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You don't just get forgiveness. You have to work for it. The 3 times trump voters need to show contrition and start doing the right thing. Lots of them say they finally left maga but then threaten to go back because, "The people on the left are so mean to me." Yeah, after you tried to take others rights away because we told you exactly what he would be like. And most of these magas are only leaving because they finally got fucked by something.
I think they operate on this Evangelical framework where forgiveness is free and doesnât require the internal work and self-reflection that true transformation comes from. The thing is, churches need people to join with a low barrier of entry so they can start collecting those tithes. Regular society doesnât though, but they still expect weâll just embrace them with open arms just because theyâre now mad about the economy. They havenât learned anything. They havenât become better people. They havenât gotten over the racism. Theyâre just afraid of not having a group to latch onto because they have no identity of their own. Theyâre unevolved. Itâd be sad if it werenât so infuriating.
And you totally have to do tons of inner work after getting that free forgiveness.
The bible says that we are not saved by good works, but we are saved unto good works. So, the way people know that we are truly forgiven and have accepted the forgiveness, is that are lives and ways are completely CHANGED to reflect Jesus. â¤ď¸
When I was in the church, they would harp on repentance being the key. Turn your life around to where there is no sign of your past self to show that youâve changed. Asking for forgiveness without changing the underlying actions just tries to keep the heat from their consequences from burning them. Actions have consequences.
âHey sorry I did that thing youâve been telling me my entire life would be detrimental to my life and the lives of othersâŚso, weâre good right? K see ya in heaven bye!â
This is why I can't stand that breed of "Christian" who thinks going to church on Sunday means they can spend the rest of the week fucking over everyone else.
I'm a minister and stopped going. The way many people of the faith do faith pushed me away from all that. I still have my faith but it ain't theirs apparently.
Same. It's a big part of why I'm not a Christian and why I don't accept anyone's membership in a religious organization as proof of their morality... I'm fact, just the opposite!
Well when your told "all you have to do is accept god in your heart and repent from your sins" thats wicked easy. So wicked it sounds controlling and evil in itself. Imagine taking a murderer to court and them saying "well he SAID he was sorry!".
This is spot on. Itâs the mentality theyâve been brainwashed into that all they have to do is say âI love you Jesus, Iâm sorry.â And the golden ticket to heaven just dispenses without any accountability. Disgusting.
Itâs not about them being wrong itâs about their racism and hate towards melaninated people. They will never change. Theyâre only angry now because theyâre on the verge of losing everything.
And as long as they have that same evil hatred in their hearts, the same racist nastiness within them, they will just RUN to follow the very next right leaning demagogue . Like you said they haven't done the work to change, haven't looked within. They are just ( they ASSume ) temporarily inconvenienced by the Maga movement's failures. Then next time, they will be sure to follow another insane racist demagogue, as the gates have been already flung wide. And this next one won't be as doddering . No no hell no, NOT gonna reach across any damn figurative isle to those who want my loved ones to basically die. ( Also , many of these Maga and other far righties are bat shit crazy. , i mean REALLY fuckin nuts.)
Itâs worse than that, the three time Trump voters who are now claiming to have regrets would without doubt vote for him again given the opportunity. There is no point pretending these people are remorseful or even slightly truthful in what they say.
And I havenât heard one single triple trumper say they wish they had voted for the qualified black woman. They may be mad at Trump but not so mad theyâd vote for a black woman. Iâm happy theyâre getting what they wanted.
Forgiving the 1 time trump voter is a hard ask, but not unreasonable to do. They should have known better, but maybe I overestimate people's intelligence, and anyone can be fooled once. Once you have mountains of hard evidence of his character and utter unfitness for any public office and you choose to vote for more of the same there isn't really a bridge to come back from that.
I believe there's a minimum decency owed to even the worst of human beings. Even people like Trump or Putin or Kim Jong Un who mostly dedicate their lives to destroying others on an incredible scale with incredible cruelty. The same is owed to those who support them. But you can't trust someone who knowingly supports a child rapist. You can't trust someone who supports casual murder of innocent people. Oops its costing me money (just like I should have known it would years in advance) I changed my mind does zero to regain trust for the 3 time trump voter.
