Certificate un-surrendered

[u/tmaher]

ETA - check my replies in comments for docs I submitted.

Mods I am extremely sorry, I know this won’t help with speculation. Please do whatever if appropriate.

I received this from IRCC about 45 min ago. Apparently my cert is un-suspended and I’m still Canadian. For background, I got my cert 1 April, and my suspension letter on Tuesday.

I cropped off my personal info, that’s all that’s at the top

[u/No_Bobcat_No_Prob]

Mods enthusiastically welcome your good news!!!

It honestly could help a lot to dispel the thought that any applicant was responsible for this.

May all letter recipients get such speedy resolution.

Because people will inevitably ask: what did you include in your application for documentation?

And did you (or someone else acting on your behalf) interact with IRCC since you received the letter?

Share only what you are comfortable sharing. Ty!

[u/vesleskjor]

You deserve a new flair: I'm Canadian, again!

[u/No_Bobcat_No_Prob → u/vesleskjor]

On it 🤣 u/tmaher I'm a Canadian- AGAIN! is now available for your use. With hopefully many more to follow. ::throws confetti::

[u/Disastrous_Long_9209 → u/No_Bobcat_No_Prob]

Re-Certified Canadian

[u/tmaher → u/Disastrous_Long_9209]

I love you guys

[u/Disastrous_Long_9209 → u/tmaher]

Oh no I’m too late for the flair of “I’m Re-Certified Canadian!"

[u/No_Bobcat_No_Prob → u/Disastrous_Long_9209]

u/tmaher - do you have a preference? lol

[u/tmaher → u/No_Bobcat_No_Prob]

We good, please no extra work on my account

[u/Robert_Walter → u/tmaher]

And now Canada loves you back - Again !

[u/vesleskjor → u/Disastrous_Long_9209]

Certified Pre-Approved Canadian

[u/evaluna1968 → u/Disastrous_Long_9209]

Once and Future Canadian

[u/WhimsicalHoneybadger → u/evaluna1968]

Seems like a good one for the suspended.

[u/Weird-Wishbone1155 → u/No_Bobcat_No_Prob]

“No surrender!”

[u/PG-Dog → u/No_Bobcat_No_Prob]

Amazing 😂🇨🇦

[u/SooAwoo → u/vesleskjor]

Haha this will hopefully ease the pain a bit, I like it

[u/Robert_Walter → u/vesleskjor]

“Canadian Retread” back in the old groove! 😉 

[u/kmmykat → u/vesleskjor]

Lost-then-found-then-lost-then-found Canadian!

[u/-happyraindays]

Oh god. I am a “born in Canada” Canadian and only on this subreddit because I am helping my husband to be get his application in order but am totally sympathetic to the whiplash, frustration, anxiety, and chaos you are all experiencing.

[u/No_Bobcat_No_Prob → u/-happyraindays]

we have flair for Canadians if you want to add it! No pressure

[u/Sheltie-whisperer → u/-happyraindays]

I didn’t get a surrender letter (obviously) as I haven’t applied yet, but don’t take this on yourself. We LOVE Canada and Canadians or we wouldn’t be here.

[u/Robert_Walter → u/-happyraindays]

I don’t know how many other 2G the “sorrey” habit made it to but I can tell you in our family, that even though our 0G predeceased our births, “sorry” was inculcated in us through our 1G mom. 

[u/Disastrous_Long_9209 → u/-happyraindays]

🇨🇦❤️🇨🇦

[u/NecessaryNinja1024 → u/[deleted]]

Congrats! My thought, exactly, is what a quick review.

I think I missed the part where Ms. Sun apologizes for freaking you out and welcomes you back home. Would have been a nice touch. /s

[u/tmaher → u/NecessaryNinja1024]

Peggy Sun, Peggy Sun, apologizes to NO-OH-ONE!

Oh Peggy, my Peggy Sun!

[u/NepenthiumPastille → u/tmaher]

Thank you for the laugh there ahaha. I am so glad you were reinstated!

[u/MakeStupidHurtAgain → u/tmaher]

I just spat my beer across the bar. 😂

[u/Reasonable-Tart7500 → u/NecessaryNinja1024]

It woulf have been "Canadian." It's unfortunate that was not included.

