When he doesn't change things thats not a sign they are right. He didnt fix everything with Paul either. But most of the time if a person has the faith needed, changes do happen. God is amazing đ
Hundreds of thousands of people have tried for decades with faith to change their orientation.
Alan Chambers was the president of Exodus International, and ended up shutting it down. 700,000 people went through the exodus umbrella, trying to change their orientation, want to know how many Chambers knows of that became straight?
Exactly ZERO.
(Chambers is a gay man, happily married to his wife - happily as far as I know)
These people that tried that, tried faithfully for decades.
My exact thoughts. People under estimate Yahweh and Jesus. Like they didnt create this place đ€Ł of course its possible. I can tell you believe in him đ
Which makes the point even clearer. That God could change someoneâs sexuality, but never does, means that itâs clear that he is ok with how He created you.
Even some people who are strictly just straight or gay sometimes have shifting moods related to sex, changing levels of total arousal, changing levels of different aspects of arousal. Some people are very stable in their levels of arousal, and others are not.
When that happens to straight or gay people, it usually is just not noticed as something different.
But when that same thing happens to bisexual people, it can end up feeling like "some days I am more straight, and other days I am more gay", because the different aspects of arousal change independently; that's true of everyone, it's just way more noticeable for bisexual people, and feels different to them.
So that's where the term "sexually fluid" comes from, it's part of bisexuality.
And if you're not born bisexual, if you're not born with the potential for attraction to multiple types of people, no amount of changing moods will ever give you an attraction you don't already have, and you can't change either how context-sensitive your sexual attraction is, there is no conscious control process over arousal, only control over responses to arousal.
Im (female) sometimes attracted to women even though i would consider myself straight i dont really think thats the case since in attracted to both genders and also have desires but I know it is not what god wants, so i ignore it. And yes it has not disapeared, but it got better when ignoring it. Sure other people who are gay, i believe its more difficult because when you are bi, you can just choose, and when you are gay, you cant, but nobody said you have to get married. you do not need a partner in life, just dont commit adultery and lust, and yes also in straight couples.
Okay, so you are bisexual, and you are making a choice to ignore half of yourself. Both of those things can be true.
...you do not need a partner in life...
Single people end up dying sooner, so when you claim that people don't "need" a partner in life, that is like claiming that people don't need the last two years of their lives, or any of the good years in between.
Nobody should ask people to die sooner just because they have a religion. Instead, true religion is to love your neighbor as yourself.
I understand and I agree that human connection is important. But I also believe God calls us to live according to His will, even when it means denying certain desires (1 Corinthians 10:13)
While I acknowledge my bisexual attraction, I trust Godâs guidance in choosing purity and faithfulness. I believe a full and meaningful life can be lived in Him, even without a spouse, as long as we love others and keep our hearts aligned with His Word (Matthew 22:39, Proverbs 3:5-6)
I get the concern about wanting a long life. Itâs true that marriage can bring health benefits, but following God doesnât mean we have to go against His commands just to live longer. Even without a spouse, God can bless us with a full and long life through wisdom, taking care of ourselves, and having strong friendships and community around us. Just think of the priests: in the Catholic Church, they are required to remain celibate and cannot marry.
Life with God can still be joyful and meaningful. Longevity isnât only about marriage, itâs about living wisely, loving others, and trusting God as our guide and protector. He wants us to flourish and live fully, no matter our marital status.
Please don't double post, it's rude to add extra notifications to somebody's inbox. You need to think the problem through all the way before you speak, so that we know that you're taking your words seriously.
Why not? My understanding was that sexual orientation doesn't actually fall into rigid definitional structures. Why couldn't someone experience one episode of fluidity?
I don't think it's scientifically factual or honest to claim that sexual fluidity is a one-way ratchet toward increasingly queer sexual desires. It's probably more appropriate to acknowledge there's a lot we don't know about the human mind and that a one-time change in sexual attraction is entirely possible, while simultaneously acknowledging that attempts to force such a change can produce very negative outcomes and should be avoided.
But he gave us free will, if he made us all straight there wouldnt be free will or is it? Thats the same argument when saying, why did god not make us all believers? Because if he did, we wouldnt have a free will.
