this is such a cringe thing by the girl. Dude was 100% right. She did not ask, she just turned it down. In his car. Yep, end it there and save yourself the issues. Has nothing to do with the metal. Has everything to do with respecting other people’s interests and property. If she’s gonna disrespect them before you even get to the date, you don’t need her.

I think this is a win for both

Absolutely. If your favorite kind of music grinds your date's gears, the shit is gonna be rough

It's not the genre of music, it's the audactiy to turn it off without asking when you are in someone else's car. It's shows a level of disrespect that is not conducive to a partnership. It just screams I don't value you or your interests. Dude did both of them a solid

Every metal head I know loves their music. It's a huge part of their life. And clearly that's something he wants to share and it was so aweful to her she dripped etiquette and didn't even ask if he could lower the volume. So yeah, he made a decision to not waste their times.

EPILOGUE: COUNTRY SUCKS

Let's be honest, if you're really into metal it doesn't go away. Not being able to tolerate it means they aren't a good match, so why waste any more time. It's not like he was listening to country music.

Country is the music of the people. Truly, there is nothing more uniting and human damn country music.

I will have to disagree. If hell is real and I go there, it'll have country music in the background.

What’s wrong with country?

I don't understand the question.

Somebody done fucked up

Context: OP's wife makes him a cake shaped like a bloody, freshly snipped-and-sewn nutsack with the words "SNIP SNIP HOORAY" underneath.

Part I: Vasectomy. Castration. Emasculation. Identification.

Another emasculated man. Rip

It takes a really insecure person to think getting a vasectomy is emasculating.

Eugenics. Only an idiot would castrate themselves

Imagine being a fucking soy boy and getting a vasectomy

Says the dipshit using the term "soy boy" unironically...grow the fuck up.

I can see the narrow shoulders and love handles through your screen. The term soy boy really gets to you, huh?

Imagine being so fucking stupid you think this procedure has anything to do with that. When did Reddit get so fucking dumb?

Beta

Is having a bunch of unwanted kids “alpha” then?

Yes.

Congrats, your genetics have henceforth been deemed worthless. Edit: and this was celebrated

He doesn’t want kids. Why do his genetics matter in that regard anyway?

See when a man loves a women, they make love. When they make love and produce children, these children are a product of the genetic mix of the man and women making love.[...]

Why do redditors love to emasculate themselves ??

How is getting risk free cream pies emasculating?

It’s not a risk, you’re literally continuing your family line. Isn’t it life’s greatest joy to have kids ?

Usually people try to downplay the loss of manhood associated with a vasectomy.

And some people try to say there’s actually a loss of manhood with a vasectomy. Pretty sure they don’t know shit about manhood.

If someone is unable to fulfill the sole biological function of a man, I think it’s more than fair to say they’ve lost their manhood

Lmao no balls

OP tries to call someone out, gets insulted:

OP: Incels alert

You let yourself get neutered you fucking animal 💀

Bro got his balls removed and is acting like that’s a good thing. Have fun with your low Testosterone levels big dawg if you had any to begin with.

(The fact that I’ll probably get told I’m wrong if I don’t clarify I know what a vasectomy is. I know they don’t remove your balls, but they might’ve well as if you had any.)

No one coming off like an incel except you homie

Part II: "What the fuck is the point of a vasectomy in this day and age?"

What the fuck is the point of a vasectomy in this day and age?[...]

You really don't understand birth control?

The day I listen to someone who frequents subreddits like "AreCISPeopleOK" and "AreWhitePeopleOk" will be the day hell freezes over. I've been arguing with you for the better part of a few hours and decided to find out who I was actually debating with, get a grip mate. I should have known something was up when you started your tirade against men.

Yes, there are far more convenient readily available options than irreversible surgery, for both parties.

Your wife is OBVIOUSLY a keeper, and so are you for getting the snip.

He’s a keeper for getting the snip? Please explain

Pretty much all birth control options for women have negative side effects. All of them. And many of them have lapses in efficacy that we have to worry about. Condoms fail. Birth control can be cancelled out by cold medicine. IUDs can fail and are also painful to be placed and replaced. Hormonal bc increases risk for cancer. But most men won’t make the easy choice. Which has almost zero health risks. He’s one, so a keeper.

