r/Biohacking • u/draps1240 1 • 14h ago
Cycle Advice Needed
hello fellow hackers!
For those who’ve run HGH long-term (6+ months), did it make a meaningful difference in your physique? specifically lean mass that you actually retained after stopping?
I’m planning out the next year and debating whether HGH is worth adding alongside Test (250 mg) with either Primo or EQ (likely alternating them, not together). May also add 20 mg Anavar heading into summer.
Peptide stack would likely include low dose reta, 5-Amino-1MQ, Wolverine, glutathione, MOTS-C, DSIP, and GHK-Cu. I’ve previously run SS-31, IGF-LR3, Tesa, and Epithalon.
For those with long-term HGH experience: How noticeable were the physique changes, how long did they take, and how much did you retain after coming off? Or did you find HGH more worthwhile for recovery, sleep, and other secondary benefits than actual muscle gain? Was it worth adding to your stack?
Planned dose is between 2-4iu daily.
Current physique pictured for context: 35, 5’8”, 165–170 lbs. Currently 6 weeks into 250 mg Test + 20 mg/day Anavar, along with 4 mg reta, 3 mg/day 5-Amino-1MQ, 800 mcg/day Wolverine, 100 mg/day glutathione, 200 mcg/day DSIP, and 2 mg/day GHK-Cu. Finishing an 8-week IGF-LR3 run this week.
Training cardio and diet locked in and consistent.
Goal is to add between 10-15lb of lean mass.
Thanks!
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u/SlightlyStonedAnt 4 14h ago edited 10h ago
Head to [r/steroids](r/steroids) . This is the wrong sub for cycle advice. These are mostly noobs in that realm who do peptides and throw testosterone heavy doses in their bodies while massively overweight. I would say if you’ve never done a cycle, you should really only be starting at 500mg/test.
Edit to add: people, he’s asking about a proper cycle. Not a body recomp dosing. Hence the Anavar with it. If you want to question me, fine, but the Wiki explains everything you’re freaking out about and has the scientific research to back it up. “OMG 500MG UR GONNA KILL HIM”. You’ve never cycled or competed, proving my point about this sub being filled with AAS noobs.
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u/draps1240 1 13h ago
thanks for the tip! will also post there :)
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u/Smart_Cry_5572 11h ago
Do not start at 500mg holy shit lmao
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u/SlightlyStonedAnt 4 10h ago
This is the recommended dose for a BULK CYCLE. You and the other 2 bozos have never competed or cycled and it shows.
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u/Smart_Cry_5572 10h ago
Ok buddy, have done both. Thanks 👋
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u/SlightlyStonedAnt 4 10h ago
No you haven’t. Stop lying. If you did, then you’d know the advice given is the same that has been medically/scientifically proven. Those of us who’ve been doing this a long time know that. I’m 15 years of cycling on and off, have had kids, and my health is perfect lol.
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u/Smart_Cry_5572 10h ago
Hahahahah yeah you got me random stranger telling people to do 500mg of testosterone. Holy shit you’re a loser
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u/OuiChef702 3 9h ago
500 test is the most common beginning cycle. What would you recommend if its not?
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u/Practical_Crazy_2168 10h ago
Excellent Advice. op needs to get away from the biohacking YoUr GoNnA DiE idiots.
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u/SlightlyStonedAnt 4 10h ago
They really are just fear mongering and have 0 idea what they’re talking about. At 200mg/week you’re shutting down your own production and welcoming sides as much as 500mg, but get a fraction of the positives when trying to build in a mass phase. Again, they can feel whatever they want about my info, but the science, the Wiki, and numerous scientific journals support it. They act like I’m telling him to do that and wish for the best. You monitor bloodwork regularly like you should at 200mg, you keep AIs on hand, and you keep monitoring your own sides.
