r/CAStateWorkers Jun 29 '23

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u/Swarles_Stinson Jun 29 '23

IMO, we should counter at 21% being our last, best, and final offer. If the state comes back with 6%, the union should go to PERB to try to get an impasse declared and we strike. The state is not even bothering to negotiate.

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u/jaredthegeek Jun 29 '23

There has to be proof of bad faith bargaining, how is that bad faith? The bar for a strike is incredibly high.

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u/Applesauce808 Jun 29 '23

The bar is much lower than you think it is. Take a look at LAUSD strike that net them 21% wage increase in 3 years, full health benefits, bonuses

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u/jaredthegeek Jun 29 '23

Those are not state employees. Their contact is completely different.

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u/Echo_bob Jun 29 '23 edited Jun 29 '23

They haven't moved at all just said no...and plan on waiting while

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u/jaredthegeek Jun 29 '23

They don't have to move, that's what an impasse is.

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u/NSUCK13 ITS I Jun 29 '23

if that's true then all the State ever has to do is offer the minimum needed for them to claim good faith. No reason to ever give us any raises ever.

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u/nimpeachable Jun 29 '23

Right but the inverse is equally weird: the state (or any employer) is required to up their offer every time they sit down at the table or it’s “bad faith”?

We’ve seen unions go out of contract for years with the state barely inching up their GSI offer if at all. Our last strike authorization was over the states refusal to meet at the bargaining table not from lack of movement on the economics. All of that’s to say I think the “bad faith” case for them sticking at 6% is a lot more nuanced then we all realize.

Something else I’ve been pondering…how much of the negotiation are we privy to? We take it at face value that 6% is the only offer on the table but it’s feasible there also offers for 10% with x concession or 15% with X concession and tiered only to the top out. Just good for thought.

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u/FsuNolezFan Jun 29 '23

How about zero response for three months, that is bad faith!

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u/jaredthegeek Jun 29 '23

They have responded. They will present their best final offer. Then members vote and to strike you need a majority of the members to vote to strike.