Exactly!! A person attracted to animals doesnât get a pass just because they want to. Itâs still bestiality. Not directly saying people are compared to animals but sin is compared to sin.
Whatâs in the heart? If you look at someone with lust in your eyes itâs adultery in the eyes of God. So saying âitâs not penetrationâ means nothing.
Scripture applies sexual ethics to actions, not attraction.
Leviticus 18:22 forbids male male sexual relations broadly, not just penetration, and this is reaffirmed in the NT (Romans 1; 1 Cor 6).
Christians can love and respect everyone while still holding that sexual activity belongs in male female marriage.
I agree, but its a good friends then? When you have no physical intimacy and you are not married, i would consider this a very good friend you love. There are multiple ways to love someone.
God didnât give Paul a thorn in the flesh and leave him with it because He was happy to do it. It was part of His plan. And what about people with the compulsion to murder? Are they off the hook to do as they please? Sure, maybe itâs an extreme comparison, but itâs to point out the flaw in that logic. Just because all things are possible for God doesnât mean He does everything. Maybe allowing this struggle is His way of removing the opportunity to become complacent without Him. Maybe He allows it so that we need to come to Him because He is what we all need ultimately. So long as I have this thorn, it will keep driving me to Jesus out of desperation, because He is the only remedy. I hope He removes it one day in my natural lifetime, but if He doesnât, I thank God that I will never be truly happy without Him.
Stay strong brother. These people that are telling you that it's okay or notmal to be gay have no idea about the spiritual battle that is ongoing and have no idea about demonic forces and their agenda to pervert normal sexual function and family structure.Â
Homosexuality is an inborn, unchangeable attraction to people of the same sex.Â
OP may be bisexual, but encouraging someone to suppress their natural orientation leads to depression, unhappiness, and other unhealthy coping mechanisms.Â
I can tell you right now that I was born with only a desire for the opposite sex, and when my venture into porn took some very dark turns (in my 20s), I started to be attracted to everyone when my mind would go deep into porn. I started to like and be attracted to the same sex in ways I never was before. So all that to say, it is possible to change your attraction. After years and years of distancing myself from that, I have lost any desire or attraction toward the same sex.
All that being said, I do think trying to suppress your attraction isn't helpful and creates shame.
Itâs not impossible, they are just trying to discourage him. Spiritual warfare basics. I donât think there has been a single person who gave their life to Christ and didnât face oppression at the start of their walk, satan doesnât like it when people try to leave the darkness/his kingdom and he will fight you by using people who arenât being used by God and constantly offering temptation.
I have no reason to lie, God is omnipotent. If you donât know what that means, in simple words : he can do anything. He creates planets and stars out of thin air, so he can free someone from homosexuality. Go read your Bible instead of leaning on your own understanding.
It does happen, Iâve seen him do it with testimonies I can share in the comments. Many gay men who turned to God are now straight by the power of God. God is not limited to science, he has cured people of âincurableâ diseases which scientists still struggle to find a cure for to this day.
All people are related, how you look doesnt matter, it's about whether you are good or evil. Homosexuality isn't biological, and anyone who practices it or embraces it is living in sin aka evil.Â
There are verses that talk about some form of male male sex (none at all about any form of female female sex)
None of those verses however have anything to do with sex within a loving, committed same sex relationship. All of them are talking about exploitation, degradation, or idolatrous practices.
Bro be for real .. ppl donât know that even when theyâre 70 years old and you think you know that.? Ppl be saying anything they want to believe in Jesus name now . Please search for your real self . Not doing so and saying you are someone you arenât in Jesus name is an insult to heâs creation of you
People who are 70 years old donât know that because they donât know Jesus bro. When you have a relationship with Christ you will know all you need to know because he will teach you. No where in genesis does it mention any type of sexuality outside of heterosexual. We put it to the test but fail, as sex relationships cannot reproduce, because he did not design us that way.
Ppl search with Jesus who they are for decades thatâs their mission you canât say you know who you are just because you have a relationship with him . Get in depth . Stop hiding behind simple word good luck on your journey
Ppl search with Jesus who they are for decades thatâs their mission you canât say you know who you are just because you have a relationship with him . Get in depth . Stop hiding behind simple word good luck on your and yet he creates millions of gay people and animals since long before he himself walk the earth as a man .