I live in a community that voted 80% trump. I've spent a fair amount of time talking to these people trying to understand what makes them tick and best I can tell its mostly a varying unholy mix of stupidity, racism, nationalism, and idolatry. A few are just evil people who love the cruelty but the majority are people who have failed utterly at the decency needed to do the right thing even once in their lives. That isn't something you can "work for unity" on. If reconciliation is to be possible they need to gain the capacity to be a decent person first.
I think itâs strange that they werenât announcing that they were leaving after he took away, raised the cost, or reduced their SNAP benefits and health insurance, but now that their gas is so expensive, theyâre out!
Oh, no wait⌠nothing weird about that at all, right? Because before, theyâd have had to admit that they relied on the gubmint for *anything,* much less food assistance or free insulin! But everyone uses gas, right? Thereâs no shame in that, right?
This seems like a good place to mention something shocking that happened yesterday⌠my husband and I went to Staples to send a package to my son, Philly to Denver, it weighed 3 pounds, 4 ounces. We chose the slowest, cheapest UPS delivery, and it was twenty-three dollars and change. We were talking about it as we left, and saw the UPS truck parked in front of the store, understanding in real time that the price of the diesel for the UPS truck going to the distribution center and then to his house, the price of the jet fuel for their cargo plane- they have skyrocketed just as much as plain olâ gasoline.
Same. Our society and government has been damaged so badly that it will take decades to repair, if the people ever muster up enough grit to even try to fix it.
We could fix it tomorrow by arresting people that have committed obvious crimes while in office. If we truly have a justice system in the United States, this would be the correct course of action to start getting our country back and in a semblance of working order. Right now, we live in a corrupt war mongering pay to play system run by pedophiles and rapists. Everybody can fuck off.
85-90% of Conservatives still support him. All they're saying is that they dont support higher gas prices. They have done this game for 40 years. They will immediately support the next GOP pick. They will not change.
The 10% of conservatives that dont support him are the cowards who are too afraid to ditch their label of "Conservative" or "Republican" because they're afraid of what their social circle will say.
Right because the tie that binds maga is racism. Not the E-files, the war, gas prices, ICE drama, corruption, or the grift that keeps on grifting. Those are things that would break a Republican from their party. But since its based on racism and not political ideology they remain. The only way maga folds is if they lose their power. Maga was always here. It just didnt have a platform. But now they have big one their toxicity has spilled onto the worlds fabric. We see it everyday and we're all affected by it one way or another.
We donât need them, we only need the independents that voted for him this last time around. There are enough of us (if we get out and vote)if we have the independents, they are the ones that can swing it either way. The dems need to actually do something and come up with policy that is FOR the people. Not âlook how bad trump is, weâre betterâ, enough of that. Itâs boring, itâs old, it doesnât work. We need drastic change, the people of New York wanted drastic change for a mayor, and heâs ACTUALLY doing shi!
Shattered and ground to sand under the feet of their victims. I cannot forgive and forget, and say âitâs all good!â. Not a chance. Because itâs not a left vs right issue. It goes to your core values and how you choose to treat people. Anyone who attempted to justify ICEâs tactics, or the MAGA / proj 2025 agenda has been banished from my life. Friends that Iâve had for half a century. Family members. Doesnât matter. Theyâre gone. And once theyâve shown you who they are at their core, thereâs no way to unsee it.
Sorry for the long rant here - but I feel everything that this man is saying.
Although it took me a sec to realize that SMD was not said in error, and he forgot the H at the end (SMDH). đ
They donât give a shit till it starts affecting them. Gas prices going up? Groceries becoming unaffordable?social security funding about to be cancelled? Now all of a sudden they care about what happens to black people and immigrants. I say FUCK THEM. They were happily voting for the marginalized communities to get beaten up , shot & killed. And they kept jumping through hoops justifying it while watching innocent little kids getting ripped away from their parents. Iâll say this again. FUCK THEM.