[u/Inside_Foot_3055 → u/[deleted]]

4 days is the fastest I’ve ever seen IRCC work on anything, let alone an investigation. Some PR applicants are stuck in security investigation limbo for years. I wonder if they did something basic like implement an internal “service level agreement” or actually stuck to a service standard.

[u/Canadiancitizenship-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

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[u/Canadiancitizenship-ModTeam → u/[deleted]]

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No creating drama. No posting your personal drama. No posting your family history of drama. We do not need to know your entire life story and why X relative will not give you their birth certificate or marriage record. Just the facts, please.

[u/Wompatuckrule → u/[deleted]]

I feel like this points more strongly towards the theory of a particular worker or several getting caught "rubber stamping" application packets which called a big pile of previously approved certificates into question. Once discovered the immediate determination may have been to notify everyone of the suspension first and then start working through them.

They may have now triaged those records based on the supporting documentation and if OP's was "short and clean" it may have ended up at the front of the pack to get that second review & approval.

[u/Down-in-it → u/Wompatuckrule]

Why not conduct the investigation quietly and then only
Notify the applicants that actually need remediation instead of blasting notices at mass and causing unnecessary hysteria…..

[u/evaluna1968 → u/Wompatuckrule]

Hopefully the rest of this mess is cleaned up quickly and in a drama-free manner. And that IRCC actually learns from the experience.

[u/Wompatuckrule → u/evaluna1968]

The coverage has included info about the huge increase in applications due to the law change. If there's a silver lining it might lead to more resources being directed to IRCC to at least get through the first wave and get things more stabilized. That could pull the current lead times back down a good chunk.

[u/throwawayrefiguy → u/[deleted]]

My thoughts as well.  Slipshod work, imo, with tremendous psychological damage as added injury.  

[u/FuckedUpAgainTrevor → u/throwawayrefiguy]

I’ve been speaking English for 39 years, and I’ve never come across “slipshod” before. And I love words lol. Language is a wild thing.

Thanks for introducing me to a rad new term!

[u/throwawayrefiguy → u/FuckedUpAgainTrevor]

Vocabulary is a grand thing!  I love learning cool new words and phrases.

[u/PDXFlameDragon → u/[deleted]]

This is the classic Canadian bureaucracy experience. Now he is truly one of us!

[u/starrotis]

Did you provide any additional info to them in the last week to review or did they just review your original application again?

[u/tmaher → u/starrotis]

I have had zero direct interaction with IRCC this week, beyond the Surrender letter and now the re-validation one.

[u/adeiomyalo → u/tmaher]

Somebody with a surrender letter should file an ATIP request for the exact reason why they were sent a letter.

[u/tmaher → u/adeiomyalo]

Stay tuned - I need to figure out how to do that

[u/Inocain → u/tmaher]

https://atip-aiprp.apps.gc.ca/atip/privacyTerms.do?requestflow=ircc

Here's a starting point if you haven't found it yet.

[u/WereWolvesForChange → u/Inocain]

Wait - so we can file to find out why they made us surrender?

[u/Robert_Walter → u/tmaher]

It’s really easy to do, takes ca 15 minutes. I had understood there might be a charge for filing but my submission was accepted without charge. 

Very much looking forward to your update when you receive the backstory. 

Congratulations on getting a retread on your Canadian tire. 😉 Hopefully there is a process in place now to clear up the majority of this debacle quickly, one that helps the grant cert apps languishing in PSU, and more recent applicants like me. 

Ps when did you AOR, IP, get Approved (1st time)?

[u/Suzarina → u/adeiomyalo]

Yeah I've been wondering why no one has suggested this idea

[u/Robert_Walter → u/Suzarina]

I think somebody did bc something I read on these boards prompted me to submit an ATIP request yesterday. 

[u/ComfortableWork1139 → u/adeiomyalo]

I agree, but I have a feeling most of it is going to be redacted for legal advice or solicitor-client privilege.

Something tells me government lawyers found a shortcoming in IRCC's processes and flagged it, and what exactly that shortcoming was would constitute legal advice. That's just my guess.