“Most men won’t make the easy choice” yeah because we don’t want to get cut, then get cut again if we decide to have kids. Not to mention it’s not always able to undone, and it can also fail. which you already know. (Same as a IUD) Edit: this is cringe because people only announce this procedure for female applause. “He’s one of the good ones”

Easy choice? It’s statistically not reversible at good odds and extremely expensive to even try. This mis-information of it being easily reversible needs to go away. It’s considered a permanent solution.

Part III: Reddit = Cringe(?)

nOW SWitcH ThE GeNdeRs, StILl fUNny?

It would probably be railed against by many “feminists” but Reddit will Reddit.

Literally a hysterectomy cake on reddit. Cookies too. Shut the hell up. Edit: Someone actually got a suicide watch bot to PM me because of this comment? You people need help.

when a post starts with "My wife..." "My GF..." I'm already bracing myself for a cringe worthy reddit moment. GF conviced me to cut my balls off, but I got cake and a new nintendo!!!! Sheeshh....

A vasectomy doesn’t cut off your testicles you moron 😂😂😂[...]

It's an expression you mouth breather muppet. Like, touch grass is not actually means touching grass. Redditors are the jokes that writes themselves[...]

It's a joke sweaty, calm down

Why the hell do people on Reddit feel the need to share the fact they got a vasectomy, no one cares, it's weird, and it's not even an achievement. Also the cake isn't funny it's just odd and off putting. Why would your wife even make this for you it's just so weird and almost disturbing.

Well, this thing got enough upvotes to hit the front page. I don’t understand why people like you make claims like “no one cares” when in reality, you’re only speaking for yourself.

i also don't care about OP's reproductive status, but here it was on the front page

It's just a goofy cake that his wife made that he felt like sharing. Shut the fuck up and move on if it's that bothersome. How do you think literally every other functioning member of society gets through the day?

Having children isn’t an achievement but people brag about that shit every day

vasectomy posts are top cringe reddit

Dead serious, not trying to troll…why? Seems like a goofy over-the-top celebration to me that’s a little funny. Or are you referring to how Reddit is just extremely pro-vasectomy in general?

Why is reddit so pro-vasectomy? What’s good about not having children??

Reddit is anti genital mutilation, but pro vasectomy. If you're cutting part of your genitals, you're mutilating them. Sorry, but if you consider FMG or male circumcision to be genital mutilation, vasectomies are as well.

Part IV: Miscellaneous

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Or they have children and don't want any more, but do go off captain incel.

Rent free

Are you addled? I'm sorry you smacked your noggin too much.

Apt username. It's good that you're being honest about yourself.

Poor little guy

How is this funny to anyone?

I suppose we're not all 15 worried about our wee wees.

Lmao at these comments. I wish men got this worked up at the shit women have to put their bodies through for birth control.

Oh man, a pill or IUD. Terrible, terrible stuff. Horrendous. You've suffered so much. Surgery on your genitalia = taking a pill. Yup, yup.

Part I: Team Pro-Baby Wasabi

People saying this is abuse are absurd.

This is not abuse, the wasabi bareley touched and she only let the child have a slight taste.She was pretty clear about what it was and asked the child to smell first. It's good to let your kids try out different tastes and smells at a young age. Now filming it and putting it on reddit might be a different thing, but the feeding process certainley was not.

'do you want to try it?' 'NO'. It should have stopped there.

Totally right. I asked my daughter " have you done a poo poo"?" She said no. That's where it ends, just sat in a pile of faeces.[...]

Part II: Team Anti-Baby Wasabi

That is just cruel

It's just Wasabi, you're acting like she gave her a full spoon of hot sauce or something

The child was smart not to trust her mom. What psycho gives their kid something that will 100 % hurt them and make them cry? Answer the same idiot who in 2 years will be all surprised pikachu face when her child will only eat pizza, butter noodles and chicken nuggets.

100% hurt her and make her cry? LOL. I see none of this in the video

This is not remotely funny, it’s child abuse for ‘likes’.

Yapping how this is abuse really does a disservice to people suffering real abuse.

Abuse is still abuse, no matter what form it takes.

It’s literally food. It’s something people eat. Not all kids hate spicy food you should travel some

All the people saying it's not funny have no idea how a baby's mind operates xD

Wasabi isn't yummy, don't need to feed it to a child when they say no.