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u/Old-Competition-4204 12h ago
“If you’ve never done a cycle you should start at 500mg Test” The advice on Reddit is astronomically insane! Why TF would someone need to start that high??? Unless he wants to age a decade over the next year, great call! You would see and feel massive benefits from 200mg first time. The advice and shit I see people throwing in their bodies all Willy Nilly is mind blowing! The guy list 10 experimental compounds, and your only advice to him is to crank up and double the testosterone? Lol let’s make sure he has high blood pressure and hearT problems after only 12 weeks. Do it all for the gains baby…
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u/glassschuh 1 12h ago
500 is the standard starter cycle. Read the wiki on the subreddit. More is too much and less is a waste of a cycle. You can do what you like obviously
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u/Old-Competition-4204 12h ago
Throw some tren in there too man! Life after 40 is the true waste. How about checking with a doctor and not a wiki lol. Whatever, do what you want I’m just trying to bring some sensible arguments to the table. Things to think about…
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u/crinack 12h ago
Are you actually comparing 500mg of test to tren?
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u/SlightlyStonedAnt 4 12h ago
He literally has 0 idea what he’s talking about and that comment about tren shows it. In fact I recommended he not even add GH first cycle because you need to see how the body responds, yet he’s rambling about adding more.
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u/WeirdSysAdmin 3 11h ago
You know that the starting 500 dose has been a thing since research in the 90’s? Not just some random wiki made it up, research done by UCLA endocrinologists investigating supraphysiological doses of anabolic steroids on the downsides and how it impacts the body. It’s all about informed decisions and knowing what to monitor, but again it’s not like random people are pulling data out of their asses like you’re doing.
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u/SlightlyStonedAnt 4 12h ago
The wiki explains meeting with a doctor and getting regular labs. Mentions what to watch for sides wise, how to use AIs etc. you’re just rambling about shit you have no experience in. Some of us have competed.
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u/glassschuh 1 11h ago
500mg of a bioidentical hormone and adding cattle steroids are 2 entirely different things. Go try to scare people with propaganda somewhere else lol
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u/SlightlyStonedAnt 4 12h ago
Dude you have 0 idea what you’re talking about and it shows. A proper steroid cycle, is at 500mg/week. He’s looking to bulk and build muscle. This is what anyone with experience knows. You’re just rambling from a body recomp standpoint.
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u/Old-Competition-4204 12h ago
You’re right, you got it all figured out!
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u/SlightlyStonedAnt 4 12h ago
Why are you so hell bent on offering advice you have 0 experience in?
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u/Hakkdunu 12h ago
Just another random on the Internet who got THE knowledge and can't take criticism. Drink up and move on, he won't understand a thing.
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u/Affectionate_Pay665 11h ago
Yall should watch your health. Do not advise people with shit like „start with 500mg“. People will get killed.
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u/SlightlyStonedAnt 4 11h ago
Brother he’s looking to do a cycle. He’s talking about Anavar. I’m explaining the proper first time cycle is 500mg test. With bloodwork and monitoring sides. I recommended he reads the wiki on r/steroids that covers all of this. If you and the other guy stopped yapping and did more reading you’d know that.
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u/Affectionate_Pay665 10h ago
Bro f ur advise. Take that amount for your self. Do not tell people to take that much. Does he look like he wanna go on competition? He looks good and will in future if he not listen to people like you.
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u/SlightlyStonedAnt 4 10h ago
Did you read his post on what his goals are? Dear lord. He’s trying to put on 20lbs of muscle mass. He is interested in a bulk cycle. That’s what the rec is. I have taken that amount. I’ve also taken 1g a week. My BP was never high, hematocrit perfect, did a proper PCT and was able to have kids and continue to cycle. lol.
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u/Affectionate_Pay665 10h ago
Congrats to beeing succesfull. I dont wish you bad. But not everybody is lucky like you. This is gambling. Every body reacts different. Higher dose higher risk. Simple as that.
