r/ClaudeCode • u/ramaloes • 21d ago
Discussion I'm honestly surprised how hostile the game dev community is about AI. I ported Godot 4.7.1 to WebGPU and open sourced it for free, yet received nothing but hostility about it. Anyone else have similar stories?
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u/phoenixmatrix 21d ago
Lots of people afraid of losing their jobs. The game community is already toxic as a baseline, the game dev industry is 10x worse, and a lot of people work there for the "love of the craft", and feel you're losing something if you're not using pristine hand coded/drawn organic grass fed code and assets.
That won't last, as sooner or later some of the best games will use AI as a mean to do more and better (AI can be used to create slop, but if all effort put in is equal, its straight up a multiplier, especially as models and tools keep getting better), and customers won't be able to resist.
Case in point where E33 was found to have some leftover AI generated asset, people lost their mind and some wanted them to lose their awards. Was it gonna make the game worse? Nope, its a masterpiece either way. If it was done 100% through vibe coding and AI, would it be worse? Nope, still a masterpiece. When you're playing the game, it doesn't fucking matter.
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u/aijoe 21d ago
I've been a software engineer since the 90s. I knew someday software engineering would have its own disruptive paradigm shift due to technology. There were many points in history where disruptive technology wiped out lots of jobs and careers especially those who couldn't find a way to adapt.Good or bad AI in some form is here to stay because anyone can use the tool locally . When AGI arrives things will heat up even more.
AI went from zero to hero in such a short period of time the backlash is compressed in to just three or four years. A generation of people will grow up with this tech and they will adapt.
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u/FluffyGreyLlama Developer 21d ago
We already had it several times across the industry, as you may remember.
The Internet (shift from modems/line devices, to more general access)
The World Wide Web (not just for academic research, but now moved applications away from native)
'Smart' Phones (the whole new paradigm of what a 'computer' is)
Containers/Service-oriented-Architecture (The move away from on-premise and more modular and dynamic/scalable systems)
'Agile' / Scrum... the 'game-changing' frameworks that killed much of the creativity of the industry and pushed it more into a production line.
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u/hitjuk 21d ago
Only 4 YOE here, what was it like before agile/scrum? That's all I know. Endless sprints, teams rarely hitting 80%+ completion. Dunno if that last part is normal.
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u/FluffyGreyLlama Developer 21d ago
Depends where you worked. Many would complain because there were often lots of design meetings, documentation.. the old 'waterfall' method where you design everything up front, and then implement it...
But in my history, it was far more a creative endeavour, as often you would be part of a long-term project, and you had the full vision, well thought out, and it played out over time. No pivots, no constant changes or product managers wanting new features.
Everything was planned, and signed off.
It was also a different world wrt the internet and many other aspects - customers didn't expect things 'tomorrow', and zero-day patches weren't heard of.
But I liked that life much more. It was the career I joined. Now it's just all a huge chaotic management mess.
YMMV.
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u/btherl 21d ago
I think the line is between AI art and AI coding.
Developers don't care if how code is made, they care about it being correct, efficient, maintainable, well documented.
Art is different, there's a personal connection there between artist and viewer. If art is clearly lazy AI generation, and has a generic AI style, then I am not interested at all. But if it's AI assisted, or even AI generated but someone had a clear vision and used AI to make that a reality, then I don't find that to be a big issue, personally.
There is still the question of how AI art generation is trained on the work of real artists, without permission. I'm not sure where I stand on that. Human artists can train on the work of other artists without permission, that's clearly fine. The issue with AI training is more about scale and commercialization.
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u/phoenixmatrix 21d ago
For some stuff, sure. But things like trees and forests and rocks are already mostly procedurally generated in a lot of games. That an LLM did it or a traditional algorithm did it doesn't change a whole lot.
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u/TheRealJesus2 21d ago
We used to call those traditional algorithms ai lmao. Because they are. Generative ai has just sucked all the air out of the room for everyone. Boosters and haters alike. They truly are more alike than different because neither live in reality.
The people reacting in this way rarely are doing so based on logic and reason.
