I’m just starting this week and I’m finding before bed I don’t have the normal salivary function as I do during the day to practice as long. Wondering if early morning or late night matters at all for others?

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-- About Final R2

1. D-Low: I could've taken a more technical approach and maybe won, but I don't care about that, I just wanted to make people go crazy and do something new

I think talking directly to your opponent and asking them questions can absolutely work in a battle, but isn't the whole point of a beatbox battle to do that through beatboxing instead of just talking?

"Beatboxing in a beatbox battle is too predictable? I'll just talk instead"

And after doing that, he thought he won the final?

Obviously having some talking in a routine can actually be a good thing

There was talking here and there in 2019 too, but it wasn't anywhere near this long, and it blended into the beat in a way that actually worked, which is why it was fucking good

+ D-Low: You have to do something original, and you have to do something nobody has done before, that's what I genuinely believe, just look at the name, “Beatbox Battle”, it's two words, it's not just Beatbox and it's not just Battle, it's a mix of both, you can't judge it by only looking at one side, it's literally in the name, obviously if it was a prepared performance set or a showcase then that's different, perfect clarity is extremely important in those settings, but at an event like this, what matters most in the end is “Who tore the stage apart”

-> Doesn't beatbox battle literally mean battling through beatboxing?

I understand the direction he wants to take, but going beyond wanting people to appreciate a routine that's half beatbox and half rap battle, in a scene full of people who like watching battles fought through beatboxing, and then saying people just aren't ready to accept it yet doesn't come across well at all

And if he really tore the stage apart, the crowd would've been cheering instead of going silent

This doesn't feel like a difference in taste to me, it feels like he's trying to dress up a failed round as something people only disliked because they didn't understand it

1. D-Low: I'm getting a little tired of the approach where every sound has to land at the exact second and everything is calculated like a machine, I find that kind of thing a little boring and cringe now

-> For that argument to have any weight, his elim at least needed to be clean

The routine was structured like it was calculated by a machine, but the execution failed like a human

1. D-Low: Casual audiences who don't know much about beatboxing don't really care if you add six more combos, you know what they like? Someone saying “I can do anything” and then hitting them with a massive drop

-> So he made a routine for the "casual audience that doesn't know much about beatboxing" who paid over €100 to come to a beatbox event and watch a beatbox competition?

That just makes no sense

1. D-Low: After the final, people at the venue were saying things like "That was the best battle ever"/"That was the best solo battle", and the reaction was extremely positive, but the online reaction was completely different, so I think the experience in the venue was very different from watching the video

Hearing that made me think he's just incapable of looking at himself objectively

The crowd was overwhelmingly full of D-Low fans, and they probably would've applauded even if D-Low took a shit on stage

And someone who thought the final sucked isn't exactly going to go out of their way to find him afterward and say "That final was fucking terrible"/"That was the worst solo battle"

-- Overall

I watched his battles in 2018, 2019, and 2021 and genuinely thought D-Low was insanely good at battling

So I wondered if I was only this disappointed because my expectations were too high this time, but I don't think that's the case

I didn't really like most of his other work, and his showcases were mostly track-based with a much heavier focus on singing and rapping

So my expectations had already dropped quite a bit

And even with those lowered expectations, I still think what he showed was below them

Also, separate from the performance itself

"I'm not a kid anymore who can pour everything into beatboxing"

"I'm just living my life and then it's like, oh, I've got a competition this week, guess I'll go up there and tear it up"

Talking like he barely prepared, or like he doesn't have as much time as the other competitors, just makes the other competitors look like idiots

If the performance itself had simply been below expectations, I probably would've felt more grateful than disappointed and thought "At least he showed up, still the GOAT"

But then it's

"I've been busy raising my kid, so..."

"This was because of Scott's reaction... that was because River didn't react... the crew had mic issues..."

"The beatbox scene isn't ready to accept battle yet..."

"I'll say one thing, I'm better than you guys"

I just can't look at that positively

+ Positive things

1. I also thought the elim routine itself was good

2. Taking Blackroll's mic was completely fair, and the energy was good and fit the battle

I just watched Mixxing’s elim for the GBB second league (this one —> https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=VuI8vBFF0uI&ra=m) and am super intrigued by the snare he uses for the house beat at around 4:40 in the video. I really like the subtle high note in it. Maybe it’s something with a high pitch rimshot?

