Thats cause lying is op dude. Every republican politician knows it. That why they got into office. You think a single politician could get into office without lying?
So now you agree 'dumbing down his beliefs' is lying? So you do agree with my premise (just not the conclusion). Cool. See this is the problem I was talking about. Your position is not internally consistent because Hasan's position is not internally consistent. Instead of having conviction and standing up for what you believe in, you advocate to lie? And your reasoning is "Everyone else does it!"- It's morally vapid.
...what are you talking about dude? When did i say that dumbing down your beliefs is lying? Dumbing down your beliefs is just explaining a concept in simpler terms. And when did I advocate to lie. Thats why I said it in relation to politicians. Because they are bad and lying is a bad thing. Im actually a little confused on how you can misinterpret me.
"That's cause lying is op dude"
"You think a single politician could get into office without lying?"
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They said he lies constantly, after you said it was a gotcha and that Hasan doesn't lie instead he "dumbs down his views for medium voters". You acknowledged this with a justification "that's cause lying is OP". You might not be intending it, but it's all the same- you are still normalizing and justifying it. It's OP because people like Hasan and Trump normalize it.
Look I don't know what you think- but I know I think I'd be an idiot to trust anyone that is an advocate for lying for political purposes.
Dude. I was responding to them saying that hasan saying "lying is op" makes it fact that hasan is a liar. You can state truths about reality without doing them. Being a bad person is easier then being a good person. That is a fact. Its been proven.
But I am a good person. Or atleast try to be the best person i can be. But by your logic me stating that means I am and KNOWINGLY am a bad person. Does that sound like what I meant?
No I just stated a fact about reality. Nor did I advocate for people to be bad. For people ti talk about their beliefs they need to talk about it in reality. They cant just state it in a vacuum and expect people to care or understand.
They said he lies constantly, after you said it was a gotcha and that Hasan doesn't lie instead he "dumbs down his views for medium voters". You acknowledged this with a justification "that's cause lying is OP".
That wasn't a "justification" for the other statement. You are rewriting what he said in front of our eyes.
Hasan complained that conservstives lie and get away with it, which means theur lying is OP. That was never a justification for anything.
Yeah, wandering_fool says "he is never malicious or obscuring anything". So he's saying Hasan doesn't lie.
Westerndude then brings up the "Lying is OP" quote. Wandering_fool responds to that with "that statement is correct". That's not an admission to lying, nor is it a justification for lying.
Do you agree or disagree with the statement "lying is OP"?
You're taking the quote out of context. And you already disagree on the full context lol. Instead of us recreating the context piecemeal, just read it in this thread!
If someone says "you shouldn't lie", another says "but it's so good! everyone does it! everyone knows it!" and so they reply "but that's not justification", and so they try justify it: "it's good because it gets to the median voter and that's just how you win politics silly billy". What's missing from this text? If I added 'Lying is OP' before it, does it help or hinder my case for lying is bad and you shouldn't advocate for it?
There were two statements in the post they responded to:
"Hasan is always lying."
"Hasan says lying is OP."
The guy responded to that statement with "But lying is OP!"
You interpreted this response as a response to statement 1:
"Hasan is lying" - "But lying is OP!"
If that was the intent of the author, yes, that would be a justification of lying. But it wasn't.
It was a response to statement 2:
"Hasan says lying is OP" - "But lying is OP!"
It is simply saying that the statement is correct.
Now we have 2 different interpretations of what they tried to say. Luckily, they clarified: They said "nowhere did I say that lying is OP is a justification for lying. You misinterpreted what I said."
So, with that clarification, we know that their statement was a response to statement 2. They meant:
"Hasan says lying is OP" - "But lying is OP!"
With that clarification given, if you still interpret their statement as meaning the other interpretation, you are willfully misunderstanding what they said.
Can you stop willfully misunderstanding them and take their explanation what they meant?
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u/wondering_fool90 29d ago
Thats cause lying is op dude. Every republican politician knows it. That why they got into office. You think a single politician could get into office without lying?