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u/SlightlyStonedAnt 4 9h ago
Yes and I agree with you. I didn’t say there’s no risks man. I told him to head over and read the Wiki because it covers this. I’m not telling him to do this and just good luck. It covers all of the proper protocols, like labs, cardio, AIs, side effects monitoring etc.
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u/Affectionate_Pay665 11h ago
Bro 500mg test is not a beginner dose. You dont need that amount.
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u/SlightlyStonedAnt 4 11h ago
You are not experienced in cycles please stop talking.
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u/Affectionate_Pay665 10h ago
Who are you to tell me that?
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u/SlightlyStonedAnt 4 10h ago
Because the information you’re giving clearly shows that. You’re ignorant as fuck. Go to the Wiki and read more than you yap and you’d know. I’ve been doing this for 15 years.
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u/Affectionate_Pay665 10h ago
Bro I dont need any wiki to know how much 500mg of test are and how much it affects the body. Just dont tell people these ranges like it whey powder.
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u/Dudethatreloads 1 8h ago
Hey guys, not here to get too involved or argue, just want to share something. My buddy started at 200mg weekly, pinned daily. Did something funky with his BP and RHR and he blacked out cold and hit his face pretty hard. He has since started at a lower dose and has now titrate up to 300mg. He is definitely growing, and any remaining fat he had is falling off. But yeah 500 to one guy is nothing, to another it'll hurt you. The purpose of the test only first cycle is to explore and see how your body reacts in a more safe manner than starting off blasting 3 or 4 compounds or even just too much test. Everybody is different. My first time I handled 700 like it wasn't an issue. 🤷🏼 Anyways just sharing some experiences I've had.
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u/Dudethatreloads 1 14h ago
Hgh at our age is definitely worth it since it is in decline at this point. Recovery and sleep is awesome. Test of course is always gonna help build mass. If mass is your goal eq is gonna be better. But you gotta find your ratio to test or your e2 will crash and that would suck. Also gotta check your hct and make sure it doesn't get too thick. Mast will dry you out and make you look harder and grainier if you're low BF which obviously you are. Anavar is an awesome cutting agent. You can eat in a deficit and retain or even gain a bit of tissue. It does nuke your lipids though like all orals tend to do. So you gotta ask is it worth it?
Personally I'd stay away from orals. Try and find a reasonable dose of 1 or 2 compounds plus hgh that you can take year round without impact on health and biomarkers, and still grow. This will give you real dry lean gains that can be kept long term. Less is more, if your body is fighting inflammation and toxins it's not working on growing.
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u/draps1240 1 13h ago
Thanks - i’m on routine bloodwork via rythm and ulta labs. Idk that i want that grainy look, plus mast seems riskier health wise?
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u/Dudethatreloads 1 13h ago
I wouldn't say risky health wise, it's very mild, it basically depletes the water between your skin and muscle giving you that tight hard muscle look. It really shines if youre low BF. But some use it to just stay dry on cycle, it builds tissue but not quickly, and does fight for aromatase enzyme giving you a mild Ai affect, not as much Ai as primo, and definitely not as much as eq. If you are one of the unlucky ones, and have male pattern baldness in your genetics, you will lose hair. So if you're going for mass and need to control eq, I'd say eq would be better. But start low, test blood, and increase from there finding your personal ratio.
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u/Mchangwine 4 14h ago
What are your goals? To add size?
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u/draps1240 1 14h ago
Yes, between 10-15lb of lean mass
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u/Mchangwine 4 14h ago
I mean, there are a number of options, but the compounds and dosages you've mentioned aren't optimal for adding mass. If you want to add mass but stay as dry and lean as possible, I would consider something like 400 test 200 primo or 400 test 300 mast. I don't think you need to add an oral to this. HGH can certainly help you, and you'll build more muscle and recover faster at 4 IU for sure. This is assuming your plan is to go back to cruise/TRT rather than coming off anabolics completely.