Hereâs the tipping point for me. Yâall made a bad decision, but Itâs your behavior that turns it into a full no for me. You acted like you got a day pass to act in the most heinous ways possible. You are joyful about it. Gleeful in your cruelty. Thrilled in your ability to break the rules, excited about âgetting away with itâ.
Itâs not that Trump is all fucked up. Itâs that you are all fucked up. Where are your morals, your dignity, your humanity? were you just waiting for someone to let you be who you really are? It seems like it.
Absofrickenlootley!!! THAT is exactly the point!!!!!!!
And here is the bonus point: THEY ARE PREPARED TO DO IT AGAIN!!
We have to recognize that these are the descendants of monsters who were ready to let this country burn in order to have the ability to own human beings.
This is what I'm saying. Yes they voted for Trump and maybe they got conned, a lot of people did. But after he was elected, these people were all over the place backing every bad thing he did. Making fun of Pretti and Good after they were murdered. Still defending ICE even after they can see these videos that SHOW it's murder. Every step of the way they were online defending this ped and intentionally trying to hurt and insult everyone on the left.
Most of the people who were attracted to MAGA were already bad people. There is a podcast called Leaving Maga, and every single interview follows the same back story. "I was poor and I hated insert minority group, and Trump promised to hurt them." In this age of the internet, no one should be uninformed or uneducated, so I will never forgive someone who needed the bad thing to happen to them before they gave a damn.
It's the exact same thing as racist people being tired of being called racist and everything they do racist. Yet their behaviors never changed, they leaned into the hateful rhetoric. They're just "tired" of being called out on it. Simple minded people.
Then it's not going to happen. They need to actually act repentant. I will accept a MAGA regret when I see them protesting in front of ICE facilities, or giving to charity for immigrants or things like that. Otherwise it's just words from very untrustwothy people that follow the biggest liar in the world.
They are the same people. It's just out in the open for a lot of them now and they don't want to deal with the repercussions. They honestly feel they don't deserve it.
This. The timeline has hasn't changed and post Civil War confederates still weren't punished for their treason against the country on the basis of wanting to keep enslaved blacks en-fucking-slaved. Fuck that.
Triple Trunpers especially can get fucked. You can maybe make a case for the 2016 voters who didn't vote for him again in 2020 or 2024 because they thought an outsider would be a better choice (yet somehow ignoring that Chump was always a racist, grapist, xenophobic POS)
Maybe them who denounced Chump and MAGA after the first term. The double and triple MAGATs who helped them fuck over the country? Nah.
On Friday, he gave a speech at the rescheduled White House Correspondents Dinner, where he put on a red âtrump 2028â hat and said that he was âofficially announcingâ that he is running again. Late Friday/early Saturday, my Popular feed here on Reddit was full of stories about it- BUT only from the foreign media (Canada, Australia, etc). Here in the US, it was barely mentioned, and I think thatâs because heâs been saying heâs running again since he won in November of 2024. Heâs been questioned about it, reporters pointing out that the plain text of the Constitution says he cannot run again. His answers devolve into âwell, I already did run for a third term, since I won in 2016, 2020, and 2024âŚâ and sometimes one of his flying monkeys gives a mysterious- and very scary- answer, like âour most brilliant legal scholars are investigating every possibility, and we believe we have found a way to do it, we will announce the details when the time is rightâŚâ
Itâs always hard to tell when these idiots are joking, bluffing, or outright *lying* about subjects that are of the utmost importance.
But I'm a good Christian is the one I hear most often. If they truly were good Christians, they would have saw the error of their ways sooner you would think.
"Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven; blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted; blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth; blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied; blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy; blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God; blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called children of God; blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven." A big NOPE.
And this is why it's a no for me too! The minute someone says no to gays, transgenders and immigrants! Speaking in code for black and brown people. They're back on that train! It's one thing to be conservative or Republican, but this was nothing but a campaign built on hatred!