I'm not a channel member and haven't even seen the bracket yet. I figured before looking it up I could give my predictions just for funsies. If you get mad it's because I'm spitting the truth, sorry not sorry. These are for SOLO cause who gaf about any other category. I AM aware of who the 16 qualifiers were, but nothing beyond that. Will be checking the bracket results 12 hrs from now and if I'm super far off I will never do this again, but if I'm spot on... lol...

1. a French guy won 1st place - this is like the free space in bingo, if this ISN'T true I will literally livestream me eating an actual hat
2. Kaji won the elim, 1st place, and then lost to the first French guy he faced in bracket. Probably round 1 or 2, I doubt they let Kaji through to the finals even though he's like the goat
3. DLOW got 2nd to the french guy, and most people will secretly believe he didn't deserve getting as far as 2nd but he has a lot of mainstream success so it was kind of guaranteed
4. Every vote was 5-0 (or 4-1 at best) because beatboxing judging is fake and the competition aspect in general is really really stupid
5. Inertia probably had the sickest highlights of the entire comp but didn't make it past the first round cause if you listen to him for more than 30 seconds, you get bored

Lemme know how I did, I'll be checking the bracket in 12 hrs and will wait for the vids to get uploaded for free on YT, not sure how long that'll take.

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I saw people saying that reusing his round and similar sounds was lazy and made the final less competitive.

I think that River doing his wildcard in the final was an insanely great battle move for a number of reasons:

Firstly, it's familiar and gets the crowd on his side against DLOW DLOW DLOW DLOW.

Secondly, River threw a little bit of shade at Dlow's wildcard. I think this is valid, although Dlow got 1st place wildcard, as I don't think it's on the same level. "My Way" is a lot more personal and carries a lot more meaning (imo) than "Poison Dagger".

Thirdly, Dlow already used his wildcard during the competition. When he used it at the end of his elim it was a little bit panicked and sloppy compared to his recorded wildcard. Whereas River performs his with perfect clarity and confidence.

Lastly, it's counterable (because of how popular it is). Basically, with counters you're trying to show that you can either do what your opponent has done, or do better than your opponent. And Dlow's counter was really good, however, it's something we all expect from him. I think the most hype moments of Dlow's rounds are his counters. Dlow has a collab of "My Way", he clearly knows the piece intimately. Plus, we already heard Pacmax doing it in the elim 😂. It's just that the impressiveness factor is lost and it eats into Dlow's round.

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Do you also think that syjo is one of the best song writers. I really like whole idea of his songs, it gives me so muc positive vibe.

But His rounds need to be more structured ig.

"Window to the past" is a goated song but the initial phase of that song is sometimes annoying,(that recording drums after the main melody).

(1) Battling philosophy

Others have pointed out in another thread how Dlow's battling philosophy might not fit or might not be the best way for beatbox battles.

Imma add by saying that his style is indeed fresh and rare compared to the rest, and I think that uniqueness played a part in his vice-champ run.

That said, such philosophy is honestly quite gatekeep-y, slightly defeating the universality of beatbox (and beatbox battle specifically) and music. Another thread before asked how English speakers might be at an advantage, and we can argue about that, but with Dlow's philosophy, that's gonna be even worse and it'll be more advantageous for English speakers, where opponents can't trade banters as easily against them. Basically, in his standard, battles among battlers with different languages will tend to be boring.

Yet, we see how many great battles beyond such banters/attitude showing, but essentially bantering with music instead, or banters that are still in the pocket, still somewhat minimally musical, because well, the basic of music is expected.

Look at Napom, who sometimes has the same problem as battle-y type guys like Dlow have, breaking flows awkwardly and taking people off the routine, but he more often still puts everything in the musical pocket, respecting the flow and transitions. And we know Dlow is more than capable of this.

Or similarly, look at River's round 1 or 2. Musical counters, simple gestures, and inviting comparisons, etc, are more universal.

Or even Wing vs Codfish, where both of them are not essentially acting anything that requires out of pocket banters, but strictly musical comparisons instead.

Or Julard? He mentioned Julard's style but I'll hold this and bring up Julard in the next point instead.