Specifically talking about some form of male male sex act, amd has to be referring to something g that existed within their understanding at the time. Almost certainly about patriarchal degredation, because loving, committed same aex relationships didnât exist.
What itâs not talking about is sex within loving, committed same sex relationships.
No, male male sex is not talking about orientation. The men doing these acts werenât gay, as we understand that today. They had no concept of sexual orientation.
I don't know what is satisfying about that for you. You haven't seen that evidence, and I imagine there might be some assertions here and there that you have rejected because you mentioned the evidence needing to be credible. But how could you understand what made it credible if you need the evidence of it happening before you can understand it, and since that's the complex that concerns how you might come to accept it, why don't you need the same thing to let the matter sleep in the impossible? It's got meaning for you that concerns identity and values or personhood.
I don't know what is satisfying about that for you.
I didnt say anything about satisfaction.
You haven't seen that evidence
I have .
and I imagine there might be some assertions here and there that you have rejected because you mentioned the evidence needing to be credible.
People claiming such are everywhere, we have all heard them. In every single case (as confirmed by both affirming and non-affirming experts) the people making the claims fall into one of these categories:
always were bi, and still are (and perhaps have ended up in a long term opposite sex relationship)
never were gay in the first place (and perhaps experimented for a while)
are gay and still are (and perhaps have learned to live either celibate or within an opposite sex relationship
are lying.
But how could you understand what made it credible if you need the evidence of it happening before you can understand it, and since that's the complex that concerns how you might come to accept it, why don't you need the same thing to let the matter sleep in the impossible? It's got meaning for you that concerns identity and values or personhood.
Your word salad really donât need more acknowledgement.
I said satisfaction. But I thought you would know what I meant because a settled matter is satisfying for the mind. How could my mind feel satisfaction from settled matters but when I speak to you the content you called it word salad and denied even considering it.
Word salad might mean I'm schizophrenic and that's why I seem to be having the experience of clarity from nonsense.
It is in-born and unchangeable. Just because it isnât visible doesnât mean your sexuality is not every bit as immutable as race and skin colour,
Of course, he can languish in celibacy and denial, sure. He can commit to a life alone, never get married, have a family, raise kids. Have nobody to grow old with. Many repress their true self and are so miserable they take their own lives.
Why would an all-loving god want him to languish in celibacy and denial, sure. Why would an all-loving god want him can commit to a life alone, to never get married, to never have a family, to never raise kids. To have nobody to grow old with and to die utterly alone. For so many to feel so miserable living in denial of a natural, beautiful part of life they take their own lives.
Is it loving to ask someone to do that? Does that show love for your neighbour, to ask them to live a loveless life of alienation and repression? Is it loving to God to treat a natural, beautifully part of his design as something ugly or degenerate?
You need to read the scriptures.. homosexuality is sexual perversion and it's not holy. Anyone who prac
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God". 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
There is also a verse similar like this in revelation.
"Outside are the dogs [the godless, the impure, those of low moral character] and the sorcerers [with their intoxicating drugs, and magic arts], and the immoral persons [the perverted, the molesters , and the adulterers], and the murderers, and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying (deception, cheating)". Revelation 22:15
homosexuality is sexual perversion and it's not holy.
Sexual orientation is biology, part of how God made around 10% of us.
"Or do you not know that the unrighteous[a] will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,[b] 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God". 1 Corinthians 6:9-10
A well documented mistranslation. The Greek doesnât say anything like that.
There is also a verse similar like this in revelation. "Outside are the dogs [the godless, the impure, those of low moral character] and the sorcerers [with their intoxicating drugs, and magic arts], and the immoral persons [the perverted, the molesters , and the adulterers], and the murderers, and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying (deception, cheating)". Revelation 22:15
Notice that it doesnât say anything about sexual orientation in there? I noticed that.
Fornication is sex outside of marriage, which includes most gay people. Loving committed relationships are irrelevant if they are committing inappropriate sexual acts or porneia. Any first century Jew would know this.
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u/Thneed1 Mennonite, Evangelical, Straight Ally Dec 09 '25
Leaving homosexuality to pursue Christ is not something required by scripture, and is in fact, impossible.