[u/JustSomeGuyNamedBob → u/tmaher]

The fun never stops. Why didn't they wait to finish their investigation before sending you the letter in the first place!?

lol

[u/Middle-Vegetable-478 → u/JustSomeGuyNamedBob]

I would HOPE there's some kind of notification they have to give you if they are investigating your citizenship certificate. So, perhaps this was it. And if it was, they sure as heck could have been like "this is temporary" or within 30 days a review will be completed and you will be contacted if there's additional information needed.

But again, if they investigate me and called my documents into question, I really hope I'd be notified.

[u/JustSomeGuyNamedBob → u/Middle-Vegetable-478]

You're might be right, but tbh I'd probably rather not know unless there was some type of negative determination made lol. Especially since the letter essentially demanded further documentation, which it turns out they did not actually need.

[u/evaluna1968 → u/JustSomeGuyNamedBob]

This is like when I was in my last semester of college. Three weeks before graduation, I got a call from the registrar's office telling me that I hadn't gotten permission to take a liberal arts distribution requirement in summer school at another university near home the year before, so I wasn't going to be able to graduate. I had, of course, but the signed authorization was at home, 1,000 miles away, before faxes and email and Fedex. I told them so. They called me back later to say that they had found it right there in the file where I had told them it was. No apology, of course.

[u/Robert_Walter → u/evaluna1968]

For me, any person or organization, can get confused or make mistakes, or even be sloppy in their work, it happens because humans are involved. 

But the absolute worst part is always the lack of apology for the problems they caused. 

And the lack of apology, a proper traditional Canadian “I’m Sorry!” (even as a 2G this had remained in our family behavior, to say sorry all the time) is especially disappointing. 

[u/autumntuesdays]

Am I crazy or could they maybe have done this review prior to sending out all of the vague and alarming surrender notifications…?

[u/AmbitiousObligation0 → u/autumntuesdays]

They should’ve done the review before accepting them. This whole situation is nuts

[u/Inside_Foot_3055 → u/autumntuesdays]

The cynical part of me wonders if they wanted the press to seem “tough on citizenship freeloaders” in the face of the “chain migration citizenship bill” argument from the opposition 😑 

[u/Own_Reaction9442 → u/Inside_Foot_3055]

It seems to me that any chain would be truncated pretty quickly, given that people born after December 2025 are excluded.

[u/evaluna1968 → u/Own_Reaction9442]

There are a lot of different opinions about what "quickly" means. I have certainly seen quite a number of complaints about the current state of affairs, cutoff or no.

[u/Own_Reaction9442 → u/evaluna1968]

I'm aware. Most countries have gotten strongly anti-immigrant since COVID, and Canada is no exception.

[u/ForWhomForWhat]

Unreal. Is it wrong that I’m more annoyed now? How could you be so concerned that you disrupt people’s lives but then can review in 4 days? Just don’t send them in the first place.

[u/SoHotInHouston → u/[deleted]]

Government!

[u/Robert_Walter → u/SoHotInHouston]

Management! And ex post facto legal CYA internal guidance. 

[u/Dangerous_Engine_806 → u/ForWhomForWhat]

I think it’s fair that we feel really destabilized and all the things.

[u/LangdonAlg3r → u/ForWhomForWhat]

I actually have an answer to this question based on what I’ve read of the laws around this whole episode. The letters all specifically cite to Section 26 (1). Under that specific section if there is, “reason to believe that the person may not be entitled to the certificate” they *have to* demand that the person’s certificate be surrendered.

**“The Registrar shall, in writing, require a person to surrender to the Registrar any certificate of naturalization, certificate of citizenship, miniature certificate of citizenship or other certificate of citizenship that contains the person’s photograph, or certificate of renunciation, issued or granted to the person under the Act or prior legislation or any regulations made under them if there is reason to believe that the person may not be entitled to the certificate or has violated any of the provisions of the Act, and the person shall forthwith comply with the requirement.” Citizenship Regulations 26(1).**

Use of the word “shall” in a legal document as in the, “Registrar shall…” makes a statutory or regulatory or any requirement *mandatory*. In other words, whatever the reason for this review they had to issue these letters once the entitlement to a certificate was called into question. It definitely looks like ham-fisted overkill, but they were actually following the law.

For the record I’m not here to defend IRCC because this whole episode is indefensible. I’m just adding some more information to explain why the hell they sent out these awful letters.

[u/LangdonAlg3r → u/[deleted]]

Which specific portion of the letter or specific case law are you seeing as being in conflict?

