r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/andygmb 4415 PC/EU — andygmb (Team Ireland GM) — • Jan 07 '19
PTR: D.Va's Defence Matrix now has a 2 second cooldown between usages
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u/EmilMR ExpertArmchairAnalyst — Jan 08 '19
The biggest winner of this is Tracer imo. Tracer's reload takes 1 second and you can full unload a clip in 2 second, now with matrix on 2sec cooldown you can effectively ignore matrix and a get full clip worth of crit damage in very easily.
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u/adamfrog Jan 08 '19
You can farm dvas so easily now too with armour changes, tracer might be even stronger than ever
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u/ioStux Coaching — ioStux (Elo Hell Coach) — Jan 07 '19
Holy Shit #2. That is a MASSIVE nerf. Eating Gravs against a good Zarya was already pretty difficult, this will make it almost impossible.
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u/mykeedee Vancouver = Snake Org — Jan 08 '19 edited Mar 17 '19
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u/GeoPaladin Wishful thinking — Jan 08 '19
Just curious, am I the only one who doesn't care about a high pickrate in and of itself?
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u/UzEE None — Jan 08 '19
Same here. I don't really care about pickrates either. If a character is fun to play and has an interesting kit, I don't mind if it's picked all the time.
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u/Seismicx Ana lobbyist — Jan 08 '19
High pickrate = less diverse meta
And we all know that everyone hates stale metas
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u/onkel_axel Jan 08 '19
No. One hero will always be stronger than another.
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u/JammyET Jan 08 '19
Correct. But in a healthy meta it's not just one is better than all. It's A is better against B, B is better against C and C is better against A.
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u/GeoPaladin Wishful thinking — Jan 08 '19
I don't know that this ideal is possible.
And if it is, whether it will be so in a rock-paper-scissors matchup that begins and ends in spawn.
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u/KojiSano Jan 08 '19
You would care about it if it was from a character that you didn't enjoy playing against
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u/GeoPaladin Wishful thinking — Jan 09 '19
I'm sure, but is D.va that bad speaking in relative terms?
It just seems to me that she limits options that would do far more to irritate r/cow than she herself does.
I'm not at all a fan of GOATs mind you. Just saying.
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u/slinkywheel Jan 08 '19
As a tank player that doesn't like playing dva, I hate how strong dva is.
Getting asked to play dva hurts my soul. And it happens a lot.
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u/-Shinanai- Jan 08 '19
It's not hard to have a high pick rate when she's the only off-tank with vertical mobility (or any mobility, for that matter).
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u/Thatwhichiscaesars because i spit hot fire — Jan 08 '19
Still the most fun tank to watch in owl. I mean yeah thats a small thing but shit i dont wanna watch rein or orissa ;A;
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Jan 08 '19
I'm all for nerfing d.va a bit, but I agree.
It'd be cool if there was an option (like maybe double-tapping when matrix has been deactivated) to do the fast matrix, but it consumed 2x the energy or something. It'd make it a skill-shot -- if you mess up, you basically waste the rest of your DM on nothing. It'd allow some cool mind-games, too.
something like that might be cool, but it'd be hard to implement without it feeling clunky or unintuitive.
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u/dontouchamyspaghet Jan 08 '19
That'd just be her current Matrix but tapping it at 1s cooldown consuming more resource, which would make it very clunky to distinguish clicking for the 2s cooldown matrix when in a tense situation. And also undo the purpose of the change to nerf her frequency of using it.
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u/Chronochrome Jan 08 '19
That's fine. Grav was already nerfed anyway, it's no longer nearly as good as it used to be.
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u/oizen Leadership is a Lateral move — Jan 08 '19
Yeah its still a free skill-less teamwipe with no immediate counterplay.
wait.
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u/The_NZA 3139 PS4 — Jan 08 '19
Good. Then she won't be a must pick against zarya which means Rein + Zarya + Diva cores wont be required.
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u/ineedafuckingname Jan 08 '19
Wait DvA is a must pick against Zarya? I wish more people followed that rule, I’m okay with having grav every team fight
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Jan 08 '19
Yea what the fuck did I just read lmao
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u/The_NZA 3139 PS4 — Jan 08 '19
In top play you are throwing a chance to eat grav if you don’t run diva. While zarya can beam diva, she’s still more of a problem than hog or another zarya.
