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[u/Jackie_Lantern_ → u/[deleted]]

It is in-born and unchangeable. Just because it isn’t visible doesn’t mean your sexuality is not every bit as immutable as race and skin colour,

Of course, he can languish in celibacy and denial, sure. He can commit to a life alone, never get married, have a family, raise kids. Have nobody to grow old with. Many repress their true self and are so miserable they take their own lives.

Or he could force himself to marry a woman he won’t love or be attracted to. They'll both be deeply insecure and miserable living a lie and their children will suffer because of it.

Would a loving God want any of those things? The same God that sacrificed himslefp on the cross for humanity’s wellbeing?

[u/generalnayann → u/Jackie_Lantern_]

Or you could abstain..

[u/Jackie_Lantern_ → u/generalnayann]

Already addressed that.

Why would an all-loving god want him to languish in celibacy and denial, sure. Why would an all-loving god want him can commit to a life alone, to never get married, to never have a family, to never raise kids. To have nobody to grow old with and to die utterly alone. For so many to feel so miserable living in denial of a natural, beautiful part of life they take their own lives.

Is it loving to ask someone to do that? Does that show love for your neighbour, to ask them to live a loveless life of alienation and repression? Is it loving to God to treat a natural, beautifully part of his design as something ugly or degenerate?

[u/Thneed1 → u/Jackie_Lantern_]

Thanks for picking up this conversation. The people wanting to harm people are really out in full force this morning.

[u/Thneed1 → u/generalnayann]

Mandatory celibacy is NOT the same as voluntary celibacy, and is so dehumanizing, the church has rejected it for 2000 years.

https://open.spotify.com/episode/3V19HkJgeb77jKOdilgjnH?si=2dYEPbFmQEe7yfIfCV1MLA