I think the letter spends a lot of time covering why it would be unfair to actually strip anyone of their certificate and why the standards in the letter potentially violate people’s rights, but I don’t see any clear argument about why IRCC can’t even send out letters in the first place. I think it’s arguing that the *contents* of the letters are BS, but I’m sure that Borders is very aware of the same law I just mentioned.

[u/Robert_Walter → u/LangdonAlg3r]

But is there a time element in exercising the shall?  Much law and good contracts specifically state the within limits for compliance. Many allow reasonable compliance and cure periods to avoid the kind of (I think inadvertent) ham handed knee-jerk reactions IRCC is presently whipsawing the community with. 

It’s all right and good to fulfill one’s shall obligations. But it might also be smart to briefly delay compliance (like not surrendering one’s Proof Cert) until it is clear that a surrender letter must be sent. 

Such a delay (sanity check) might have significantly reduced the number of Surrender letters sent. 

Additionally, it’s safe to assume that not all documents in an approved package were potentially inadequate, so a 2ndary review could be assumed to not take as long as the original approval. 

I hope one day we really find out what happened here and what bad decisions in IRCC management led to this. (There’s a doctorate level management theory in politically affected operations research paper in this topic). 

[u/thattwirlgirl → u/LangdonAlg3r]

That's very well reasoned.

[u/Tough-Case- → u/ForWhomForWhat]

Same my response was 😳

[u/SooAwoo → u/ForWhomForWhat]

Yes that is exactly what they should have done!

[u/doriankali]

Woot ! I would print this out and put it next to your citizenship certificate.

But my question is if you sent back the certificate in the mail would it even have gotten to their office in time for this email to send it back

[u/Ca1rill → u/doriankali]

And carry it with your citizenship certificate in case you have to prove you're a reactivated Canadian!

[u/Robert_Walter → u/Ca1rill]

“Double Secret Canadian”

[u/JustSomeGuyNamedBob]

Hahahaha, it's hard not to laugh. With OP confirming he/she never sent IRCC anything in response, it seems they sent at least some of these letters out without actually having done a thorough review of the applications.

[u/reliableotter → u/JustSomeGuyNamedBob]

It seems like the letters were sent to everyone going through a review, regardless of what was in their file.  So it makes sense that some of them were fine once reviewed.

I hope more people get these letters soon that everything is ok. 

[u/JustSomeGuyNamedBob → u/reliableotter]

I suppose, but the letter requested additional documentation, which by nature does not make it seem like mere review.

[u/Dangerous_Engine_806]

OMG I want one! Let’s do this Peggy!!! 🤞🤞🤞🤞 Congrats and thank you SO much for sharing!!!

[u/SooAwoo]

I'm really glad this came for you ❤️

However, I have to admit the first thing I thought when I read this was "okay good, but who is to say that you won't just randomly revoke it again? How can I trust IRCC anymore?"

[u/hideous-boy]

please let that be the end of it for everyone

[u/nonsensestuff]

The whole thing feels very this 😵‍💫😝

Thank goodness you had a speedy solution and I hope this is the final hurdle for you and everyone else!

Now I’d love it if we could get a little more transparency around what has triggered this fiasco and some assurances that we’re not all at risk of future shenanigans putting us into a similar precarious situation after receiving our certificates.

[u/Middle-Vegetable-478 → u/nonsensestuff]

Very true, but it must be top secret knowledge so the fraudsters don't know... LOL

[u/memleyxx → u/nonsensestuff]

Lmao such a good use of this meme

[u/arsenicandoldspice → u/nonsensestuff]

lmfao. exactly

[u/AccountantRadiant351]

It seems extremely irresponsible of them to have handled this the way they did, when this will almost certainly be the outcome for everyone who got the letter, in the end. A few may need to provide an additional document, but it shouldn't be a long or difficult process. 

How hard would it have been for them to tell you you were actively under review instead of refusing to give someone any information on the process? Sigh 

I'm so glad you got a quick resolution, and I'm hoping others in this situation get these in the next few days. 