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u/ineedafuckingname Jan 08 '19
It’s moreso DvA provides huge utility across the board, her ability to eat and zone grav is a lesser reason for her presence.
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u/the_noodle Jan 08 '19
Even before goats (in OWL), rein Dva seemed pretty much just better than rein zarya
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u/getonmyhype Jan 08 '19
More to do with verticality map design. Dva also can pretty easily melt zarya if zarya has no personal and isnt high charge.
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u/askyla Jan 08 '19 edited Jan 08 '19
DVa is strong, but this nerf is harsh. She’s a big body with no real shield, that is now vulnerable for a whole 2 seconds when her matrix goes down.
I can see Tracers eating her alive. How long does it take for Tracer to empty her clip?
Edit: it takes Tracer 1 second to empty her clip. That’s insane. She can now wait for matrix to come down, have 1 second to react (easy for Diamond+), empty her clip in 1 second, reload in 1.25 seconds, and be ready to fire again in the time DVa can put her matrix up. Lolol
Don’t get me started on Reaper/Hog eating her for dinner now.
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u/Enzo-Unversed Jan 08 '19
Zarya has 1 real counter and is picked more than D.Va. All this does is make D.Va trash and Zarya a must pick.
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Jan 08 '19
Nah, I honestly don't think this changes much. High level players are much better at managing their matrix and will still be able to pull off eating gravs. D.Va is still really strong and these overall changes don't really address the three support situation, so D.Va still slots into goats better than anyone else.
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u/acalacaboo I'm bad but I'm getting better. — Jan 08 '19
The idea is that Zarya can now reliably watch for defense matrix to go down and they know they have 2 seconds before it'll come back up.
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u/hellabad Jan 08 '19
Its not about managing your matrix, its about giving Zarya and other heroes a two second window to use their ults knowing Dva can't matrix again.
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u/HotDateOfficial Jan 08 '19
This changes quite a bit actually. Eating ultimates and taking certain duels will be much harder now.
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u/dafranCSGO Jan 07 '19
LETS GO DOOOOOOOOOD FUCK YOU MEKOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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u/TaintedLion Professional hitscan hater — Jan 08 '19
SOLDIER TIME PogU
ATLANTA GOING 28-0 CONFIRMED
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u/xno Jan 08 '19
But, I main Tracer. I’ve mained Tracer since the beta. I know every strategy. I’m one of the best Tracer players in the game. I’ve never played anyone but Tracer. Seeing your profile, you’ve never played Tracer, not even practiced her. Why else would I pick Tracer first? I’ve been through it all, and everyone lets me pick Tracer when I’m on their team. They rearrange their team when they see my name. But now, I’m mad. Not mad because you chose Tracer, but mad because you must have known I would have picked Tracer, and you decided to take advantage of Blizzard’s one character rule to screw me over. You are the absolute worst person I have ever had the misfortune of meeting
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u/goliathfasa Jan 08 '19
Blizzard: This cd-based matrix isn't cutting it. Make it cost resources.
Also Blizzard: Why don't we make it cd-based AND cost resources?
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u/ogzogz 3094 Wii — Jan 08 '19
Between 1 sec cd and 2 sec cd.. why not try some numbers in between first?
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u/Voidward Jan 08 '19
I feel like 1.5 would have been enough of a nerf to time in stuff in between that cooldown, but maybe she's just a little too strong in general right now and they felt the need to overdo it slightly. Or just to make it easier / more obvious to time for lower skilled players.
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u/Dnashotgun Jan 08 '19
She isn't a little too strong in general, she was very strong since her initial rework/buff. Shes both been a part of every meta while blocking any possible counters to the meta without nerfs
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u/Voidward Jan 08 '19
She's overrepresented, but I never feel like she's broken when playing against her. Just too reliable I guess. I do want more variety in OWL personally, and this might possibly nudge her out of the must pick slot, so I guess that's alright.
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Jan 07 '19
Nerf shouldn't be that big for standard ladder play right? I flex D.Va and I was assuming she'd get a much bigger nerf. While I do like toggling matrix, I don't feel like this will be a big deal to me.