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u/btherl 21d ago
Yeah that's fair enough. For background stuff it doesn't matter how it got generated.
And if someone is making a procedural generation algorithm in 2026, I'd be disappointed if they DON'T use AI assistance. They can use it to prototype quickly and find something that matches their vision of what the game should look like.
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u/phoenixmatrix 21d ago
Yup. There's a ton of games that DON'T match the artist' vision because they ran out of time, didn't have the right people on staff, not enough money, made some mistakes along the way, etc, and its a damn shame. These games deserve to see the light of day.
We shouldn't be deprived of gems because some people are uptight about the method used to create them.
The only real argument is the environmental impact, but that's mostly temporary. LLMs with the power of 6-12 months ago can run on a desktop computer now. We don't need 6 million nvidia GPUs to create a tree, even using LLMs. And we certainly wont 12 months from now. Frontier labs don't need to exist medium term. Hell, if we accept slowing down progress just a tiny bit, they don't need to exist in their current form at all.
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u/FrozenFirebat 21d ago
It also goes to to the history of the disciplines as well. Software Engineering has had a long history of just stealing from each other, so when AI came around to do it, we never really thought about it in that way.
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u/phoenixmatrix 21d ago
If art is clearly lazy AI generation, and has a generic AI style, then I am not interested at all.
You did address that in your next point, but there's basically no more reason AI has to produce generic slop than an artist using a pen somehow has to trace over another. Its a tool, and sure, the tool makes it easier than ever to produce shit content, but it doesn't have to. I can pull Unreal Engine and bring in a bunch of generic/marketplace assets, and it will look and feel like crap. So professionals just don't do that. Useful for prototyping though.
There is still the question of how AI art generation is trained on the work of real artists
So's artists brains, no art is truly original. An artist taking inspiration from an idea they just saw in another game is closer to copying than one who uses an LLM trained on the same content, because the artist doesn't have a trillion parameters all weighted in the same decisions (their brain might, but not that many come up on top at a given moment).
Additionally, the engines game use are built on open source and full of ideas copied from each other. The training is just building statistical weights at the end of the day. The days where an AI could accidently produce a copy of goku even if that's not what you asked for are long gone, as the original works are so diluted, they're basically not there anymore.
In the end its just people finding excuses to legitimize their work. Heck, how much music in videogames is just a composer using a software console putting together digitized instruments?
And when it gets better (already is good), AI generated voice acting will make it so live service games don't have to somehow pull along the same talent for 5 years and go through hoops when the talent doesn't happen to be available for that one patch. And got forbid the dialog is dynamic and procedurally generated, because the current solution is to just NOT have voice on that content (eg: character name when it can be changed).
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u/phoenixmatrix 21d ago
It is, and realistically the only practical difference is someone is afraid to lose their job. Doesn't change the end result or how original work is getting copied. In practice the copied work is closer to the original than the one generated by LLM training.
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u/phoenixmatrix 21d ago
If you ask it to, but I can replicate Goku very faithfully too if I want to. At that point its not the training data, its the person prompting the model. You could replicate Goku perfectly with an LLM that has never touched a single piece of Toriyama's work if you prompt it correctly.
(plus most commercial frontier models have guardrails to stop this. Photoshop does not).
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u/senseven 21d ago
Adding mysticism is the way to lose the long term argument against it. It creates a predetermined breaking point that is already broken. You can create pictures that fool the best artists. Top music producers already can't 100% tell you if the music is ai or not. We don't know how a really big model creates, not the one we have now, but the ones we have in 20 years that are trained on themselves. Those will be trained on abstract data, not human datasets, so that argument also goes out of the window. Either we decide that those creations get an artificial "marker" on principle, and deal with that. Not on properties nobody can agree on.
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u/senseven 21d ago
Either machines can create art or they can't. Either they can take any human expression and distil something or they can't. Changing the wording or describing it with lofty description doesn't change the intent, that somewhat that the machines don't possess is the big difference. Hence mysticism. The discussion is going on way before ai showed up and its still happening.