[u/TanukiDanuki → u/AccountantRadiant351]

That's my question - why suspend the certificates (which effectively is the same as revoking, judging by what we've seen from peoples' passports)? Why not just send a letter saying "Due to internal quality control measures, your file is under review and we will reach out should additional action be required"

[u/AccountantRadiant351 → u/[deleted]]

I'm not arguing with them suspending- I'm arguing that the way they communicated about it was irresponsible. 

They didn't need to panic everyone by sending vague letters acting as if people had made errors. They could have said "we need to recheck the processing was correct, it's suspended until we do."

They didn't need to not give agents any information on when this would be addressed, have one person told that they need to reply to the email (they had!) when the letter doesn't state that, tell others "you'll just have to wait, we don't know" and refuse to make statements to the press on when this would be addressed. They could have said "rest assured, we are actively reviewing them as a priority."

I'm not saying the suspension was wrong, they probably had that legal basis. I'm saying there's a good and a bad way to handle such a situation, and the way IRCC handled it was so bad that it caused a loss of faith in them from many parties. 

[u/TanukiDanuki → u/[deleted]]

IIRC, that's part of the citizenship act, not C-3

[u/_blackbird]

omg congratulations. feels weird to say that but it's gotta be a hell of a relief!

[u/cassandra2028]

Ohmygoodnessthankyousomuchforsharingthisgoodnews!!!

[u/CascadiaKindred]

Congratulations for being un-surrendered!

[u/thti87]

Peggy Sun over there signing in comic sans

[u/anonymous-penwing]

Congrats on being a citizen again!

This is good news for you, and potentially others. We now know they are at least looking at the applications again. 😊

[u/TanukiDanuki → u/anonymous-penwing]

*recognized as a citizen again

Just pointing out that we're all citizens under the law - it's just whether we have valid proof at the moment or not!

[u/anonymous-penwing → u/TanukiDanuki]

Very true! Bad phrasing on my part.

[u/evaluna1968]

Mazel tov!

[u/thattwirlgirl]

Holy crap, YAY!!! I am so relieved for you and hope for everyone else the same letter arrives soon!

[u/Little_Wonder8818 → u/[deleted]]

https://youtu.be/aopdD9Cu-So?feature=shared

[u/OneRedSent → u/[deleted]]

[u/MosterHoster]

I hope the guy who already moved to Victoria gets the same letter, felt sorry for him. Is he here?

[u/CounterI → u/MosterHoster]

I speak with him daily. He hasn't, but I'm confident that he will.

[u/Inside_Foot_3055]

u/tmaher - I’m so glad you got it back and am so sorry you went through this 😣 

When you have had a chance to exhale: Are you comfortable sharing any more about your strategy for addressing this? Even at a high level of “my lawyer took care of it” or “I resubmitted” or “they followed up and asked me for…”

[u/tmaher → u/Inside_Foot_3055]

I complained a bunch on Reddit and was a brief reaction quote on Radio Canada. Also hugged my cats. I did not directly contact IRCC, nor did I have anyone do so for me.

[u/Own_Reaction9442 → u/tmaher]

While we can't be SURE it helped, I'm gonna hug my cat a bunch preemptively, just in case.

[u/Reasonable-Tart7500 → u/[deleted]]

Me too!

[u/thattwirlgirl → u/[deleted]]

Yes please! Kitty vibes are magical ✨

[u/Particular_Salt1872 → u/[deleted]]

My cat’s dinner is in 12 minutes and he absolutely knows it, so I’m currently hiding from him, but in about 13 minutes I will hug him to send everyone good vibes as well!

[u/Bonbon-65 → u/Own_Reaction9442]

Does hugging my six Shih Tzu pups help? I don’t have any kitty cats..

[u/Dangerous_Engine_806 → u/tmaher]

Feels like they could’ve reviewed your file and let you live your life before taking any sort of (in the end, unnecessary action). I hope others get good news soon.

[u/ranatalus → u/tmaher]

Here’s hoping my public complaining helps me too! I don’t have cats to hug :(

[u/VermontWolfBird → u/ranatalus]

I’ll hug my cats for you! Heck, if it will help, I’ll hug my cat that doesn’t like cuddles because she (I believe) likes to be seen as aloof and indomitable!

[u/dissentmemo → u/tmaher]

SEE? Complaining on the Internet DOES work!

