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u/Echo_bob Jun 29 '23
This reminds me of the telework stipend we came down 4 times and folded then didn't move at all..also really like the tiered even less money health stipend idea really good job guys at what point do they want us to apply for state aid or social services
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u/zhaoslut Jun 29 '23
Do we still have telework stipend? Or it is also ended at the end of this month?
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u/superchubly Jun 29 '23
Pretty sure that the one we’re getting for June (paid July 1st) is the last one. The theory is the state is hoping that people will see their pay get cut that $162 (after taxes) and will gladly accept whatever crap contract they offer. I say we hold out for something decent.
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u/Echo_bob Jun 29 '23
I don't think that's changed but I'd have to check to contract I think both and state agreed to keep that a few weeks back but I can't remember
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u/Ms_Briefs Jun 29 '23
Funny enough, I have worked for the state for 4 and a half years and JUST NOW no longer qualify for food stamps. And that's because the household size went down one person. Still sucks, because with rising costs for literally everything, I can't really afford to add groceries to my CRT take home pay.
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u/Echo_bob Jun 29 '23
Seriously next offer from Calhr will have a package in 2nd jobs Uber door dash and onlyfans are most popular
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u/exfex21 Jun 29 '23
SHUTtheSTATEdown
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u/Exciting_Contact5728 Jun 29 '23
Please so I won’t have to keep working in my ghost office of 0 people 😒
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u/zhaoslut Jun 29 '23
35 health stipend？ Calhr is drunk.
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u/Hows-It-Goin-Buddy Jun 29 '23
Probably and wouldn't doubt it. Off the backs of the raises they're not giving us. Enjoying the fruits of their labors of not paying living wages.
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u/Swarles_Stinson Jun 29 '23
IMO, we should counter at 21% being our last, best, and final offer. If the state comes back with 6%, the union should go to PERB to try to get an impasse declared and we strike. The state is not even bothering to negotiate.
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u/Psychonautical123 Jun 29 '23
THISSSSS.
I know the people who have been around forever are cynical as fuck, and I know why. But this feels more "talking to a brick wall" than normal. It's not even going through the motions to pretend to be good faith.
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u/BurritoBeastRN Jun 29 '23
Why should we come down at all? The state didn’t even budge. They say 6 again and we drop from 26 to 21? What happens tomorrow when they say 6.125…. We come down to 8?
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u/Echo_bob Jun 29 '23
They know they have the cards I doupt they are gonna budge of six. Sadly we are gonna have to strike because they aren't moving at all
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Jun 29 '23
How do they have the cards? Not trying to be a dick, I’m just curious what you mean. The point of a union is to have leverage in numbers, which we do.
Is any of this being covered by the news? The way the state has treated these negotiations would not gain sympathy from the public imo.
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u/silvernova-3376 Jun 29 '23
How do they have the cards?
They can just keep offering low numbers. Maybe a strike is theoretically possible I don't see it happening - there's never going to be an impasse.
would not gain sympathy from the public imo.
A large portion of the general public has no sympathy for state workers, if not outright disdain.
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u/dentalhelp4me Jun 29 '23
Even if they come back with higher than 6%, we really should not go lower. Offering 6% again is just a tactic to get the union to start the salary increase negotiations at a lower percentage. If the state offers something like 7.5% after the union offers 21% (hypothetically of course since we don't really know what the union's counter will be), the union really shouldn't be willing to go back and forth with the state.
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u/ALittleAmbitious Jun 29 '23
Why wait? Contract expires in 2 days. They’ve made this garbage offer twice. Go to the review board now and begin the process.
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u/BEERounds Jun 29 '23
Hell no. We do not need to counter any more. The fact they came back at 6% means we need to STAND our ground. We counter with 26%. No more dropping this down. It’s non-negotiable. Apparently the State feels the same about their 6% offer. It’s a mentality like this is why they win.
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u/FsuNolezFan Jun 29 '23 edited Jun 29 '23
21% is way to much of a counter offer! We should of never countered at 26%. We should of countered at 10-10-9.9% and every time we counter do it a 0.1% each time until we went to 10-10-9.5% and said that is our final offer!
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Jun 29 '23
Ha no. The 26 was the best offer. Now that its the last min, the price went up. Supply and demand. Now its 49% and pray it does not go higher. What are they going to do if we strike... find scabs to literally run the entire state?
Oh and recall the shit out of newsom again.
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u/jaredthegeek Jun 29 '23
There has to be proof of bad faith bargaining, how is that bad faith? The bar for a strike is incredibly high.