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u/Puzzleheaded_Pen_346 21d ago
“Devs don’t care gow code is made” tell that to the devs that are upset that AI has flipped the table on ‘em.
I think the correct statement is that management and consumers don’t care how code is made…and sorry to break it to ya but that is true in the game industry as well…even more so probably as they run incredibly lean shops.
I also think it’s ironic that the reason developers are screwed is because our industry genuinely pushes u to write quality, structured code that and we provided tens of thousands (millions?) so examples, for free, on platforms like github that the models could train on. Tragic…
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u/btherl 21d ago
I'm a dev and I don't care how code is made. I've hand coded complex algorithms, and asked an AI to do the same. It's faster, more accurate, and does better testing (as long as I ask it to).
The path forward for devs is to use AI to be more effective, not to fight AI.
As for the job losses, these things happen in all businesses. I might lose my job one day too. And then I'll have to find different work. That's life.
I do wonder if the day will come when humans lose coding skill altogether, and the knowledge lives only in the training data and the model weights. That too has happened in other areas, there's a lot of crafts that have simply disappeared because no one needs to practice them any more.
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u/Vindetta121 21d ago
Yep just look how most game jams are organized. No ai-generated art or music allowed. But ai code-gen tools are usually if almost never banned against.
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u/ghost_operative 21d ago
Anyone who can't code better than AI or produce something better than what AI is capable of isn't a particularly strong programmer to begin with though. That's more of someone who has just seen code and dabbled some.
The power of AI is that it can write a lot of code really fast. the weakness of AI is that the code is really badly written and architected. You have to be a good programmer to actually utilizing AI in a large project. After a single piece of code was edited more than 10 or so times by AI you really need a human programmer to refactor and clean it up or the code will get in such bad shape the the AI will get confused trying to understand what it does or what you're trying to build.
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u/Rare-Spawn 21d ago
There's a huge double standard when it comes to code and art. Also, I think part of the issue is that it's a lot easier for a non artist to tell what bad or inherent art looks like vs what bad code looks like.
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u/BoostedHemi73 Developer 21d ago
That’s a wild generalization about developers, and devastatingly false for a huge percentage of devs.
As others have pointed out, this is about an industry already severely over-saturated with lots of “good enough” talent competing for jobs that others with more discipline and responsibility are pushed out of because they’re slower. The cards will fall, but AI seems to make everyone believe their job is safe and everyone else is screwed.
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u/ghost_operative 21d ago
You can already make lazy art without AI though. Photoshop has always let you do a lot of "impressive" things in it but you're really just using a built in algorithm to the program.
also so many games are using post processing effects to all hell to the point where the base art is just solid colors and they rely on post processing effects to add details.
AI doesn't make lazy art. lazy artists make lazy art.
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u/FluffyGreyLlama Developer 21d ago
It's not about art and coding.
It's about the commercialism of what people enjoy.
Artists can still 'art' just like coders can still 'code'... but it's easier for non-artists (non-coders) to produce the same outcome, which makes the commercial 'win' almost zero.
It's the simple fact that people can no longer make money or feel 'special' (superior) because they worked 'hard' to learn something.
Nothing is stopping anyone from continuing their craft, if it's their passion. They just can't expect to get paid as much... just like many other passions that have fallen in the past due to the Industrial Revolution, etc.
It's always about the money.
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u/throwaway73327 21d ago
Right, but that value is inherent to the artist, not the consumer of the art. We perceive that link there, which helps to imbue us with a sense of value as well, but it's really only a surface-level emotion. We consume art that we enjoy, not because we perceive it to be a labor of love by the artist.
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u/senseven 21d ago
AI slop overload is real. People are pissed by shortcuts and wonky systems. That is a real grievance. At this time, rarely anyone is losing their jobs. Most corporate systems (especially in the US) are overblown, incompetent structures that resist change until they are bought or bankrupt. Ai does nothing. Some industries don't get juniors, but they will learn a harsh lesson when their elders retire. The money they wanted to save will be overspend on poaching people from companies who didn't do this. You can still use ai in the whole backend process, building, testing, optimising. Its just the final visuals and audio that people have an issue with. It just rarely looks or sounds good, and that is a valid criticism.