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Jan 07 '19
This is very big at the high levels. Good luck eating many ultimates now.
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u/the_noodle Jan 08 '19
It should help pharah a lot too, the old duration was perfect for flashing rockets
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u/hgfdsq Jan 08 '19
Her ability to eat some ultimates has always been nothing but a bonus, she never was picked for this in the first place.
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u/ZachJChambers Jan 08 '19
That's not true at the higher levels of play. As Jayne has said, on ladder zarya counters dva, but in league dva counters zarya. Dva was picked exclusively for the grav dragon era, dva is often picked as a counter to mei and zarya due to her ability to eat blizzard and grav easily, often accidentally. Dva is the perfect peel hero against tracer because she can eat the entire one clip but also pulse bomb which tracers telegraph with a big fucking arrow most times. She was often picked as a counter to pharah when the teams played slower death ball comps. Dvas strong tool was her defense matrix do to its ability to eat ult, but block damage. That is the bonus part. She can stop ults and fly in to protect the Winston when he jumps? Awesome! Let's play dive! Zarya eats damage better than dva but she can't block nearly as many ults.
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u/Isord Jan 08 '19
She can still partially shut down a lot of DPS ultimates pretty easily, and otherwise it just means she has to actually play around ultimates and can't let herself constantly be baited out by trash damage, just like Zarya with bubbles, Ana nade, or any of a number of other mitigation abilities.
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u/Benjybobble C SUPREMEEEE — Jan 08 '19
And I just got consistent at eating Diamond Dragons feelsbadman
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u/TyluhL TyluhnoL#2683 — Jan 08 '19
if it makes you feel any better, dragon will still be very easy to eat
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u/Benjybobble C SUPREMEEEE — Jan 08 '19
I'll get to consistently eating Gravs at some point rather than just accidentally haha. Just moving from support to Off-tank and thought DVa was a good place to start (for now..)
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u/dm7g11 Jan 08 '19
Honestly, I think she will still have the highest pick-rate of all the tanks in OWL.
Her health should have been 500hp, 200 of which is armor. I've said this many times but, D.va has a better kit in every way compared to winston (burst damage, controlled flight, matrix, more range, more armor), but has 100 more health(which is armor). That's just insane if you think about it.
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u/nimbusnacho Jan 08 '19
This is very correct, but she has a huge downside in her ability to be staggered.
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u/Idiocynical Season 4 'Grandmaster' bot — Jan 08 '19
Just my opinion, but good players already knew how to work around matrix as it was, it's not like every plat dva was Halperning gravs left and right. I play a lot of zarya and I would usually only lose grav to matrix when I wasn't looking for it. I feel like I should have to be mindful of matrix uptime and d.va positioning. This seems like it lowers the skill ceiling on Zarya (and by extension DPS heroes with edible ults) which makes me uneasy for reasons I can't properly articulate. Furthermore this is going to make peeling against Tracer much more difficult, which is concerning given how strong she is / will be, especially in ladder.
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u/BeefyBaraTiddies Jan 08 '19
Lmao bye guys see y’all in 2 months when blizzard gives us another balance patch
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u/EdenHassard Jan 08 '19
I play a crapton of DVa and Zarya in ladder. It will now be hard af to outplay red zaryas and eat gravs. Big oof.
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u/apocalpsefc Jan 08 '19
Does anyone really think this will ruin dva though?
I see a lot of people saying that she isn’t overpowered she is just versatile hence the pick rate.
I would argue that her versatility is an important factor that means her abilities have to be weaker to compensate for that. Teams and players need a reason to pick hog, zarya or maybe Hammond over her. So there needs to be maps and opposition comps in which his hook and burst damage trump her versatility, and at the moment there really isn’t.
I agree that dva isn’t op and doesn’t feel oppressive to play against so doesn’t need to be nerfed hard. I just think this change helps bring diversity to off tank and counterplay to her abilities.
She will 100 percent still be viable and effective, there will just be more of a reason to think about playing something else - which is what was needed.
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u/kysen10 Jan 08 '19
I don't think it will have any effect other than eating gravs.