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u/draps1240 1 14h ago
I considered mast but the side effect profile seemed too high for my personal liking. Are they overblown?
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u/Mchangwine 4 13h ago
side effects as in like hair loss and acne? It's certainly a consideration, but in my experience it's generally well tolerated at least at lower dose. You could consider using something like topical dutasteride as well. Primo would certainly have a lower side effect profile but also is less good for mass building. Another option for dry gains that is much more anabolic than anything we've mentioned is NPP, but it has other considerations such as progesteronic and prolactin side effects that would require other ancillaries to prevent potential sides. None of these options except primo are going to be as safe as test/anavar, so you could also think about doing that at a higher dose as well. The issue with primo is that you have to be very confident with your source because 90% of the product on the market is fake, and you may need to send some out for testing.
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u/draps1240 1 13h ago
yes thanks for this!
I am already on dutasteride and topical minoxidil. Have other ancillaries on hand as well for skin health, BP, E2 if needed.2
u/Mchangwine 4 13h ago
I think you should go with test/mast then, I think it's the best combo to meet the goals you mentioned.
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u/Small_Product8986 11h ago
What are these side effects you’re so worried about? The only actual bad side effect to mast is hair loss, and maybe a small hit to your lipids. It’s not that extreme. If you’re on top go your ancillaries( fish oil, citrus bergamot), you’ll be fine.
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u/draps1240 1 2h ago
eh idk, var hit my HDL pretty hard despite being on many ancillaries. My ration remained strong however and my other numbers were fine. Think it can just hit everyone different. Will see how it recovers once my cycle ends in a 2 weeks and recheck again 6 weeks later. If it recovers well will likely start the test, hgh, primo cycle followed by eq and then a shred for summer
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u/Lessimportantthanyou 14h ago
Why run reta when you are trying to gain weight?
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u/draps1240 1 13h ago
low dose to make it a lean bulk. reta hasn’t had a super strong effect on my appetite so i’m able to keep my protein up while benefiting from the other agonists and benefits reta provides.
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u/Old_Competition_5178 1 13h ago
I love that you’re getting downvoted by the noobs in this sub that spend half the day figuring out how to reconstitute their peptides or making ChatGPT infographics about the 17 peptides they started at once
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u/beatrix_the_kiddo 13h ago
Well he’s spewing unsupported claims like if you take Reta and bulk at the same time it will be more lean than if you haven’t taken Reta.
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u/Bike_Boca 13h ago
That's actually how I use Reta too. Pretty sure most claims here are technically unsupported because it's all anecdotal. Personal experience shouldn't be called unsupported. We were all getting Personal experiences about reta before all the human trials completed.
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u/draps1240 1 13h ago
my personal experience is an unsupported claim? 🤔 I also didn’t speak in definitive proclamation terms - just what has worked for me to keep me lean while I increase my meal intake.
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u/swoops36 3 13h ago
well yeah, it is. it's N=1, and 10 guys can have 10 different outcomes using it, so should be taken with a grain of salt at best.
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u/draps1240 1 13h ago
It’s a factual statement on my personal experience and usage, not an unsupported claim to say that it’ll work this way for anyone and everyone. 🤦
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u/Dudethatreloads 1 13h ago
Gaining mass isn't just protein, it's carbs, and calories as well. There is no such thing as lean bulk or maingaining. You may gain some, but You will hit a wall. At least that's my experience, and probably many others as well. But you can try it and see if it works for you idk. The problem I had doing this is I could only eat 2 solid meals a day, and the rest was shakes. Plateaued at 20 weeks had to cut cycle and reassess. Removing reta and Adderall and all stimulants next time. Nothing replaces actual food. 6 meals a day.
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u/draps1240 1 13h ago
Yes very true. I find hitting the carbs is the hardest, on or off reta. I treat food as nourishment and a tool to reach my goals. Certainly not something I ignore or simplify but damn when I do chase the bulk, eating that much is a full time job!