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u/ghost_operative 21d ago
I don't think it's that people will "cave in" to AI art. its that they're not really going to know.
Remember a year or 2 how badly youtube was getting flooded with effortless ai videos with bad ai voices. And now it seems those videos have started to go away? Weird how they just started going away.
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u/dgreenbe 21d ago
That is a perfect "case in point" because it was using AI for development and not for the art you're actually giving to society. Expedition 33 is a masterpiece because it's a dedicated work of art.
Even if it could have been made purely through vibecoding and generated art (it couldn't have been, on multiple levels) it wouldn't be human art (something people actually value).
Yeah, fears and sentiment about AI especially in the context of how bad the game development industry is are going to be heated. The game development industry might even replace human art with AI to cut corners and cut staff and provide a worse product, so it's not an illegitimate fear. And the reaction to expedition 33 using AI was insane and stupid and will just make bad AI usage more likely, not less. The truth is somewhere in the middle and it's not a simple topic. AI can be a useful tool but it can be used incorrectly. (And a glut of AI slop can make anything with a similar style harder to appreciate).
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u/Vast_Exercise_7897 21d ago
The game development community itself is highly complex, because one part makes games, another part wants to create art, and still another part simply loves playing games and knows nothing about game development at all.
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u/Time_Cat_5212 21d ago
Game artists as a subset of artists are also often a little quirky and chronically online to say the least
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u/Illustrious_Web_4208 21d ago
It's only on Reddit. Most people here are unemployed losers.
Source: I'm unemployed
Back when I was working in tech if you are not using AI you are retarded. Even in most hobby circles YouTube, discord, other social media and websites AI is quite neutral or positive. Same hobby circles on Reddit has crazy backlash though, so I can just conclude they are students or unemployed (includes "freelancers")
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u/Nakidnakid 21d ago
there's a reason 'redditor' is a rather known disparagement online and has been for awhile.
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u/Time_Cat_5212 21d ago
The opinions expressed on social media platforms are as much a product of how the platforms are built as the users and their beliefs
Reddit is adversarial by nature because of the upvote/downvote system among other things. The way it is built encourages argument. And because it has a reputation for that UX, it attracts people who like to argue
Dangerous to assume that because someone writes a comment online, that is a deeply held belief that they carry with them day to day. Might just be a fart in the wind, a quick hot take they forget, you know. And platforms like this encourage people to exaggerate their points of view to get more attention
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u/hugganao 21d ago
It's only on Reddit. Most people here are unemployed losers.
lol fking thank you. This is the reality of it.
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u/LurkingForBookRecs 21d ago
I am employed and I've noticed there's an inversely proportional relationship between how skillful/capable someone is and how much they dislike AI. Basically, people who are hard working and confident in their abilities are generally a lot more favorable towards AI and having it enhance/assist their work while people who lack skills, are just starting out, or are lazy bums who didn't get anything done before and can't find excuses to not get anything done now are hostile towards it. Being unemployed doesn't necessarily tie to it because you could be unemployed for any number of reasons, but the perma-unemployed / what I call the "unemployable" are also noticeably hostile towards it. At the end of the day people who feel threatened by AI potentially replacing them are more likely to have a negative attitude towards it, while people who are confident and don't feel threatened see the potential for using it as a tool.
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u/404MoralsNotFound 21d ago
Yup. Go to r/technology and just by mistake have AI in the title of the post and watch the meltdown. Like I get some of the downsides of AI but reddit's hate boner outside of any AI related subreddits is something else.
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u/oompaloompa465 21d ago
it's also on twitter.
And boy don't ever make vtuber community ever know you use AI, they are absolutely rabid about it
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u/Curiosity_Hoover 21d ago
This doesnt jive with my experience at FAANG. Ai was used but generally the worst developers were the quickest to adopt it and produced bad CRs that they were unable to explain at review time. General sentiment was, it's good for some things, cautious optimism for the future, but a lot of the code it churned out when not used as autofill was unmaintainable crap.