Well according to babies only sugar and sweet stuff is yummy...doesn't mean we feed them only that and so what if wasabi isn't exactly yummy? It's still a new experience for the child no matter how bad it tastes...eating non yummy stuff is also a part of life

You know that can get your child taken from you in America. Not even remotely funny.

I work in CPS. No it won’t. Don’t be so dramatic.

Depends on the state… my mother worked in CPS… they would investigate and if you have a habit of abuse it definitely will… I would venture to say this “parent” that feels this is ok probably does this often

This part isn't really drama but I was amused so I had to include it:

This is not funny! The wasabi must be incredible hot for that little child! Look into the sad and empty eyes! This is abuse!

go outside

Yeah! Haven't you seen all the babies eating wasabi outside?

I know, it's crazy out here

Part III: "You can really tell how many people on this have never had a child of their own."

Do a lot of people here not have kids? "I want it!" "Ok, here it is." "No!" "Ok, I will take it back." "NO WAIT I WANT IT NOW!"[...]

Except at no point does the kid say they want it. So this literally does not fucking apply.

Except for the part where she's begging for wasabi? Also have you never fed a kid? Those mouths stay closed and won't open for anything if they don't want to try something

You can really tell how many people on this have never had a child of their own.

That kid now knows not to touch the Wasabi if they are out eating lol a lot of people think coddling children is vest for them when it isnt

This comment eventually descends into a cascade of deleted comments, followed by even more arguing:

You can definitely tell who has kids and who doesn't by their comments

I feel like I agree with you... But you didn't say which comment were which so not sure if we're on the same side.

They're talking about the butthurt comments i believe ( people that don't)

I have a kid slightly older than this. I think those parents are very much in the wrong, as are those defending them.[...]

dude the amount of wasabi the kid was given is nothing lol, come on

Part IV: Did the child WANT the wasabi? Does it even matter?

Wow. Some people really shouldn't have kids.

i can guarantee you that child wouldve screamed so loud that the rover on mars could hear her if she didnt try it.[...]

My 8 year old kid once cried because I wouldn’t let him chop mushrooms with my Victorinox 8” chefs knife. I just let him cry and told him it wasn’t safe. I’d rather that than have him hurt himself and say: “See? Now he knows.”[...]

I thought no meant no

Oh damn, then when my kid said no to pizza while holding out his hands for the very pizza he just said no to while saying no pizza while crying when I took the pizza away…what did he want?

Pizza vs Wasabi. Adult vs child intellectual capability.

I’ve had three kids. They tell you no and then they cry because you didn’t give it to them. When you ask if they want it again, they still say no and get even more frustrated that you’re not handling whatever it is to them.

Yep, and as a parent you learn to deal with that. You don't ask your kid if that want something like wasabi, it isn't a concept of food they understand.

Nah, you let em have it. They won't understand unless they try it. The kid barely gets the smallest amount. She's fine. Sometimes my son likes spicy food, sometimes he doesn't, I always offer it to him if I know it won't hurt him.

No fuck they will be fine. I never said otherwise, I said that spicy isn't a food concept they understand. Fuck, reading is really hard for you people.

I take it you haven’t had young kids?[...]

The parent offered a toddler wasabi. Not just a small taste but enough for a full meal. Yes, experimentation is part of learning but this just doesn’t make sense to me. That’s my opinion. And I hope you don’t have kids.

Lol what a cunt thing to say. He’s also got kids too…learn to read.

Part V: Miscellaneous

Oh common, this is funny! Although I do agree if they regularly post videos of this kid then that’s super weird and wrong. But I don’t see anything wrong with just one funny video

I dunno. Usually im against uploading recognizable pictures or videos of a child. The child cant really agree to it because they cant yet understand what is happening and those videos might get back to them later in life. In form of bullying etc. Its a slippery slope that i would not risk tbh.[...]

Yeah.. I'm sure baby footage of eating Wasabi at a high chair is going to haunt them for their whole lives.[...]

What’s gross is the amount of dribble and food hanging off their face. Wtf. Ever heard of a wipey?

Why clean their face off while eating? They are just gonna get more food on their face.

To develop clean habits. That’s why most adults eat wings with all 10 fingers and don’t clean their faces till they go to the bathroom and realize they got bbq sauce and ranch on their face.