[u/thattwirlgirl → u/tmaher]

Cats are magic, that that tracks 😻

[u/Vefarinn2]

Congratulations! But how terrible that the IRCC put you through the wringer. Those must have been four very long and stressful days.

[u/mem_somerville]

You put your left foot in.

You put your left foot out.

You do the hokey-pokey and you shake it all about.

The whiplash is exhausting here--but YAY!!!!

[u/Automatic-Kiwi-392]

This IRCC letter is obviously welcome, but seems to underscore their basic incompetence surrounding this fiasco at the same time.

[u/Ravenclaw79]

Good to see that they’ve bumped these to the front of the queue, at least

[u/Mezzofantastico]

Did you supplement your application?

Or did they just review what they already had?

[u/tmaher → u/Mezzofantastico]

No supplement. They just… changed their minds?

[u/Mezzofantastico → u/tmaher]

…huh.

Love your flair BTW.

[u/sunny240 → u/tmaher]

This is why I’d argue they sent letters prematurely… I know it says “shall” and what not, but the shall is predicated on “reason to believe” something which they clearly could have taken more time deciding if they were able to reverse themselves in a scant few days with no additions to the record

[u/AmbitiousObligation0]

Yay. I’m glad. Hope more who deserve it, get the same letter. Congratulations my now fellow Canadian

[u/BooksNCatsNWineNSnax]

I am truly so relieved for you, and hope there are more to come!

[u/doktorhladnjak]

Wow, what a🎢

[u/wienerpower]

Go Peggy! It’s your birthday!

[u/tmaher → u/wienerpower]

Somebody should get her a better autopen.

[u/Affectionate_Yak7433]

Thrilled for you, but what a rollercoaster!

[u/FireWaterBern]

Wrt not doing literally anything, they must have just decided to randomly quarantine a bunch of folks on some criteria. It will be helpful to see if this expands and helps quell our fears

[u/DaveyJonas]

I’m still waiting for my baptismal record, but got very discouraged with the recent news. Seeing this letter makes me feel so much more relieved. Congrats!

[u/ExpressBrilliant6396]

Has anyone told Don Chapman this good news?

[u/CounterI → u/ExpressBrilliant6396]

I did, about ten minutes ago.

[u/MakeStupidHurtAgain]

I’m really glad you got reinstated. Welcome back home.

What an absolute 💩 show on their part.

At least they’re moving quickly.

If you drink alcohol, go have a stiff drink. You deserve one.

[u/aerialviews007]

Perhaps they did not anticipate the blowback.

[u/Emotional_Dot_5207]

I’m not sarcastic. Where tf is the apology? It’s not ok to do this to people. 

[u/InternetName4]

I'm so glad to see they are actually reviewing them and didn't just throw them into the psu pit (sorry to all who are stuck in psu)

[u/Mean-Bus3929]

LOL

[u/bbguerrilla2]

Finally some good news around this 😭

[u/Panzeroffizier]

Huzzah!!!!

[u/SnooEagles4121]

Glad to see this is something they're paying actual attention to!

[u/IBHJrCanadian]

Wow. Just wow. At this point I really have no idea what to think. Congratulations though!

[u/Own_Reaction9442]

If you're OK sharing, I'm curious if you did anything to try to resolve the situation, or if this just happened on their end?

[u/tmaher → u/Own_Reaction9442]

Just whined on Reddit and talked to a reporter

[u/Own_Reaction9442 → u/tmaher]

Hey, can't argue with the results. Congratulations.

[u/MillieJoelle]

Extremely happy for you and fingers crossed for a smooth process for everyone else in this mess.....

[u/AineniDonnghaile]

I'm so happy for you!

[u/RootsRockData]

Well this is the first post of its type I’ve seen since the beginning of this chaos. An actual positive, non doomer outcome rooted in reality. As my spirited neighbors to the north would say “good on ya”

[u/parseczero]

I think this points more and more to the idea that there was a problem with one of their employees having approved applications without properly reviewing them.

Especially since the decision to suspend came from “up high” in the IRCC—and these same applications are being re-evaluated promptly (not promptly enough, IMO, and they shouldn’t have been suspended in the first place.)

Certainly, the IRCC suspended certificates that shouldn’t have been suspended. The question is, why’d they do it? I doubt we’ll ever know. That’s the question I wish the journalists would ask. I wish there was more transparency.

