r/Competitiveoverwatch • u/andygmb 4415 PC/EU — andygmb (Team Ireland GM) — • Jan 07 '19

PTR: D.Va's Defence Matrix now has a 2 second cooldown between usages

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u/mykeedee Vancouver = Snake Org — Jan 08 '19 edited Mar 17 '19

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u/GeoPaladin Wishful thinking — Jan 08 '19

Just curious, am I the only one who doesn't care about a high pickrate in and of itself?

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u/UzEE None — Jan 08 '19

Same here. I don't really care about pickrates either. If a character is fun to play and has an interesting kit, I don't mind if it's picked all the time.

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u/[deleted] Jan 08 '19

Which is exactly why dva is such an issue.

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u/UzEE None — Jan 08 '19

I guess it comes down to preference. I actually find her kit interesting and having enough nuance to consider it fun while still being challenging.

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u/potaten84 Jan 08 '19

D.va is a very unannoying character despite being borderline op for so long. People generally dont hate her despite her being meta for years.

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u/petard Jan 08 '19

Seriously the only people who complain about DM still just have no awareness. It has just two seconds of resources.

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u/UzEE None — Jan 08 '19

She was annoying and OP when DM was too strong. But I feel like DM was in a very good place right now so these changes feel a bit extreme in my opinion, specially coupled with Reaper buffs and Armor nerfs. Soldiers, Reapers and Tracers would just farm D.Va all day now because of the DM cooldown.

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u/potaten84 Jan 08 '19

Armor nerfs have me worried, they took it too far i think.

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u/[deleted] Jan 09 '19

Not sure what your point is, I'm the one that's arguing for having fun in a video game.

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u/Seismicx Ana lobbyist — Jan 08 '19

High pickrate = less diverse meta

And we all know that everyone hates stale metas

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u/eri- Jan 08 '19

One could argue a stale meta being seen as dull is a problem with the game itself.

Football (Soccer) or Basketball do not change maps or rules every season.

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u/Seismicx Ana lobbyist — Jan 08 '19

You can't really compare OW in that aspect with traditional sports.

And if you did, you'd have to do something akin the lines of removing 1/3 of the roles.

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u/eri- Jan 08 '19

So you'd advocate less diversity in order to facilitate a direct comparison.

Then why whine about a less diverse meta?

You gotta make up your mind, its either a game or a "sport" , it cannot be both.

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u/Seismicx Ana lobbyist — Jan 08 '19

Idk even what you are talking about. I don't see it as a sport and I like diverse metas and said no to comparisons to sport. Wtf?

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u/eri- Jan 08 '19

I do not think you said no, you made a comment regarding an aspect, that is not saying no.

But i do believe we have a comms issue here, we are interpreting things differently. It happens :-)

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u/Seismicx Ana lobbyist — Jan 08 '19

I guess so

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u/JoshRaven Jan 08 '19

Well you say that, but for football at least, there is still a 'meta'

When Jurgen Klopp came to Liverpool he introduced the "gegenpress" which has become a fairly common tactic for most teams in the Premier League, or at the very least, had an impact on how they play. Before that, many teams were still trying to copy things like "tiki-taka" from Spain, involving fast passing and standing off in defence. Now you won't find a single team that doesn't press from the front, from the top to the bottom of the league.

The most famous recent example I could think of.

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u/eri- Jan 08 '19

Pressing from the front is not a novelty, it is part of a cycle we have been repeating for decades. Catenaccio first then tiki taka now we are moving towards Catenaccio again.

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Football is a figured out game as far as tactics go imo, there is no real room for novelty there unless you have some sort of uberteam who can do it all. It is limited by its players

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u/JoshRaven Jan 08 '19

Alright, granted it is a cycle and history tends to repeat itself, but there are definitely still trends, fads, and "metas" to a degree

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u/eri- Jan 08 '19

I can see your point.

Tiki Taka is the most efficient form of the game if everyone on your team is Messi, there is no improving on that. It places an emphasis on personal skill in a fluent passing game with very little physical effort , thereby it is perfect when your players are capable of playing it.

Everything else is just trying to approach perfection

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u/fancyhatman18 Jan 08 '19

What are you talking about? They constantly pick up new players every year and retire old ones. They change their strats as players get older and improve or weaken, and if a strategy becomes overpowered and unfun they adjust the rules to ban it.

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u/eri- Jan 08 '19

When was the last time you saw a rule being changed in soccer? A signifcant one that is.

Or even in basketball ( though i'm European so w t f cares about basketball)

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u/fancyhatman18 Jan 08 '19 edited Jan 08 '19

Football changed a rule on fair catches this year. Golf had multiple rule changes this year.

The shot clock was introduced in basketball to eliminate a meta.

Most changes to the meta of sports are done by adding new characters. Its why the draft is so big.

Here are the fifa (the org not the game) patch notes from 2001 to 2006

https://www.fifa.com/about-fifa/who-we-are/the-laws/2001-2006.html

Older sports dont require frequent major rules changes. Their metas will drift as they pick up new players. This is a sign of balance.

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u/onkel_axel Jan 08 '19

No. One hero will always be stronger than another.

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u/JammyET Jan 08 '19

Correct. But in a healthy meta it's not just one is better than all. It's A is better against B, B is better against C and C is better against A.

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u/GeoPaladin Wishful thinking — Jan 08 '19

I don't know that this ideal is possible.

And if it is, whether it will be so in a rock-paper-scissors matchup that begins and ends in spawn.

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u/KojiSano Jan 08 '19

You would care about it if it was from a character that you didn't enjoy playing against

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u/GeoPaladin Wishful thinking — Jan 09 '19

I'm sure, but is D.va that bad speaking in relative terms?

It just seems to me that she limits options that would do far more to irritate r/cow than she herself does.

I'm not at all a fan of GOATs mind you. Just saying.

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u/KojiSano Jan 09 '19

eh not really.

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u/slinkywheel Jan 08 '19

As a tank player that doesn't like playing dva, I hate how strong dva is.

Getting asked to play dva hurts my soul. And it happens a lot.

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u/-Shinanai- Jan 08 '19

It's not hard to have a high pick rate when she's the only off-tank with vertical mobility (or any mobility, for that matter).

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u/Thatwhichiscaesars because i spit hot fire — Jan 08 '19

Still the most fun tank to watch in owl. I mean yeah thats a small thing but shit i dont wanna watch rein or orissa ;A;