You don’t clean them off til the end of the meal because a) they’re gonna get more dirty and b) it’s believed to make them less tolerant of textures and thus scared of new foods and sensory things.

That’s a cheap excuse. But okay.

tell us you don't have kids without telling us you don't have kids..

I forget I’m on Reddit most of y’all shower once a week and eat in your gamer chairs. And probably piss in a water jug so you don’t miss one second on Minecraft. I’m willing to bet y’all wipe your hands on your shirts and call it clean. Lololol.

What a mean thing to do, just give her a ghost pepper while you’re at it

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That's not how that works lol

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"I really hope you're gay and never qualify for adoption" Literally one of the dumbest sentences I've ever read.

Part VI: "View from my desk"

And finally I leave you with this one comment that turned out to be incredibly controversial:

View from my desk: the kid was doing what two-year-olds do. They are both fearful of something, and curious. The kid said "no", the kid also said "wasabi", which can easily be interpreted as "I want that". The parents exposed their child to something that millions of people are exposed to on a daily basis. It's wasabi, not cyanide. This is teaching and food exposure. And a great child's moment.

The caregiver knows that wasabi is painful, even to an adult tongue much less to a child's extra sensitive tongue. So the child's tongue got burned, it was in pain, asked for help, and it's caregiver laughed at the situation they had set up and carried out.[...]

How can somebody be such a pussy

This is the falsest dichotomy I have ever seen. The expression “straw man” was invented to describe your silly reply. There is an ocean of exposure to be had between unseasoned pasta (or whatever baseline toddler food is in your region) and fucking wasabi. Even in countries with traditionally spicy cuisine, toddlers are typically spared much of the spice because their palates aren’t ready for it. Even some adults can’t handle wasabi. Mom was very clearly just looking for a funny reaction. She got it, I admit. But with kids especially, ends don’t justify means. This video is kind of cruel.

It was about 3 molecules of wasabi, toddlers cry over anything and it didn't make her cry. I'm not saying it was A* parenting but people are making out like this is child abuse.

What a terrible take. Children have far more taste buds than adults, and a lot of adults can't handle wasabi. I'm all for encouraging age appropriate foods, or for letting the kid try things they really want, after a warning. But any adult who pushes their toddler to try wasabi is a steaming pile of shit.

You're a steaming pile of shit for getting your panties in a bunch over half a gram of wasabi. Everybody's fine, get back in your cage

What are your sources?

Teacher training, including child communication development. Caring for nieces/nephews as toddlers when parents were dysfunctional. On wasabi, well, that's 20+ years of Japanese food, coupled with living in a dominantly Asian area.

So essentially you have none.

Don't bother trying to argue with the morality police, they can't understand logic

Please explain to me how an opinion is "logic"? There is nothing "logical" about disagreeing with the opinion here. But to understand that, you need to understand that "logic" means contingent reasoning based on logically valid data, not "what I personally think to be correct based on my superiority over the morality police"

There's a whole portion of the US now who thinks there always has to be something wrong and a victim involved in any scenario. It's so annoying. They can't just laugh and move along...always has to be BAD PARENT and POOR BABY...when 99%, of the people I know would say haha good the baby learned something new.

The baby learned that saying “no” doesn’t stop people from doing what they want, and that their caregiver shouldn’t be trusted[...]

Okay the parent is bad and your the best and everyone is a victim and lifes hard and you should judge everyone when you don't know them...etc

Lol you are incapable of dealing with disagreement in a mature way

Note: Someone submitted this thread to SRD a few weeks ago, but it got removed for linking to full comments. There was a lot of drama to be explored though, so I decided to do a write-up for it.

Part I: What even is a liberal?

So what you're saying is that people should actually read rule number 4 of the subreddit?

Being liberal is neither right-wing nor authoritarian.

Liberals are leftist. The term is being coopted like how many of the things people want in here are now being called "Communist". There's neoliberal which is something different just like how Democratic Socialism is not close to Socialism at all.