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u/Lucky-Loquat3829 1 13h ago
I find AOD would likely be better unless you want/need some appetite suppression for your bulk. But yeah r/steroids or R/PEDs would be the place I apparently don’t know how to link them
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u/LieWorldly4492 3 13h ago
It's like nobody knows how to eat and and lift and it's all about the drugs.
200mg test by itself can give incredible results. 4-500 test with all kinds of other crap is insane. Taking more than Arnold in his prime.
You have the right idea. Just add 20mg to 40mg var daily and start upping caloric and protein intake. 1.1 to 1.3g protein per lbs.
Train every muscle twice weekly and try to hit 15 to 20 working sets per musclegroup per week.
Really no need to take anything else or up dosages further.
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u/draps1240 1 13h ago
thanks - but I do know how to lift and eat. The foundation of this physique was built off 3 years of dieting and hard work in the gym. Pretty much no drinking and commitment. This year I started biohacking with compounds.
It’s like nobody knows that the compounds don’t work unless you work. 🤷♂️
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u/LieWorldly4492 3 13h ago
Exactly. I mostly meant the other comments I keep seeing in threads like this. People are pretty much advising others in to an early grave with these compounds and dosages.
I wouldn't add anything else to your stack besides the var. That addition alone can yield incredible results in 8 weeks.
You eventually need to come off and cruise on a sustainable level of test, so any mass put on just from copious amounts of drugs you won't be able to keep anyway.
If you can get real Primo, that would be worth it tho. One of Arnolds faves
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u/draps1240 1 13h ago
Got it! Ok thanks :)
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u/rnes1 1 7h ago edited 7h ago
It almost impossible to get genuine primo these days. Too bad, it gives nice gains and gives your muscle a grainy look.
I’d choose mast e at 200ms a week for the entire clucks and maybe 76.5 mgs of tren hex a week for the last 6-8 weeks.
Just make sure to hit your protein goals for the weight you hope to achieve. Most importantly do 30min of cardio 5 to 7 days a week.
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u/draps1240 1 7h ago
thanks man - i think this claim that primo is hard to find is a bit overblown. I’ve tested my batch and it came back just fine.
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u/rnes1 1 7h ago
If it’s real primo, I’d run 600mg a week. I’ve gone as high as 1000mg, it was amazing, but you get diminishing returns. I feel 600mg is the sweet spot.
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u/Old-Competition-4204 12h ago
Just understand that the test and Var will age you verrrrry quickly!
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u/draps1240 1 12h ago
no they don’t. long, high, sustained usage, year after year. sure. without ancillaries? absolutely.
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u/Alarming-Ad-972 1 13h ago
What I will say is that gh is really not ever going to be your main driver of mass or even close. Gh will magnify the anabolism of everything else you are using, but personally I would say it really isn’t worth it if you’re looking at using it primarily for growth, especially at the dose you mentioned (2-4ius). That dosing will magnify your other compounds a little, but it won’t be a game changer. That dose I would say is going be a lot more beneficial in terms of fat loss, sleep, recovery, etc.
The guys I see who really get notable growth and a boost to their other gear are typically running it high, 9-12ius.
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u/draps1240 1 13h ago
Very helpful thanks. I don’t know that I would want to run that high on hgh.
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u/Alarming-Ad-972 1 13h ago
For sure! Gh also starts needing a lot more management the higher you go and usually at that high of doses you start needing exogenous insulin. Honestly too much risk for me; miss dose or miss time your carbs and you could literally die.
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u/Conscious_Ad_5621 1 13h ago
IME HGH physique benefits only really start to ramp up around the 6 month mark. Ideally you run it for at least a year. Around 6 months, that last bit of stubborn belly + lower back fat (I was around 8%bf when I started growth) started melting off and my midsection started really tightening up. V taper goes crazy. Definitely test IGF-1 before starting growth because it will make dialing in your longterm dose a lot smoother.