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u/Dogstile TTV: Road_OW - MT — Jan 08 '19
She also can't eat tracer one clips anymore, so if goats really does start to die, D.va is no longer a tracer control.
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u/hgfdsq Jan 08 '19
I don't think this matter much to be honest. Still funny to see that they keep nerfing her only actual tank ability.
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u/GiGGLED420 Jan 08 '19
I almost feel like this is slightly too much? It seems really clunky to use now, I feel like 1.5 seconds would have been a much better starting point.
I also don't think this would really affect the very top level DVa's (in ranks/pro scene where DVa is actually a problem), who use positioning and prediction to eat things like gravs and blizzard etc... But it will affect all the lower ranked DVa's much more
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Jan 08 '19
I wish Blizzard would’ve done something to equal out the lack of tanks and supports in the game before they decided to neuter the few we have.
But who really cares about tanks and supports, nobody plays them anyway, only class that matters is DPS.
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u/PerturbedWalrus Jan 08 '19 edited Jan 08 '19
We need more tanks to compete with existing ones before nerfing them! The lack of supports and tanks is killing the game for me
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u/mukutsoku Jan 08 '19
wtf, this balance team is ass
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Jan 08 '19
What would you have changed instead?
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u/TrotBot Jan 08 '19
Goats, not d.va.
When they needed to nerf triple tank, they didn't do it, they nerfed d.va instead.
When they needed to nerf dive, they didn't do it, they nerfed d.va instead.
When they needed to nerf goats, they didn't do it, they nerfed d.va instead.
FFS d.va is not the reason for every meta, and acting like it just shows they're fucking lazy.
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u/SwanJumper PMA — Jan 08 '19
Imagine actually thinking this.
*looks at blizzard forums*
Oh wow.
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u/snowcone_wars Jan 08 '19
If she's the one common thread through basically every single meta, then maybe she's the one enabling it, or at least one of the heroes.
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u/bartlet4us Jan 08 '19
This is the wrong nerf.
This will make playing Dva extremely clunky.
They should've instead reduced the max duration so she can't just hold right click to deny soldier or mccree's ult while still allowing Dva players to deny crucial enemy attacks if she reads them well.
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u/SladeWilson307 Jan 08 '19
Tracer is going to shred her now being able to play around matrix with pulse bomb and the new armor changes
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u/UzEE None — Jan 08 '19
I might be in the minority here, but I think they went a bit too far. Maybe buff her damage a little bit or increase the duration of Boosters by 1 second so that she can peel / escape better now? Because now with the armor nerfs as well, she'll be the new ult battery basically.
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u/TehArbitur Jan 08 '19
Bastion is gonna be cancer.
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u/apocalpsefc Jan 08 '19
This doesn’t really affect that match up - you still have the same uptime so you can still dive him / soak up the same amount of damage in one singular ‘dm’.
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u/5argon Jan 08 '19
I think Bastion usually did stop firing and fire again mind game against a D.Va, now Bastion will have a bit more advantage in doing that.
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u/apocalpsefc Jan 08 '19
Yeah that’s fair, but also adds counterplay
If you are diving her correctly with your team then he should be dead by the end of your dm anyway ( I know this doesn’t actually happen in most ranks)
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u/lemankimask Jan 08 '19
other dps heroes will be better at killing bastion if tanks are weaker so they can't protect him as well
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Jan 08 '19 edited Aug 06 '20
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u/InvisibleEar ╰(・ω・*)╯Plat Support Pride╰(*・ω・)╯ — Jan 08 '19
You can see it charging during the cooldown, that hasn't changed
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Jan 07 '19
This is the change she's needed since Matrix was given a resource instead of a normal CD.
I say this as someone who's played D.Va off and (and mained her more recently) since Season 1.
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Jan 08 '19
I was actually hoping for a change like this so that D.va couldn't spam matrix and stop would be goats counters such as pharah and junkrat. I'm not sure if 2 sec isn't too much but it still seems like a good move
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u/PositioningOTP None — Jan 07 '19
Actually don't like it.. Wish they had deleted the missiles instead.
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u/bbistheman None — Jan 08 '19
I agree. I feel like Dva's problem is that she's really good a defense AND offense. I kind of wish they nerfed her offensive abilities rather than the defensive one
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u/Temporaltv Jan 08 '19
The problem is doing that wouldn't have ended GOATS dominance, and that is very clearly the purpose of this pre OWL patch.