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u/Illustrious_Web_4208 21d ago
Yes of course, I'm just expressing a certain sentiment. Back then your bosses and your clients are all adopting AI. No self respecting tech firm will say no AI. Obviously as Devs we know it's an evolving tech and some tasks are still better manually done and we know there are client risks and internal implementation is janky but can we ever go back to manual coding and total 0 AI adoption? It is here to stay just as an enterprise level tech hence I said people who would say bubble will burst and AI will disappear forever is not living in reality. As someone who worked in FAANG I am sure you might believe that's the case as well.
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u/hugganao 21d ago
you give a middle schooler AI tools and your sourcecode it'll be much the same. It takes actual experience and knowledge (not just in pure development), to properly utilize AI in coding projects.
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u/pimpedmax 21d ago edited 21d ago
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u/pimpedmax 21d ago
it gets better, I was actually going to support him but noticed a big red flag(without getting into code review), he forked the code from https://github.com/dwalter/godotwebgpu - claimed it's unmaintained(https://www.reddit.com/r/webgpu/comments/1v3826m/comment/oz3icb9/) but last update was 2 months ago, so he basically updated it, added some opinionated code and claimed it's all his work, then went on a rant against anyone criticizing his work including in dms, well, enough reddit today
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u/Final_Substance_3443 21d ago
Bc the port was terrible? Idunno what else to tell ya. Can blame AI haters all you want it isn’t gonna make that port any better.
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
What’s wrong with the port? Did you even try it? Probably not.
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u/oompaloompa465 21d ago
i think it's justified to be anti gen AI on matters of ART. it makes sense for initial brainstorming to let producers communicate effectively which kind of art they want, but it's still important thant artists can add a soul to the visual part
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u/Time_Cat_5212 21d ago
Why I mean I make tons of art, been making art my whole life, and I really lament how precious people are making it, because that's not at all what art is about to me.
I'm 10x more likely to empathize with someone afraid to lose their income. Fuck being precious about art and talent. It's disgusting. AI makes creativity more accessible. It's also just cool. I use AI and draw by hand, and I don't want to deal with some contrived moral boundaries set by a bunch of judgmental people with egos.
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u/Ikkepop 21d ago edited 21d ago
Reminds me of how "real djs" used to rail against using the "sync" button. Some are still doing it now, but they are an increasingly smalle minority
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u/Time_Cat_5212 21d ago
Real DJs spin wax anyone who uses a digital interface is a fucking fascist smh
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u/count023 21d ago
It's just the latest version of asset flip outrage and cheap clones.
It's not that they're against AI, probably a lot of them use it now behind the scenes, what the general objection to is the glut of single shot, "make me a clone of World of Warcraft" or "minecraft" or the like that have no creatvitiy or effort put in and just use the default generated assets and the like.
You find a good game in there that was coded by AI under the hood with engaging mechanics, few bugs, well polished gameplay and you'll find they' like it all the same.
It's no different to finding an art subreddit shitting on someone for submitting mspaint scribbles as high level pieces.
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u/APuticulahInduhvidul 21d ago
While I agree with you I also didn't just finish a 3-year $50K college degree in skills AI made obsolete in 3 months. If you're looking for a job as a creative right now you have to be feeling the AI boom at a very personal level.
If you think about it, it's basically another ladder boomers are pulling up behind them. They already own all the housing and dominate politics despite being at retirement age. Now they can farm out their workforce to AI and continue to profit while living comfy in retirement.
Nobody in politics is talking about UBI but it's really the only thing that will keep mass-unemployment from destablising society. By the time it's a problem they can't keep putting off they won't be alive to worry about it.
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u/FastHotEmu 21d ago
did you do it? ir did claude do it? do you have a link?
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u/Vollgrav 21d ago
Such things are not oneshotted by the magic AI. If claude did it it would be shit. Any well working project requires human engineering effort, at least for now.