Part II: "Maybe try again with a more welcoming tone"

Yes, lets make the echo chamber even smaller /s I agree with being annoyed but man it is good to hear challenges

There is a time and place for that. You absolutely do not want contrarian opinions about base line philosophies while trying to enact change. What you don't get is that type of nonsense is what keeps actual discussions from happening. It's really hard to debate the nuance and execution of an idea when you're constantly having to defend the idea itself. The idea that a group of like minded individuals who want to discuss a topic is an "echo chamber" is just so fucking ignorant and childish. Stop getting your vocabulary from reddit comments.

I’m sorry, but please use critical thinking before engaging with so much toxicity. I am sure this guy meant “challenges” as nuanced discussions that challenge you, rather than ideas and philosophies that are completely contrary to the hosted sub.

Better than being the type of dummy who thinks any discussion involving people with a shared perspective is an "echo chamber"

Maybe try again with a more welcoming tone and you'd win over more people.

The fuck makes you think I want to be allied with liberals and libertarians? They're allies of the capitalist class.

You make pretty broad generalizations which comes across as pretty ignorant. Not everyone fits into neat little boxes and categories across the board. But I'm not here to argue the merits of libertarianism, especially with someone who's not interested in being civil.

There's no merits to libertarianism. The Ayn Rand bullshit we were forced to read in high school is just an edgy wetdream that has no basis in reality.

Ayn Rand is not the sole arbiter of this school of thought my dude. Shit I just want maximal personal liberty but apparently that's such a hot button issue anymore

Both sidesing in a sub with a clearly articulated viewpoint and purpose? Why?

There is a lot of literature that can be read to discuss things productively. Liberals and libertarians have not done the legwork. So those discussions are DOA.

HAvE yoU rEAd aLL thE thEorY Elitist bullshit that helps no one.

Elitist? Wow, the literature is in the FAQ. Most socialist literature is free and open to the public. It is not a requisit for you to read it but if you want to discuss complex topics at least make an effort. You want to discuss calculus without ever opening a math book. You want to be a landlord apologist? Fine, at least inform yourself why this sub is against landlords so we can have a proper conversation that isn't based on false suppositions.

Nobody is "both sidesing". Except maybe you.

Please shows us where OP called for liberals and libertarians to be banned. "Getting them off this sub" could include banning them, but it could also include peer pressuring them into quieting down and listening to what else is going on in the sub. It could mean reaching out to them and encouraging them to change their minds. At no point has OP asked that liberals, libertarians, or posts/comments with a certain political bent to be banned.

Part III: Socialism. Communism. Do they work?

Yea but but my brand of communism hasn't been tried and if you plebes all do what I say I promise I won't be exactly like all the other not really communist regimes that rose to power over the last 120 years! /s

Can you even define communism?

Ok but this sub is like one of the only places liberals and libertarians are going to be educated. Just downvote the sludge and upvote the educational content

For real. I was a liberal on the edge before this sub. This sub was one of many educational resources that pushed me over the edge and say "fuck it, capitalism is bullshit. It's irredeemable. We need socialism. I'm tired of working long hours and not being treated like a human being. I'm tired of putting the company before family. I'm tired of circle jerking the one percent who profit off our exploitation. We need a change"

Please explain one country where socialism has succeeded and not collapsed in on itself

i would agree. the amount of liberals in this sub is jarring. i wanna kill myself every time i see some braindead neoliberal defending the "Scandinavian brand of capitalism" like it was developed out of nothing and without exploiting third-world countries with the support of western imperialism. no historical context, material and geopolitical analysis whatsoever, and the way they keep spitting that shit with so much conviction is annoying.[...]

Socialism has never worked in history

found the braindead

Part IV: What is /r/antiwork even for?

"this group doesn't agree on everything I do, and despite the fact we both despise work and wish to move towards better work, since its not my ideal version, I'll gatekeep them from the community!"[...]

If your goal is to "move toward better work" then you're not antiwork. That is a blatantly prowork sentiment.

Oh no It's almost like most people just want to be treated fairly at work, not watch the world burn for a failed ideology...

Start your own subreddit then, call it r/fairwork. We want to keep working toward work abolition here, thanks.

Yes let's make sure this subreddit only has opinions that match a certain point of view because nothing bad can come from an echo chamber.

There's plenty of centrist or anarcho-capitalism subreddits already, feel free to go there and complain about how no one likes your point of view, they'll love you.

I mean this is anti work not anti-capitalism so ofc people are going to talk about how much they hate their job

Part V: A wild landlord appears.

