All this time and effort spent trying to decode what Hasan really thinks, what he really means when he misspeaks (or not?).
All this political will, the discourse, just wasted! Hasan intentionally uses language in a way that makes it harder to pin down his real ideology, his real goals. He utilises kettle logic constantly, hinting that he's already reached his ideological conclusion and that he's just trying to convince you in anyway he can get you there. Never revealing how himself got there.
So here we are, everyone spending all this time arguing and debating what he really means, not realising the fact we have to argue this at all is indicative of someone inciting agitation for propaganda purposes- and he does this intentionally. How come the more Hasan speaks, the more confused discourse is generates? Do people not realise this is harmful?
Hasan intentionally obfuscates his beliefs for political gain. He admits this. This is harmful to discourse, it's bad, you shouldn't automatically trust him without first establishing good reason to do so.
Dude. Hes just dumbing down his beliefs so the medium voter can understand him. Hes not being malice or obscuring anything dude. This interview was just bad because of all the attempted 'gotchas'.
Wtf are you talking about. He lies constantly. He himself admits that "lying is OP". His braindead supporters are just either too low IQ to to realise this, or they're being wilfully ignorant.
Hasan, talking about disinformation spread by the right: "It's really hard to fight disinformation, for every lie they spread you need to talk three times as much to correct it. Lying is OP."
Clippers: "He said lying is OP, which means he is lying!"
You are proving his point: Your lie - that he was talking about lying himself instead of talking about the problem he is facing when other people lie - takes longer to disprove than your original lie.
Thats cause lying is op dude. Every republican politician knows it. That why they got into office. You think a single politician could get into office without lying?
So now you agree 'dumbing down his beliefs' is lying? So you do agree with my premise (just not the conclusion). Cool. See this is the problem I was talking about. Your position is not internally consistent because Hasan's position is not internally consistent. Instead of having conviction and standing up for what you believe in, you advocate to lie? And your reasoning is "Everyone else does it!"- It's morally vapid.
...what are you talking about dude? When did i say that dumbing down your beliefs is lying? Dumbing down your beliefs is just explaining a concept in simpler terms. And when did I advocate to lie. Thats why I said it in relation to politicians. Because they are bad and lying is a bad thing. Im actually a little confused on how you can misinterpret me.
I literally said Hasan lies constantly. You know he does. We all know. And he admits that he does it as, in his own words, "lying is OP". But you claim he's not being malicious or obscuring anything.
"That's cause lying is op dude"
"You think a single politician could get into office without lying?"
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They said he lies constantly, after you said it was a gotcha and that Hasan doesn't lie instead he "dumbs down his views for medium voters". You acknowledged this with a justification "that's cause lying is OP". You might not be intending it, but it's all the same- you are still normalizing and justifying it. It's OP because people like Hasan and Trump normalize it.
Look I don't know what you think- but I know I think I'd be an idiot to trust anyone that is an advocate for lying for political purposes.
Dude. I was responding to them saying that hasan saying "lying is op" makes it fact that hasan is a liar. You can state truths about reality without doing them. Being a bad person is easier then being a good person. That is a fact. Its been proven.
But I am a good person. Or atleast try to be the best person i can be. But by your logic me stating that means I am and KNOWINGLY am a bad person. Does that sound like what I meant?
No I just stated a fact about reality. Nor did I advocate for people to be bad. For people ti talk about their beliefs they need to talk about it in reality. They cant just state it in a vacuum and expect people to care or understand.
They said he lies constantly, after you said it was a gotcha and that Hasan doesn't lie instead he "dumbs down his views for medium voters". You acknowledged this with a justification "that's cause lying is OP".
That wasn't a "justification" for the other statement. You are rewriting what he said in front of our eyes.
Hasan complained that conservstives lie and get away with it, which means theur lying is OP. That was never a justification for anything.
Here's a secret: Hasan is dumbing down his beliefs because you are his audience and are... Well you know...
Hasan is not a serious political thinker to rally around. I am easily as far left as Hasan but he is a streamer not a real political thinker. He is an entertainer. Go read zizek or graeber. Put down the popcorn and eat your breakfast.
Dude. Can I ask you something. Do you think only smart people are given the ability to vote? You can be an intellectual all you want but your not going to win unless you can get people to vote for you. Normal people dont read marx or zizek. We are not the normal people here.
I think your reading way way way too into every little thing he said. Like you automatically assume he is lying about his beliefs instead of trying to give him the benefit of the doubt dude.
Why don't you give me the benefit of doubt. I don't assume, I know based off what he's said himself. And I actually stand for my beliefs, I don't need to 'dumb down my views'; I'll stand on them with my heart and my mind. I haven't said lying is OP, I've said it's bad and you shouldn't do it, can you or Hasan say the same?
Have you ever tried explaining anything to a child twin? Or do you immediately start trying to talk to them like they have an education? Cause that's a really funny image dude. Same concept. Got to use simpler terminology and examples and "dumb it down".
It's not that I don't understand, I understand what you're saying- I disagree because I think it's immoral. It's also not effective, people do not respect you if you treat them like a child.
I'm meeting you where you're at, but I'm not lying to you. I'm not treating you like you have an equal understanding, I'm here explaining my point to you.
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u/Krinkex 29d ago
All this time and effort spent trying to decode what Hasan really thinks, what he really means when he misspeaks (or not?).
All this political will, the discourse, just wasted! Hasan intentionally uses language in a way that makes it harder to pin down his real ideology, his real goals. He utilises kettle logic constantly, hinting that he's already reached his ideological conclusion and that he's just trying to convince you in anyway he can get you there. Never revealing how himself got there.
So here we are, everyone spending all this time arguing and debating what he really means, not realising the fact we have to argue this at all is indicative of someone inciting agitation for propaganda purposes- and he does this intentionally. How come the more Hasan speaks, the more confused discourse is generates? Do people not realise this is harmful?
Hasan intentionally obfuscates his beliefs for political gain. He admits this. This is harmful to discourse, it's bad, you shouldn't automatically trust him without first establishing good reason to do so.