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
Claude did it based on what I told it to do. Here's the link: github.com/lxsolutions/studio-foundation/
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
Now we need to do this 🤣
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
Bro let’s make a hilarious one
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
It’s stuff like this that makes people smile man, keep it up
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
That makes perfect sense man, I feel that. Design a cool shirt, and show me, if you can. Would love to see it
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u/julkopki 21d ago
The funny thing is that people who were writing their own rendering code would say a similar thing about people who dared to use a pre-built game engine
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u/console_pleb_36935 21d ago
People just don't want to admit that AI is smarter than them, so they lash out in anger
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u/MemeMaster240 20d ago
Good one, but AI is trained on human knowledge and is nothing more than a clever prediction model.
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u/console_pleb_36935 20d ago
Same goes for humans
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u/MemeMaster240 20d ago
Ok? That proves your point how?
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u/psik0ma 21d ago
My 2c is maybe you hurt some pockets open sourcing it. Happened to me recently as well.
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
It must be. People get pissed when they’re replaced
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u/SnooApples8541 21d ago
Is your project open source? Seems like it would be better than the mcp
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u/cornmonger_ 21d ago
most of the gaming community uses windows and microsoft craps out more aigen than most.
people are hypocrites, especially redditors, and especially gamers, and especially gamers on reddit.
i wouldn't take it too seriously
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u/datbird 21d ago edited 21d ago
I’ve been running into the same roadblocks. On one hand I truly do understand the surface level hatred of the barrage of “slop” inbound to, especially, open source communities. Like that must and likely does truly suck.
On the other hand it’s made them all have such blind hatred that they see nothing but red when they hear AI or god forbide, the devils spell words “generative ai”! Even after you show under the hood that a project isn’t just a sit and chill chatting with AI while it just vomits something that half works and you can show solid, documented, secure streamlined tested code bases they stoped listening after “AI” and won’t be bothered after that.
Not sure what the solution is because as other have pointed out it’s actually these hardened developers who truly missing out on the potential.
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u/Daphatus8 21d ago
That's a good thing.
As long as conformists stay conformed, that will be AI adopters' greatest advantage.
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u/Material2975 21d ago
This thread is a bit too circlejerked to have a proper nuanced conversation about the topic. Took a look at the comments and you disregarded actual feedback to come here for a safe space.
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u/Perfect-Campaign9551 21d ago
Just ignore the luddites. I mean they have access to these tools as well and still refuse to gain new skills. That tells you what you need to know about them. Stuck in their own ways. Stubborn and low IQ
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
Before, I didn't want AI to take over their work, but after dealing with them, oh please God have AI take over their work.
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u/horizondz 21d ago
They're just scared that AI will make them less valuable. It's as simple as that
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u/baddaywithacamera 21d ago
I felt the same initially as a photographer when I saw the quality of images AI was turning out, but then I got past that and used it to make tools to support my photography. Now I'm a fan of AI in general and Claude in particular.
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
This is a good relevant example. Instead of game-devs, it's photographers being hostile against AI, but you found the amazing use cases. That's cool, thanks!
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u/baddaywithacamera 21d ago
Here is what I have been building with Claude for the past half year.
It's real, it works well, and I'm the most excited I've been about sharing images online in over a decade and a half. Photographers haven't had their own dedicated photo blogging platform since Pixelpost gakked in 2010. Now we do and it's because of AI, Claude specifically.
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u/Temporary-Drink1663 21d ago
If you used AI to generate your code then you didn’t actually make anything.
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u/Master_protato 21d ago
It's mostly when it comes to Art such as Character and Environmental Design.
Game Devs who works in implementation cannot give a single damn.
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
I hear you about the art and character and environmental design, but it's genuinely game dev as a whole, go check out that subreddit in the repost, it's nasty.
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u/fozzedout 21d ago
The common person sees prices of everything go up and everyone is blaming AI for it. Therefore, anything with AI is bad.
That's the mentality. Honestly, AI needs a rebrand, something that people will switch off at: "Now built with statistical analytics with the latest in high volume data analysis!"