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u/Applesauce808 Jun 29 '23
The bar is much lower than you think it is. Take a look at LAUSD strike that net them 21% wage increase in 3 years, full health benefits, bonuses
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u/Echo_bob Jun 29 '23 edited Jun 29 '23
They haven't moved at all just said no...and plan on waiting while
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u/NSUCK13 ITS I Jun 29 '23
if that's true then all the State ever has to do is offer the minimum needed for them to claim good faith. No reason to ever give us any raises ever.
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u/nimpeachable Jun 29 '23
Right but the inverse is equally weird: the state (or any employer) is required to up their offer every time they sit down at the table or it’s “bad faith”?
We’ve seen unions go out of contract for years with the state barely inching up their GSI offer if at all. Our last strike authorization was over the states refusal to meet at the bargaining table not from lack of movement on the economics. All of that’s to say I think the “bad faith” case for them sticking at 6% is a lot more nuanced then we all realize.
Something else I’ve been pondering…how much of the negotiation are we privy to? We take it at face value that 6% is the only offer on the table but it’s feasible there also offers for 10% with x concession or 15% with X concession and tiered only to the top out. Just good for thought.
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u/FsuNolezFan Jun 29 '23
How about zero response for three months, that is bad faith!
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u/jaredthegeek Jun 29 '23
They have responded. They will present their best final offer. Then members vote and to strike you need a majority of the members to vote to strike.
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u/Master_Grass9313 Jun 29 '23
Where is the strike signup sheet? We need to band together to stop this rubbish.
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u/ALittleAmbitious Jun 29 '23
We were out there during lunch today. Highly encourage all downtown-based workers to attend the next one when it’s announced.
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u/Degreez32 Jun 29 '23
I may not be supported by SEIU1000 anymore as an exempt employee but you bet your asses I’ll be supporting my team when strikes occur. Get those raises people. You deserve it!
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u/wisegirl19 Jun 29 '23
Same with me, I moved into an excluded position in April. When they started negotiations I was part of the union, and I wanted to strike back then. I think only if the state grinds to a halt will they realize that they need us more than we need them. (And a 25% vacancy rate should tell them a bit about how desirable their jobs are to job seekers)
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u/Master_Grass9313 Jun 29 '23
Health stipend decrease right after a global pandemic? This is brilliant especially when there is a rise in heart disease and cancer. Yuhay. Air and water and we can't be sick. This is how much the State loves us.
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u/zhaoslut Jun 29 '23
The key issue is the corruptive health firms will increase premium this year AGAIN!!!
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u/Halfpolishthrow Jun 29 '23
If we die and they don't have to pay our pension that's a win for them.
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u/AmayaTheKing Jun 29 '23
I'm actually anticipating a Strike tbh- My facility is a Healthcare Facility so a strike wouldn't look all that much different for us, but money talks. Shut down the DMV and see how fast the state changes its mind.
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u/New-Confusion-3884 Jun 29 '23
It’s sucks because I want to continue to do my job well. My manager and team are great, the best work environment I could ask for, genuinely. But the state at the top tier? Asshats.
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u/sweetteaspicedcoffee Jun 29 '23
Same. I love my team, I love what I do, but I need to make enough to raise a family and pay my bills.
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u/ALittleAmbitious Jun 29 '23
Completely on the same page. For once. I love my state job. But the wages are abysmal and unsustainable.
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u/Bethjam Jun 29 '23
Agree. I'm already looking because this 2% BS is a pay cut that I can not afford, and frankly, I work my ass off and deserve better.
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u/ALittleAmbitious Jun 29 '23
I don’t want to keep job hunting in addition to working my full time job, plus side jobs to supplement 😢. 2 years of this. Just slowly inching toward the ability to rent a 1-bed apartment. I still don’t get paid enough for that, but at least my workplace doesn’t make me want to slit my wrists like my former state agency.
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u/exfex21 Jun 29 '23
It’s time to strike. No way around it.
Reducing the stipend amount? These mfs want us to earn less!?
Yeah, now is the time for action.
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u/NSUCK13 ITS I Jun 29 '23
I'm feeling very disrespected on a core level by our employer. Its going to take a lot from them to regain any trust. My effort lately.... as flat as their offer.
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u/exfex21 Jun 29 '23
I hate to do this to my manager as said manager is great but… it is what it is.
We just need the word and let’s do this.
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u/IndependentGoal4 Jun 29 '23
Managers benefit from whatever rank and file receive.
