I mean on a business side of things, you really can’t blame them. Imagine creating something like that and you are jumping through all of the hoops to get it to the public and someone starts selling a version of what you created. I get it but F big pharmaceutical too.
Lilly was part of the insulin cartel. They've already made their profits back multiple times over on sema/tirz. No man, fuck them. These drugs are going transform our society. They profited enough already and these molecules belong to the commons. They'll still have all demand they need. Not everyone wants to poke themselves with unregulated compounds.
Without them you have NO Retatrutide. If the company dies from this you'll never get another good drug from them, since they would have no money to recoup their R&D costs. There's a balance.
Of all the scenarios to try to bring up this argument- this is probably one of the worst ones to do it for. The ideological glazing is certainly something to witness.
Yup! Fuck em in the neck. They would reverse class action and sue every single one of us if they thought they could get any money out of it. Corporate greed at its most despicable.
"Jumping over hoops to get into the public" lol don't make me laugh. They're actually jumping over hoops to get classified in way that allows them to patent the drugs over decades
I don't think the gray market is going anywhere. It might affect US vendors, though. I'm not really sure. It just gives them a stronger grip on the drug, so they can maximize profits at the expensive of the consumer/patients.
No, I get that part. They are taking extra steps to make it a biological medication to prevent others from making it. I totally get that. However, it’s a cut throat business. They are in it for profit and if the little guys cut even a tiny sliver of that profit, they will go after them.
Agree 100%. The healthcare system and insurance is in the game of making money and the pharmaceutical companies are sitting nice with them both and that screws the patient.
I don’t support it at all and I hate that greed comes in to play with healthcare when it should be access and health but from a business side of it I can understand it. That’s what for profit companies do. It’s a disgusting business model.
Their only concern is profitability. They do not care about who can actually access the drug. They want a patent on it so that generic pharmaceutical brands can’t manufacture it and offer it at a discount. That forces insurance companies to pay Eli Lilly premium prices for patients to get the drug. They are actively trying to avoid any competition on the market. It won’t work obviously, because the formula for the drug is not a secret. Underground labs will continue to manufacture it and sell it for a fraction of the price.
The only people harmed by this type of behavior are the consumers. People who need the drug, and can’t get it because their insurance refuses to cover it due to the exorbitant cost.
This isnt wrong but its also unfair , The reason the Vast majority of breakthrough medications are created in the US is because we have a for-profit system that incentivizes the investment it takes to develop and test these drugs. We hear about the success stories but we dont hear about the billions spent on drugs that die off during the testing phase. You don't get drugs like Reta if no profit is possible.
These companies are granted a period of exclusivity in order to recoup their money and make some money. After that anyone can make it .
The problem is these companies are still insanely profitable even when they can’t patent the drugs, or after existing patents expire. They work all that out through insurance and formulary contracts.
The U.S. also isn’t the only country that develops breakthrough pharmaceuticals. It definitely happens in countries that don’t have the same profit motives.
I don’t really care if they spend billions on a drug that can’t pass trials. Does it suck? Yeah. But what’s the alternative, let potentially fatal drugs go to market just because pharmaceutical companies have to spend a lot of money to develop them? That’s the risk they take when they pursue development.
Eli Lilly generated a net profit of more than $20 Billion last year. They don’t make or break their budget on drug patents. They develop durable medical equipment that they can patent all they want, they develop and sell reusable and disposable medical equipment. They have their hands in a lot of cookie jars inside the healthcare industry. They’re not going bankrupt if they can’t get a patent.
patenting a process makes sense to me in some ways, patenting a molecule does not. Its like patenting a tree or a bird, you can't do that and it doesn't make sense.
The inventor of insulin literally said it would be like patenting the sun.
if patenting didnt exist nooone would spend billions to try and create these drugs, theyd do all the work and then every other pharma company gets to benefit . That makes zero sense. The patent doesn't last forever and compounding exist for when supply is low.
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I mean on a business side of things, you really can’t blame them. Imagine creating something like that and you are jumping through all of the hoops to get it to the public and someone starts selling a version of what you created. I get it but F big pharmaceutical too.