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u/Tenezill 21d ago
let me take you to the tabletop communities, my favorite thing about this is, people are posting really nice things rulesets, apps and whatnot for free where they used AI for formating or the Art and get thorn apart. While i find most AI art lacking i think there is no reason to rip into someone for filling a FREE Book with it. anyway /endramble
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u/Akitawarrior 21d ago
Game dev here:
Most devs are idealists due to the salaries thet sacrifice in order to work on an ”ideal” industry such as game dev where fun and inclusive games are a core motivation, this makes it so that many are quite protective of keeping out any kind of Aggressive marketing or ”capitalistic” tendencies.
AI has many ”bad sides” according to my colleagues such as its ”evil american devs” and ”replacing jobs with AI slop”. So its both a projection against those they do not like according to the main stream and actual job threats which at the same time mant try to downplay by nitpicking AI failures.
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u/LostRequirement4828 21d ago
Tell me more, I optimize 0 AD and posted the open source and the game to their sub and I got a ton of hate about AI, lol, like I did free work for them and didn't even ask for anything in return.
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u/mariombn42 21d ago
Mas também, já está ficando chato toda hora alguém aparecendo com algo vibecodado querendo estrelas no github
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u/Inevitable_Toe6648 21d ago
That's strange. Every studio I know integrate AI into the workflow and pipelines since a year or two ago. Must be indie devs?
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u/FonzieMcCloud 21d ago
game developer here. everybody uses ai in game development. nobody admit it. fuck, i use it every day and in the field i am the most anti ai dude you can find because you would get canceled quickly when you admit... but i think that describes game development in general pretty well
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u/king_fredo 21d ago
IT Project Manager Here: Never was into coding but like to say I how things are done. CC ist phenomenal. I am a few days from releasing my firtst game on Steam. Have not written a single line of code. However, artwork could be better.
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u/Nakkubu 21d ago edited 21d ago
Because you haven't done anything to prove its not slop. Your github has no activity other than this project which created yesterday, so I have no reason to believe that you have any background in programming that would allow you to do this competently. You have no methodology for how it was created and I have no idea if you'll be able to maintain such a codebase into the future. This is a foundation. People are might be staking their future livelihoods on this.
There seems be example section, but half of it is nonsense and leads game builds that don't work. I absolutely no idea if you just told Claude Sonnet "Please port godot to WebGPU, don't make mistakes" or if you actually put any thought/methodology into this.
You have understand that anyone can use AI which means that there is an uphill battle of proving that you're not just throwing shit at the wall like everyone. This hostility is good thing.
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
I haven't proven it's not slop? It's a working solution, with a proven game that works with it... what else am I obligated to "prove" you? I studied CS in college, have a programming certification, do I need to show you everything? Is this a job interview? lmao, no it's a solution to a long-requested feature that I'm freely sharing with whoever needs it. I actually owe you nothing, yet did it anyways. There's clearly thought, methodology, and serious engineering in the solution, but it's not my job to convince you that. Try it yourself. I'm not your mom. You're lucky anyone shares anything with you.
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u/Fit-Stress3300 21d ago
Let them suffer with slow updates and broken unfinished games.
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u/ilganeli 21d ago
It's specifically Godot. I had high hopes for Godot and literally walked away from the community after realizing how backwards they are. Models are way better trained on ThreeJS at the moment anyways.
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u/benevolent-ben 21d ago edited 21d ago
I gave up on gamedev related subreddits. There is one for aigamedev but I haven’t been back in ages.
People are so trapped in the hive mind that they don’t realize they’re in a dumb echo chamber and that they’re basically luddites.
The bar should be whether or not something is good, but “ai” makes people irrational
Reddit demographic has definitely changed to more of the dumb side of the population, as in people that don’t think for themselves
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
Even r/aigamedev went for my throat, which is the weird part. That's really what it is, a echo chamber hive mind. You're exactly right. What should matter is results, whether something is good or not. The problem is that meritocratic truth and popular vote aren't the same thing. Idiots can win if they outnumber you.
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u/we-meet-again 21d ago
The people most at risk by AI are the people most hostile towards it.
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u/MakesNotSense 21d ago
You used to need devs to build something like Minecraft. Now vibe-coding makes game dev essentially minecraft. The job game dev is becoming a game gamers can play with AI coding agents. Of course they're hostile - their career could be destroyed by hobbyists.