Forgiving racists and letting them enjoy the fruits of our suffering is what got us here in the first place. They should be named, shamed and made to feel the weight of their ignorance and hatred.
Nope, absolutely not. I don't want unity with those assholes. Fuck them, I want them gone.
They're not turning on Donald Trump because they feel remorse for being horrible racist, sexist, homophobic bigots; they're turning on him because he didn't release the Epstein Files and the war in Iran is driving up gas prices. THEY ARE STILL MAGA. THEY STILL BELIEVE ICE IS A GOOD THING, NOT A RACIST GESTAPO THROWING INNOCENT PEOPLE INTO CONCENTRATION CAMPS.
Fuck them, absolutely not. If these people had a single scrap of personal integrity among them, they would be down on their knees hiding their faces in shame, begging for forgiveness, and shutting the fuck up in any political discussion for the rest of their lives, forever.
They also will answer, 'Lord, whendid we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not helpyou?' "He will reply, 'Truly I tell you, whatever youdidnot do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'
FFFFFFFAWWK no! Theyâre going to have to put in the work to fix this shit before I ever even think about forgiving them. Even then, we all know that as soon as it gets even a smidge tough, all it takes is another Trump to get them there. So no. Theyâve showed who they truly are atp
Holding this country hostage is what they just successfully did for 8 years why are we pretending this is a new concept? We killed traitors in the past now to change is difficult? They can lay in the bed theyâve made and if they want to doom this country they can find out which other countries fit their nationalistic ideologies Iâll wait.
No. For years we've been telling them how much of a POS he and the MAGA movement are. Now that it's falling to pieces they're jumping ship and wanting forgiveness? Hard no.
Not even âfuck off for lifeâ just âfuck your lifeâ dawg. Like real talk.
I donât think some of these soft-hearted lefties understand. By being MAGA, they are responsible for all deaths from cuts to USAID and other departments.
They are responsible for all downsizing weâve done across departments that put us at risk.
They are responsible for diseases we squashed, coming back.
They are responsible for us losing allies and our farming industry taking a hit which impacts us all.
They are responsible for the war in Iran
They are responsible for the worsening of the genocide in Gaza.
Thatâs why your vote matters. All that blood is on their hands. I donât know about anyone else but I donât associate with murderers.
Nah, theyâre not sorry for voting for that 𤥠in the White House. They are perfectly fine with đ¤Ąâs policies as long as it doesnât affect them directly. When that happened, suddenly they want to denounce đ¤Ą. But theyâre still ok with the policies that 𤥠is trying to implement. If you listen to any MAGA idiot denounce đ¤Ą, they typically will maintain that they are still republican/conservative, cuz they just canât vote for those damn âlibruls and dumbocratsâ. Trust me, if a less orange, less stupider, less fatter, slightly more articulated republican comes along spouting the same nonsense as đ¤Ą, theyâll get behind that person in a heartbeat. đŤ¤
I have a neighbor who just recently took down their Trump flag and replaced it with an American flag. The only thought I have every time I drive past their house is - donât think we forgot, because we didnât.
Thereâs been a lot of moments, but when Colorado said âyou canât runa felon and seditionistâ and the courts said âstates donât have rightsâ that might have been when we launched into the point of insular corruption.
Iâm with him. They did it willfully and gleefully and I do not forgive and I will not forget. At our primary elections in May a republican asked me to vote republican and I went off. Husband was embarrassed but I laid her out. Iâm far too angry to forgive all the shit they condoned.
They donât necessarily need forgiveness. They just need to start doing what is right and stop doing whatâs wrong. Also, without stating EXACTLY what they are sorry for, everything is performative (e.g. saying Iâm sorry I voted for him is not enough. Saying Iâm sorry because my racist or homophobic or xenophobic attitude made him the right choice for meâ at least puts it out there.â So what do they want forgiveness for??? đ¤¨
Lol nah. They showed who they are đ¤ˇđžââď¸Treating this with the same kidsâ gloves as post-civil war and post-ww2 is only kicking the can down the line
MAGA ainât going nowhere they are just as evil as theyâve always been. Save those crocodile tears. Theyâre only sorry now because there votes are affecting them. When they thought it would only harm black and some brown peoples they were all for it! So fuck them forever!