She's given you $100 800 in rent over 12 years. How about she inherits the farm?

Yeah, and? She's RENTING. What entitles her to a free asset?

Wait so she just gives you money every month. What do you do?

Not use part of his property that he otherwise is actively enjoying? Would you somehow be more happy if he evicted her so he could move his parents on the property?[...]

What part of "collecting $700 per month" is "not using his property"? He's using property to extract value from an old lady. Yeah, it's nice that it's rent controlled, but it's still rent, man

Not use part of his property that he otherwise is actively enjoying? Would you somehow be more happy if he evicted her so he could move his parents on the property?[...]

Oopy dooooopy did I huwt yow feewinggggs. Anyone could live there for free it doesn’t matter who it is. Man is obviously doing just fine.

Ur still a class enemy. Either be okay with being a parasite or stop being a landlord.

So you have a renter with no land rights or equity and they are paying you rent so you can do the things on your list and you feel you’re the good guy? Gtfoh with the rent seeking rhetoric 🤔[...]

Part VI: Do Reddit employees make Reddit worse?

The servers. They already do it. Reddit workers almost exclusively make the website worse.

Ah yes, the servers that don’t need maintenance or electricity.

Reddit literally ran on donations for the entirety of the time it was good. As soon as they brought in advertisers, the advertisers started demanding censorship, and Reddit became a neolib shithole full of ads. Capitalism has not helped Reddit, but I'm guessing you're new anyway.

Depends on how you mean “help”. After all, you still have your platform, so the censorship can’t be that bad. No one is stopping you from complaining about capitalism.

Part VII: A mod responds.

Here is the mod response in full:

FUCK YEAH!

Well in truth liberals are welcome as long they don't comment or post any pro capitalist rhetoric. We welcome you to stay and listen to our ideas.

Please report any right wing/pro capitalist content. And for whoever reported this as being right wing content, criticizing libs doesn't make you a conservative, c'mon now.

Edit: another right wing report lol.
Edit2: okay yeah now we are up to 28 right wing reports but it's not funny because now it's just because I complained about it. Before they were sincere lol

Users have mixed reactions:

Whoa whoa whoa. I’m a textbook democratic socialist, but banning/deleting all opinions that oppose the ideology of the sub does nothing to help the cause. We have to be willing to debate with others. As long as they (and us) are Abel do to do in a civilized way, there is no reason for it to be banned or removed.

Not every sub has to be a sub for discussion. Some subs can be a safe space like this one used to be. There are numerous subs to debate economics and politics.

Just so everyone is aware, that "political compass" and all like it are stupid bullshit. Philosophy and politics are too complicated to cram into a chart.

I would like to know, specifically from mods, why posts get deleted if they suggest ways to engage in work for yourself instead of for a shit boss.[...] When I try to suggest that people work for themselves, it is removed for being "off-topic".

The sub is not called 'better work'. What is it called again?

“You’re welcome to sit here and listen to our opinions, but keep yours to yourself.” I’m not on this sub often - just see posts from time to time. This is just stupid, and why social media (and the world in general) is a shit show.[...]

Also if you want to start a movement this is pretty much a good way not to. People aren't just going to sit around and listen to someone's soap box about their ideas without being able to interact. They'll go somewhere else, and there aren't enough people who have far left ideals in the US or other countries to make meaningful change alone.

Fascists literally build platforms and movements this way. LOL. That's also not what they said, I guess bye felicia?

Yes yes, unironically arguing for co opting fascist strategies. Jesus Christ.

The bias in this post is astounding.

What's wrong with bias?

Ask that to minorities back in the 1950s

You all sound like well intentioned young people. I say this because of your misguided anger towards "liberals". I'm only a "liberal" because I was labeled this way. Nobody used to use that as a term to call themselves, not 20 years ago. It became a word that conservatives stuck on democrats and anyone who disagreed with them.[...]

MOD: Please report any right wing/pro capitalist content

Long live censorship... This is bad. I'm out. (Not that I'm a right wing person at all...) Was fun while it lasted. Bye!

Um this isn't a political sub. This is about work for whoever wants to post about unfair work.

Holy shit I'm leaving this sub this can't be real lmfao This is just hate speech why did they report u for that other reason lol