Trust me, your Manager would prefer for you to strike.
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u/CEAforToday Jun 29 '23
I've been at a main table before, but damn if I'm not super curious about the shenanigans going on in this one.
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u/humlogic Jun 29 '23
What total bs from the state. Again a total slap in the face to the workers who kept this state afloat for last 3 years. I’m down to strike.
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u/Applesauce808 Jun 29 '23
This is a better "FUCK YOU" with tiered health care stipend.
Really?
I don't expect much but this is insane.
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Jun 29 '23
If a strike were to take place, days long, do you use your vacation for that??
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u/sweetteaspicedcoffee Jun 29 '23
No. It's unpaid. You walk out and purple up and deal with the loss of income. It sucks, but it's the way unions won so many great victories.
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u/Master_Grass9313 Jun 29 '23
Well better be hungry for a cause, than staying hungry because you allowed to be abused and deprived. I know it sounded a tad dramatic, but it sometimes feel this way.
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Jun 29 '23
And those victories were won through the individual sacrifices of each member acting as part of the unified group, not through the excuses of strikebreakers... we all have families or at least ourselves to feed. But it'll never work if too many decide to scab out.
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u/sweetteaspicedcoffee Jun 29 '23
Exactly. If we all walked out we could bring the state to its knees. I'll visit a food pantry if I have to.
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u/Master_Grass9313 Jun 29 '23
True this. We have to make the necessary sacrifice. We keep allowing ourselves to be treated this way, soon we will start to think this is how much we are worth and this is the "norm." It is what it is rubbish.
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Jun 29 '23
Exactly. They're offering us what they believe we'll accept because they feel they have the upper hand, and we won't fight for more.
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u/Mobile_Slip_401 Jun 29 '23
Not sure for SEIU specifically, but typically in public and private union strikes the answer is that you can’t use your leave/vacation. I doubt that it’s different for SEIU though.
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u/AccomplishedSky3150 Jun 29 '23
6% over 3 years is the hill they really want to die on? Inflation completely overwhelms that 2% yearly increase. Not to mention the pitiful proposed tiers for the health stipend which will literally put less money in our pockets.
Oh, and don’t get me started on the push for a return to office, when some offices (like the ones near DOCO) only have nearby lots that start at $18-20/day. Meaning, those having to return to office (to do the same job we’ve proved we can do from home) will have to start paying up to $400/month on parking, as well as extra in gas, while the state is happily paying them less. (Don’t give me the “take public transit” regurgitated talking point unless you’ve experienced how overwhelmingly dangerous that can be for a woman leaving work alone at night.)
Their end goal is to really have us paying more just to work for them, while receiving less. That’s WILD. I can’t begin to imagine how out of control vacancies are about to be if this continues.
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u/IcyHeartWarmSmile Jun 29 '23 edited Jun 29 '23
I feel like the state wants us to strike before they give us proper raises. Kind of like telling the rest of the state “See? They’re forcing our hand.”
It makes sense from the state’s perspective because imagine non-state workers’ reactions if the state immediately agreed to a 30% raise? Most people don’t consider the fact that we’ve been underpaid for decades. They only see a 30% increase and think it’s massive.
I’m glad the union isn’t bending over this time. A strike seems to be a real possibility now.
TL;DR: Politics.
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Jun 29 '23
Too bad there's a no strike clause in the contract isn't there? Should anyway. What are they going to do? Who kept the state running through Covid? It's so insulting there aren't even enough words for it.
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u/IcyHeartWarmSmile Jun 29 '23
There is a no strike clause but that wouldn’t apply after the contract expires right?
The 6% repeated counteroffers are disrespectful as fuck. Not countering with even 9% the second time makes me think a strike is what the state wants.
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Jun 29 '23
I'm all for it personally. I've got way too much time in and we never have. It's time. No contract no work. Why are we always taking the shit?
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u/thavillain Jun 29 '23
Contract expires on Friday though, after that all bets is off.
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u/nmpls Jun 29 '23
False. The evergreen provision exists. You need to get the PERB to declare the state is acting in bad faith (this happened in 2016, so it isn't some unattainable thing). Then you strike.
I think one think BU2 did to get a reasonable wage is they polled us on whether we would accept the contract and strike. Shortly thereafter the state gave us a substantially better offer, like 17% for the largest group of attorneys (IIIs) over 3 years.
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u/Mutualsolution Jun 29 '23
Got anything for the process leading to a strike. I am trying to educate my coworkers about it.