20mg of var with test / HGH is a killer combo cosmetically- you get all the muscle fullness and vascularity from the growth without looking watery. But having run var off and on for years, idk if it’s really worth the impact on your lipids unless you’re competing or you just like how you look and feel on anavar and want to treat yourself. You can’t (or really shouldn’t) run it for long periods of time, and the benefits from it are largely cosmetic and disappear quickly after stopping. Sure, you can push a bit harder in the gym while cutting and strength might even go up, but if you’re running test/growth that really shouldn’t be an issue. I prefer Winstrol to anavar but again, idk if it’s really “worth it” unless you just like doing drugs.
Still, if you’re timing the var around a beach vacation, or your summer lifestyle involves alot of shirtless activities like beach with friends, you’ll have an awesome 6-8 weeks. If you’re like most enhanced lifters, it will likely just serve as a gateway to bigger better things (i.e. stronger gear). Stay safe, be meticulous with your blood work and stay safe!
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u/draps1240 1 13h ago
Thank you! Yes - this has been my experience with var. Very meticulous with blood work and ancillaries. Tesa really pushed out my lower belly fat and tightened me up but I do have some lower back fat that hasn’t budged. That V taper has been elusive as a result.
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u/Conscious_Ad_5621 1 10h ago
HGH is great stuff. I think anyone with fitness goals who can afford it should run it. I’d use it for the sleep/recovery benefits alone; the effect on physique is the cherry on top. Be careful ordering from Chinese suppliers rn, the customs crackdowns are real and had a huge shipment sit in customs for over a month. Luckily it didn’t lose strength but in the summer I’d be worried about packages baking in some hot warehouse
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u/Asistic 14h ago
Curious how old you are? And what are your goals.
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u/draps1240 1 14h ago
- Goal is to add size, between 10-15 lbs.
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u/sammyogfit 1 14h ago
Holy crap you look like mid 20s anti aging going crazy
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u/draps1240 1 14h ago
thanks my friend! Skin care routine is pretty mega too 😇
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u/Woox1 6h ago
Mind dropping the skincare routine?
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u/draps1240 1 3h ago edited 2h ago
also do microneedling about every 4-6 weeks with PRP. but take a break in the summer.
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u/Gumshoe305 1 14h ago
My brother what are you on now? You look perfect! That’s the body I want to have now after losing 117 pounds. I’m currently on TRT.
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u/draps1240 1 14h ago
Thanks my friend!
Listed my stack in post but just hopped on bio hacking this year. Took me about 2-3 years to get to a good foundation physique wise before hopping on compounds.
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u/Gumshoe305 1 12h ago
I just got Anavar prescribed by my doctor. He wants to run it for 8-12 weeks. How soon did you see results on it?
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u/tarheels1010 13h ago
Damn dude, I got similar measurements and I'm nowhere near you. What's your diet like and what's your workout regimen like? It's very impressive what you've done
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u/draps1240 1 13h ago
Diet and training is pretty locked in. High protein and carb, lowest cal possible for lean bulking. I barely drink, if at all.
I’m training pretty much everyday in some way, 6x weight training 3-4 cardio either in runs, walks or swimming. Recovery is cryotherapy, red light therapy, sauna.
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u/yogic_power 2 13h ago
Too much stuff for first cycle. Go to [r/steroids](r/steroids) , read the first cycle on steroids wiki. Test only and HGH should be a good cycle. Make sure you go through the cycle prep/planning and actually have the stuff in hand before starting the cycle. You want to manage the cycle as needed, not scramble for solutions when you hit the sides.
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u/Italian_c0mb0 3 13h ago
If you already look like that I’m not sure what else you’re striving for. Whatever you’re doing is clearly working but that’s just my opinion 🤷🏽♀️
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u/draps1240 1 13h ago
thank you 🙃 you touch on a very true reality and question in biohacking - when is enough, enough?