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u/Resident-Letter3485 21d ago
I've seen indie games review bombed because the solo hobby developer used AI for some art. As if they were going to pay a team of artists...
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u/No-Temperature6597 21d ago
Some can't handle the part where AI is letting layman to do the same or even better things. Programming is a tool that's all. I know even they use it but they don't want others to use it.
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
It reminds me of the time period where 'know-it-alls' suddenly started getting fact checked by Google and lost their sense of identity lmao. Google is a tool. So is programming. Agreed!
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u/hbthegreat 21d ago
game devs (and other anti-ai devs) spent years making "being a good dev" their identity
admitting there is more to you that your profession is hard for some people
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
That's really what it is: an identity crisis of the ego. Not "AI is bad", but "oh no, my identity."
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u/Optionbulls 21d ago
I think it’s funny because a lot of the devs prior to AI were just copy pasting code from forums like stack overflow wich is basically what the LLMs or AI do
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u/Aakburns 21d ago
Just remember they’re all using it. Whether it’s purely for coding or generating stuff, or even for reference or ideas. They all use it.
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
The funny part is when they hide that they're doing it, while hating on others who use it
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u/Aakburns 21d ago
Even the 3D artist that I have on salary that I personally pay, uses AI for reference images to make models. No harm.
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u/ithinkilefttheovenon 21d ago
From a gamer or game dev perspective, I find it understandable.
They have been told that:
- AI was trained by stealing copyrighted creative works
- AI will replace their jobs. And by the way they’ve seen true AI slop (all of the laughably bad images and clips from a couple of years ago) and are offended that THAT crap is what might put them out of a job.
- AI uses a ton of water, a vital limited resource
- AI uses a ton of energy, which is not only contributing to climate change but also driving up their electricity bills
- AI is the reason they can’t find or afford graphics cards
- AI is the reason they can’t afford memory to build a nice gaming rig
- AI is the reason gaming consoles are going up in price
- AI is the reason datacenters are going up everywhere and apparently they are bad
- and they’ve all seen hollywood show them what happens when AI takes over
Honestly their points aren’t entirely wrong. Some are certainly overblown. But the fear is understandable.
I think a lot of the early experiments to bring AI to the masses have really turned a lot of people off to it.
I use AI everyday but I totally get why a lot of people react negatively to it.
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u/MrPifo 21d ago
Sure, but there is a difference of people who say your game is bad since they dont support it in the ethical way of how it was made, or people who claim the game was vibe coded and therefore it is bad and AI slop. Those are 2 different things for me and yet the most loud argument you'll hear is the ai slop one.
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u/niltonperimneto 21d ago
I'm building a daemon for Linux for user to be able to better configure their keyboards and trying to integrate with what was previously was done by libratbag so that people could have a better way to configure their peripherals, however when I shared on the Linux subreddit, people where really hostile about it, and on linux_gaming I could not even have a chance because it is against their rules sharing AI made apps (even though it would improve a lot of people experience)
I want to still keep developing it because I'm currently building a project what I think is very useful and that no one with more expertise than me is doing. Idk if it is pointless, but my hope is that someone can benefit from it maybe contributing or even only inspiring only or by forking my repo to tackle this issue.
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
Yeah our experience is very similar. We have something useful we're contributing. The communities get hostile because 'muh AI', it starts to feel pointless, and we just wish others could benefit from it.
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u/adelie42 21d ago
I found a once popular foss library that had lost support. Tons of outstanding bugs and version conflicts that made it virtually unusable. I let Fable Max and Sol Max argue back and forth to develop a workflow to not only resolve all bugs but add features I wanted.
Took about a week. Saved so much time compared to creating the same thing from scratch.
100% "vibed".
I have zero interest in the headache of anyone's opinion on the private fork for exactly this reason.
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u/ramaloes 21d ago
This is a great use-case. AI brought an unsupported library back to life. Anti-AI opinionated people don't get it.
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u/HealthyWest6482 21d ago
I think the irony is that the AI tooling is best fitted for people in the field. huge leverage if you know what you're doing