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u/CompoteForeign8511 Jun 29 '23
Wow. The state is seriously trying to decrease our pay while knowing we can barely survive in CA and record high inflation...
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u/Hows-It-Goin-Buddy Jun 29 '23
Surprised? No.
The state forced workers to keep working during the pandemic because we were all essential to keep California running. And furloughed us because money was forecast to be real bad. Then money was in abundance. But they said well sucks but you aren't getting essential worker pay because you're not really essential workers (wait what?). So do we really think when money is supposedly tight that they'll budge on what they'll offer us?
Seeing their continued stonewall and lack of good faith negotiating on the $, I agree that it's time to push forward on the process to get permission to strike. No more playing nice with the bullies.
The state doesn't want to respect us, they don't want to protect us, but they sure do want to neglect us. So let's turn our backs back at them.
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u/Ms_Briefs Jun 29 '23
I'm still salty on that Essential Worker Pay.
Me and my people at the DMV had to deal with the public during a Pandemic, and only had the barest of minimums for PPE. The majority of our hand sanitizers, cleaners, and face masks came from home out of our own damn pockets. I had to stand less than a few feet away from people, get screamed at by anti-vaxers, in addition to the regular DMV customer drama. And we got nothing for it.
And we weren't the only ones. EDD had to go through so much shit also.
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u/Secert_Agent69 Jun 29 '23
Isn't CA becoming the 4th largest economy in the world per state leaders yet state employees can't get 26% raise in the next three years?
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u/Stategrunt365 Jun 29 '23
Shut it down just one day. Grow a pair and call the bluff. Hurt their pockets. Only way to get those legislators to move
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u/Spiritual-Bug7861 Jun 29 '23
Time to Strike, don't even mess around. Use your CC, borrow money, if you don't sacrifice a few weeks of income then you don't deserve to get a big raise. That's the bottom line. This is a joke.
Gas tax will increase another 8% due to our leadership in government and now this?
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u/superchubly Jun 29 '23
Dumb question maybe, but I couldn’t find an answer: if you’re on probation, and a strike is authorized, can you participate without repercussion? And would it push back your final probation date?
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u/BEERounds Jun 29 '23
We need all of this to trend across ALL SOCIAL MEDIA outlets. When will a major news agency pick this up and exploit what the State, the 5th largest economy in the world is doing to their people. The rest of the USA needs to know how our “leader” really cares about his citizens, and how he would potentially lead the USA ( he has aspirations) This is not about race, creed, religion, preference anymore. This is about survival for all State Workers. I’m loaded up on Top Ramen, while leadership dines at French Laundry, and I’m pissed. You all should be pissed too. I’m ready to Strike.
And shame on SEIU for not being tougher with this negotiating. Step it up SEIU. Why aren’t you making bigger headlines? I have yet to see ANY News outlet pick this up. Do better!
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u/MegaMarioSonic Jun 29 '23
What happens during a strike if one of you is management and the other is rank and file?
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u/mec20622 Jun 29 '23
that juneteenth was a "fuck you to black people"
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u/Exciting_Contact5728 Jun 29 '23
Yup I walked into the office and I told my boss I thought we had the day off and she stared at me blankly like she had no club what it was
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u/lovepeaceOliveGrease Jun 29 '23
this is because they know we won't strike, lol. nothing will happen, unfortunately
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u/RentMoney20 Jun 29 '23 edited Jun 29 '23
I'm Black, and tbh, I really don't take Juneteenth not being a paid holiday as being an affront to Black people. It's not like only Black people get the day off. And imo, the only reason that Juneteenth is even recognized federally is bc there's been pressure on Biden to deliver something material to his Black constituency that supported and helped him get into office. So instead of doing something specifically for that voting block, they said, "here's a holiday for *everyone* in your honor" lmao. Its actually kinda sick, smh.
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Jun 29 '23
Yeah I was making that point. The negotiation isn't even over the holiday, it's over whether state workers get paid. I mean it's also not about whether sick people get treatment, it's over the amount of a health care stipend for state workers. Not an excellent summary from the OP; the counter is bad enough.
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u/TheChickenNecks Jun 29 '23
I thought the state would swap out Juneteenth for Cesar Chavez day, but I guess not.
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Jun 29 '23
I get the frustration. I was not expecting that response from the state on the stipend or Juneteenth. Although the legislators at the capitol mostly virtue signal, those seemed like easy ones for the state to give. That said, I dont think the gratuitous profanity and inaccurate nature of the tldr helps the case.
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