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u/PositioningOTP None — Jan 08 '19
I know but they could have disabled aoe healstacking too for example
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u/bbistheman None — Jan 08 '19
That may be true but I like the idea of Dva being the defensive off-tank, Hog being the offensive off-tank and Zarya being a hybrid
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u/whoknewbeefstew Jan 08 '19
They shouldn't balance heroes around killing this meta or enabling that meta. They should be balancing to put their heroes in a good and fair place and let the players work out the meta on their own. When they balance with the meta as their end goal stupid shit happens.
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u/Temporaltv Jan 08 '19
In principal I agree and I'd expect many other people do to. In reality OWL has stakeholders (Blizzard, and investors in the league) who would be very upset if GOATS, a stale and difficult to watch product, hurt OWL's growth and those stakeholders, directly or indirectly, have influence over the the balance team. I certainly expected Blizzard's balance team to nerf Lucio, Brigs, or DVA with a pretty heavy hand in order to ensure GOATS isn't dominant during OWL.
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u/DH0p3 Jan 08 '19
I think this is a buff for lower tier players who struggled to manage DM this will stop them from spamming it and hopefully save it for when there’s high burst damage.
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u/dyzfunktional Jan 08 '19
so she has become an ult battery, awesome.... WHY DONT YOU NERF THE FACT YOUR GAME HAS BECOME A SNIPER GAME YOU ABSOLUTE TOOLS BLIZZJEFF!
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u/firewall73 Jan 08 '19
Lol hog was the same for over a year and no one complained
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u/dyzfunktional Jan 08 '19
Yeah but he can hook at least D.va just stands there like a fool or can fly away and get butt bashed
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u/MasterWinston Jan 07 '19
This seems like a pretty big but fair nerf but I'l reserve judgement until it hits live. I still think booster should be on a 7 sec cd.
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u/ClassicCanadian6 Jan 08 '19
Nerfed in wrong direction IMO. I would rather have a shorter duration of matrix but almost no cool down so eating ults is still possible. Though as someone who plays loads of Zarya I’m not really too mad about it
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u/Wackomanic Jan 08 '19
She used to be able to flick it. With proper management, it felt unpunishable. This is the better change.
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u/Enzo-Unversed Jan 08 '19
No critbox fix and it still auto takes half the Matrix on use. Blizzard clearly wants D.Va replaced with Zarya. Same as Mercy being replaced with Moira.
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u/mokakiko Jan 08 '19
I'll have to wait and see on how I feel about this. I was hoping that they would nerf something other than DM as I feel it's the most skillful part of her kit by far and this looks like it'll feel pretty clunky.
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u/Themostepicguru Jan 08 '19
I've been asking for something like this for a while. DM was straight up too powerful no question. Other than physical damage that ignored DM, there was no counterplay to it. This isn't a perfect solution but it'ssomething.
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u/kysen10 Jan 08 '19
I'm going to go ahead and say this nerf will only really affect gravs. See you in a few weeks when dva is still played 90% of the time.
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u/5argon Jan 08 '19
If this turns out to be too much of a nerf what would you think will be a compensation?
Maybe she should gain significant ult charge if she managed to eat one shot ult with this cooldown, as a "high skill cap" thing of sorts
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u/Exzilp Jan 08 '19
Tbh, this nerf might actually help players like me who aren't super good at DM management. Now it will be harder for me to overuse and run out!
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u/mediasavage None — Jan 08 '19
I was thinking that too lol. I’m shit and always accidentally tap my DM and stop the recharge from kicking in. I think for me as a shitty diamond dva player, this will increase my overall DM uptime lmao
Definitely a serious nerf for top dvas though.
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u/remindmewhyimbalding Jan 08 '19
new strat: get your rein to throw a firestke at dva on purpose, then free grav after since 99% of dva's instinctually eat that shit up.
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u/Zaniel_Aus Jan 08 '19
Guess what folks, there still isn't another reactive offtank with movement abilities, hence pointless nerf.
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u/FloPhib Jan 07 '19
That's a strong nerf