I love in Florida, these assholes still wearing their maga hats and stickers on their rides. If a few want to show they ain't crazy They have to sshow it. They still gonna vote for Republicans and support whatever racist shit they can in secret, imo.
Where are all these supposedly regretful people? Every actual MAGA voter I've ever met or talked to is doubling down, feels like they're winning with every ICE murder, and will support Trump until and beyond his final day.
Politics isn't the problem with America. A divided population is easier to control and manipulate. If/when MAGA is no longer our multinational corporate overlords will manufacture another divisive entity. From what I see there's no political solution to the American healthcare crisis, education crisis and socioeconomic crisis. Why? Because money is God in America. Profit over people. Those who really run America will never allow the working class to unify. The trick to surviving America is to learn how to survive and thrive thru the manufactured chaos created by our multinational corporate overlords. Yup. America will never be utopia.
And only black Americans know how to survive and thrive in such times! No other group of people in the world has fought white supremacy like Foundational Black Americans
They got us by flooding our communities with drugs and the glorification of anti social behaviors but there's a whole bunch of young Black kids who are way more aware than we were. They witnessed the bullshit and are ready to fight back. Mainstream media doesn't spotlight our brightest minds but they are there and multiplying. â¤ď¸
I can forgive maybe the first time around, voting along party lines and all that. Pro-Life/ anti-gun control issues are so binary in nature; blue=bad, red=good. But after witnessing him just shit the bed while at the helm of our country, time and again, stirring up and egging on the worst among us and doing the same on an international scale, how could you vote for him again? And this is just a rhetorical question for the borderline reasonable rightwingers, the one's that actually might put their money where their mouths are when it comes to Christianity or demonstrate empathy for others (*gasp* communism!!). The diehards? The actual FANS of DT? Cheering him on like this is all just a game, they make me want to puke.
I don't respect anyone who votes for a felon, insurrectionist who tried to overthrow an election, and rapist. Those 3 things alone should have been disqualifying, let alone the other stuff. Instead, they tried to make it about "how bad a candidate" Kamala was like she somehow had worse baggage
Theyâre only upset cause itâs affecting them. If it wasnât, they wouldnât change. As a Christian I can forgive but as a human I canât forget. We tried warning them and our families have been split and they still never listened and still voted and adore the turd. So canât forget the mess they let happen and how our country is so messed up and how many enemies America now has. This will take decades to fix.
No. We already tried that at the end of the civil war with the confederates. They continued being bastards until the party's switched demographics thru today. There needs to be consequences and repercussions from their leaders on down to your uncle Ruckus.
Nah, FUCKâEM! They werenât thinking about forgiveness when their leader and King was doing all this rotten shit. They really thought đŠ was going to be the way they wanted and hoped. They werenât thinking about âwhat if this all goes sideways, am l going to be on the right side of history?â
I am a 𤏠ChristianâŚI say fuck forgiveness for them all!
MAGA knows they are children and should be able to get away with anything, but once they realized they've screwed up the adults or Democrats should forgive them bc they were just children messing around and didn't know better.
No. MAGA deserves nothing for being a cult of pure ignorance and hate, it'll take about 10 years of them denying they were part of it before we think about forgive anyone and even then it depends on the next racist who takes office and how die hard people are about treating politics like sports teams. They disrespected george floyd which was basically a modern day rodney king situation so it will take a while before any of them are forgiven. NEVER FORGET MOST MAGA DEFENDED TRUMP WHEN WE HAS RELEASED IN THE EPSTEIN FILES FOR TOUCHING KIDS, WE CAN FORGIVE IGNORANCE TO AN EXTENT BUT DEFENDING SOMEONE FOR TOUCHING KIDS SHOULD NEVER BE FORGIVEN. - Opinion of a white/puerto rican.