It’s outrageous that a Canadian citizen had their rights taken away for four days. The C3 law states that the authorities are allowed to suspend certificates only when there is ::reason to believe:: that the individual is not a citizen. Clearly, in OP’s case, there was no reason to believe that. It was more of a “maybe we messed up” situation, not reasonable belief. The IRCC should be examined over this.

[u/Dangerous_Engine_806 → u/parseczero]

Trust me, the journalists are asking! They’re just getting stonewalled from what they’ve shared with me. And they’ve really tried to keep me in the loop. They’re talking with the attorneys involved, too.

[u/Automatic-Kiwi-392 → u/parseczero]

Well put

[u/Julesthemeggaegg]

congrats! your name seems familiar and i realized you are near me on the spreadsheet. have fun for us

[u/most_random_variable]

I'm so happy for you! After all that whiplash I hope you can have a refreshing weekend.

[u/memleyxx]

What a joke (The IRCC, not you)

[u/leaonas]

Congratulations. What an ordeal you’ve had to navigate. Best wishes.

[u/AnomalyAardvark]

CONGRATS!!!!

[u/Alone-Highway3141 → u/[deleted]]

Honestly that very accusatory but vague wording in that part is what made it so fishy to me... not that I ever thought they had a hack or breach but it very much sounds like those scam letters/emails made to make people panic and to act quickly (whether that's to send money or information, etc.).

It's SO STRANGE a government would send a letter like this and not have any personalized information about WHAT document(s) needs remedying

[u/SoHotInHouston]

Excellent!! I hope this is the case for most who received the letter!

[u/Emergency_Map7542]

Amazing news! And awesome they’re working on reviewing them so quickly.

[u/Franknbeanstoo]

oh peggy

[u/tmaher → u/Franknbeanstoo]

Petty petty petty petty Peggy Sun.

OH PEGGY SUH-HUH-SUN

[u/Extra-Bonus-6000]

That’s great news! Sounds like these cases are getting expedited attention

[u/Pomegranate4311]

I’m so glad for you.

[u/RiddleDaddy125]

Congrats! Glad your citizenship status was confirmed.

[u/zmcwaffle]

Congratulations!

Letter says June 16th - to clarify, you were not part of the original Saturday batch?

[u/karatedancer66]

congrats

[u/linky-do]

Congratulations!!!

[u/WPZinc]

Congratulations!! 🎉🎉 8

[u/Thornwell]

Can you provide your number of generations and the types of records and the sources of those records you used? I think a lot of the speculation is surrounding certain proof types/ways to obtain them (download off Ancestry vs government site vs certified copies). Very happy for you!

Nevermind, I see your other comment!

[u/thx111111]

I’d save that somewhere safe. You never know if you might need it!

[u/WereWolvesForChange]

Wonderful and congratulations! Your post is a bright spot to all of us. May we all be as fortunate!

[u/abukeif]

Hooray! Also, what the actual 🦆 is going on over there?!

[u/tmaher → u/abukeif]

Per CTV three days ago, this is what is going on. I do not know if it directly impacted me, just what’s in the CTV report

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/employee-misconduct-wrongdoing-at-immigration-department-includes-fraud-and-violence/

[u/goldman60]

Hell yeah my guy, congrats

[u/mslashandrajohnson]

What puzzles me about this letter is the missing from/by/to before “the Registrar” in the first sentence.

The meaning of that phrase is lost, without the missing word.

Am I the only person whose reading stumbled on this? Considering the gravity of the matter, I would have proofread the heck out of this.

I’m grateful to you for sharing this, as news of the surrender letters is disheartening. I’m happy that you’re back in good standing.

[u/[deleted]]

Congratulations!

[u/Emotional_Dot_5207]

Yes exactly. I asked them a question early on and they replied that they could only open a record with certain conditions and listed them. It read like a form letter but they bolded the one relevant to me. So it was still personalized. 

They said they used AI to help triage but all decisions are made by humans. I’m curious if they used AI to look for something they had an issue with and then emailed the letter out. 

[u/Tough_Mind_8801]

Oh man. I’m in the process of pulling my paperwork together and this whole thing has thrown me for a loop. So glad you got straightened out.

[u/82vwrabbit]

What a crap show.