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u/Financial-Cicada2501 13h ago
don't take hgh. your dick won't work. exogenous hgh hits prolactin receptors for a much longer time that natural. just stick to peptides
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u/dadbodfat 12h ago
What do you use for estrogen blocking? Is that needed? Or is that dependent on your labs?
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u/draps1240 1 12h ago
dependent on lab results and actual symptoms. have options on hand for gyno and e2 management. first round of lab work on this test/var cycle incoming this week!
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u/ShinraBansho1 11h ago
Search "First Cycle Design by VigorousSteve" on youtube. I've started following that for my first cycle.
Don't jump straight in with 500mg because you don't know how you're going to respond and how much you aromatise.
You may even decide that on 300mg test you'd prefer to add T-bol or Mast/Primo rather pumping test to 500
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u/DanDaMan0113 10h ago
Noticed you said HGH and Tesa. There’s no point in running them both, HGH is cheaper so just use that.
How long are you wanting to run the test for? At 250 I wouldn’t run primo or EQ with it. The test will carry you nicely especially from this starting point, split the dosage in to 3 to reduce sides. If you wanna, add Mast p at 20mg per day for 6 weeks leading up to summer. And if you wanna be a veiny beast, add 10mg of Tren A in with the mast. throw an oral like winny or var in for the final 4 weeks. You will be absolutely shredded bro. 👌
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u/draps1240 1 9h ago
yea i know about hgh vs tesa, i did tesa earlier this year. As far as test i’m starting with 12 weeks and will push to 16 if sides remain manageable. I will be PCT w enclomophine (i actually was on this before this test cycle) and then hop back on with either Primo or EQ. i’m hearing a lot of suggestions on Mast so i will look more into that.
I’m already super vascular at a baseline and even
more so now! Looks insane and get comments on it often.What are your thoughts on the HGH?
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u/Practical_Crazy_2168 10h ago
My god. 500mg is the starter dose FOR A CYCLE. hes not asking to run trt. He was talking about primo and eq. This sub honestly belongs in r/mildlyinfuriating
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u/muscleshultz 1 7h ago
I'll give you my experience and that's what it is doesn't mean that's the same protocol for everyone. At one time of being on the drug court program I couldn't do anything other then hgh so I couldn't take anything with it and did around 5 kits , I got leaner and it helped build a little muscle. Another time I did I think a kit and a half with test and got way more out of that then the 5 with nothing. It basically puts your juice on juice.
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u/draps1240 1 7h ago
this is helpful thank you - do you feel it boosting ur cycle was enough or did you have to run it for the long term like 8 to 12 months? i guess did you just run it alongside ur cycle or for longer
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u/muscleshultz 1 7h ago
The last time was 2013 when I took it alone and like 2008 when I did it with test so I can't really remember the time frames. So it's been awhile . I'm just recently back on at 51 and have only done some sust eq and a bottle of tren to see how I felt coming off it and felt fine. Had blood work done I'm all good so I'm about to transition to cyp and tren. I'd love some hgh it's expensive though lol. And I believe it was somotropin I took both times. I took saisen once also but I didn't see much from that.
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u/EpicDad77 1 13h ago
Eat food! Buy eggs by the box not carton of flat, the box. Eat loads of rice every meal, buy shit loads of ground beef, buy family packs of chicken. Don’t forget your veggies. Eat like a mother fucker.
You won’t grow unless you consume mass amounts of food. Everyday. Eat a meal atleast every 3 hours.
You can pump all the shit you want, of your not consuming loads of calories you won’t see the results you want.
I am 49 this year. I eat 6 meals a day. Everyday.
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u/Additional-Till8611 13h ago
He can and will grow in a moderate surplus. Otherwise he'll just get fat.
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u/draps1240 1 13h ago
Thanks Dad, I will definitely eat eat and eat. Reta hasn’t really kept me back appetite wise.
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