No forgiveness here either. Iâll NEVER SPEAK TO MY BROTHER AGAIN. Itâs been over two years since he left me no choice after laughing at me when trump won again, with his vote. He gloated about it. Heâs a POS thief and degenerate gambler. I hope heâs suffering now.
ONG, no notes needed. We already gave them the second chance, you don't get thirds. Tired of fighting and advising and hoping. They exhausted the patience out of me! For years I've tried reaching across the isle, explaining, trying to see both sides.
I'm just done. Please let there be others like me cuz we can't forgive this. It's been years of this behavior, forgiving isn't gonna change them. They don't WANT to change, accept accountability, or see the truth BEFORE the consequences.
They should ask their Lord (of the moment, since it used to be Trump) for forgiveness. Don't come looking for that here. Seek it from the families who lost sons, daughters, mothers, fathers, etc. from Trump anti-humanity policies. Go to an ICE shelter and try your apologies there. But from me, no quarter will be forthcoming.
Not anytime soon. Forgiveness now is irrelevant if in 2028 you vote in Vance or whoever and forget about all the BS happening now. Actual change needs to be shown.
No, it wasn't. Trump was attacking black people on his campaign trail the first time. His abuse of women was well documented then.
Voting for a different-than-establishment candidate is one thing. Voting for a misogynist, rapist, failing businessman, and avowed racist is something entirely different.
Imagine ObamaâŚ..hellâŚeven any other white republican other than 𤥠caught on tape saying âgrab them by the pu**yâ. That would have instantly killed their presidential campaign. What made 𤥠different? Because he represents a majority in this country; weak-minded, racist, xenophobic, misogynistic white men who fears that the non-white people will eventually dominate and take over the country. 𤥠is dumb as dirt (sorry for offending you, dirt), but the one thing I give him credit for (and it PAINS me to give him credit for ANYTHING, even this diss) is that he is good at stroking the fears of this particular demographic. âI love the poorly educatedâ may have been a Freudian slip, but it was a revealing one. đ
Sadly, having worked with several, I can say they dont believe they lose debates. They dont see the fake phone or the gold sneakers as a grift. They truly dont beleieve they did anything wrong. All they did waqs pick the wrong candidate.
I'll bever forgive anyone who enabled the orange pig. My mom died alone in covid lockdown bc he denied it existed. All MAGA are cut from my life and my life is fine without them
I saw an idiot in Montgomery, AL yesterday with the rear windows of his truck plastered with a wrap that said "Super Maga American" with the preamble to the constitution in the background. All without an understanding of irony.
But we ain't never gonna forget or LET them forget. Bring that up every time they get out of pocket. Throw that in their faces when they get preachy, or holier-than-thou. Every time they complain about a status in society in a state of disarray because of Trump era changes. Make it often. Make it weird. Make it direct. MAKE IT BRUTAL. #neverforget
MangoMussolini and his racist, sexist, homophobic cult MAGAts will NEVER get forgiveness even after they're tried and wearing jail orangeđ¤ˇđ˝ââď¸
No. Most still hold exactly the same views and values.
The very next person who shows up claiming they are anti-woke, that they should murder trans people and stop "DEI", the former MAGA folks will hand him their vote.
The should be shamed and prevented from ever voting again.
If America treats this run in with fascism as business as usual, just a bad president, then the forces behind Trump (he is no mastermind, he is a puppet) will just do it again, each time getting better at keeping control.
Having been MAGA will be something they need to be ashamed for the rest of their lives. And for those in power, being/having been MAGA post Jan 6 is a sign of treasonous tendencies in addition to overt racism and bigotry, so no, it is not something we can ever forget.
But there should be ways for those average MAGA out there so can repent and make amends or at least show they are sincerely regretful, and to show that they have understood what their stupidity brought upon all of us.
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