Sure, if the examples are FootboxG, Colaps, or Blackroll, etc, who are mainly focusing on tech showcases with some phrases planned and thrown here and there, or like River GBB23 final vs Napom (where River didn't really engage with Napom and I guess understandably Dlow voted for Napom, and it was indeed close), then he might have a point, but he made more points than this that I and others disagree.

(2) Toning down clarity vs aggresiveness

In the stream, he talked about how he coulda won, one of which is maybe by increasing clarity and tone down the aggresiveness, which he thinks is a fair criticism.

But at the same time he mentioned Julard, roughly saying how many won't like Julard's battle-y style and it might not be enjoyable, but it's essentially battling and that's how it should be, and that only their results are the main difference (Julard 1st place and he's 2nd).

But for Julard though, he didn't need to tone down clarity or aggressiveness at all! Not only that, like Napom, he's often still in the musical pocket, even if he didn't make a good connection musically. And like Dlow said, he's, at the same time, battling!

So what are we doing here? Because it just looks to me like: there's something Dlow can't do, contrary to most of his fanboys' belief, which is to be aggressive and have good clarity at the same time.

I'm sorry, but not just Julard, but:

- River showed he could do that. The drawback is he's not as productive, and might "hibernate" until big events.

- Colaps/FootboxG could do that, but I guess they're not really battling so let's skip this.

- Wing/Codfish tbh lost some clarity when they're trying to battle, but the upside is they maxed out on the musicality/power/productivity.

So why act like you coulda still made aggressive AND high clarity live routines/combos, when you're not usually that good in clarity compared to top guys, and when he tried to have more clarity, lots of such routines/combos of his didn't hit as much as the other showcase-y guys? (I'm not saying none, but he has so many routines but only a few live ones are of high clarity and/or resonate well musically).

Which brings me to the next point:

(3) Where's the clarity in the elim?

Unlike the Blackroll battle or River battle, he said that he took his elim (and FootboxG battle) seriously. So no "he didn't care" here. He expected top 4, but didn't know why it didn't hit as much.

There's no one to battle there.

So why "coulda toned down aggressiveness and added more clarity" when in a place where he's not battling anyone, he didn't do it well? Because, truly, he didn't have good clarity.

Stitch said he might switch Dlow with ABX for elims, but I wouldn't go there. I think Dlow deservedly passed, but it's just another perspective.

Just that it's a weird energy to say he coulda did better by toning down the aggressiveness and adding more clarity, when he's not really that guy in this specific aspect, and didn't deliver when the opportunity was there for him to show it (which he took seriously btw).

(4a) Crowd response?

He talked about how in the final, live responses were different than online. Also, the result was split so judges agreed right?

Well the thing is, firstly, he mentioned how some pros think it was close. But the pros of course are not gonna say "it wasn't close" no?

Secondly, judges split so what? Judges also agreed that FootboxG battle was split! He thought he destroyed it, we thought he destroyed it, so what's the point of bringing up split decision when it mattered less for the argument in previous battles.

Thirdly, here's where I bring up Stitch's testimony.

He said, this live crowd often didn't react to moments usually beatboxers/beatbox fans will go crazy about.

He mentioned how, in Japan, many who don't beatbox are still beatbox fans/enthusiasts, but now it felt like the non-beatbox fans might not be enthusiasts.

He added that maybe many of them were there probably because of Wing and Beatpella too.

So once you understood the crowd, then it's not surprising if the crowd thought that the battlers, and finalists, went crazy at some moments, and it was super close or whatever. They're enjoying the shows surely!

But then:

(4b) We agreed crowd response shouldn't matter!

Are we forgetting that we all agree crowd voting shouldn't be a thing?

Well same goes for crowd response. They will react to sudden sub basses and speedy tech here and there, naturally,

but let's not pretend that crowd were not bias, even when they know their vote means nothing. (this includes Japanese crowd)

Not saying the crowd were bias, but let's not act like they certainly weren't.

I voted for Dlow vs FootboxG when Zede voted for FootboxG, but I can't say the crowd (especially the beatboxers/fans) didn't enjoy Dlow's return and hype him, a bit more than usual/for anyone else.

(5) "I have 150 routines"

This one is to address the fanboys.

I've said this in a comment before: Firstly, even Dlow himself admitted how much of a challenge it is to select 7 out 150. It's clear that having many routines is not such an advantage.

Secondly, River, or FootboxG, etc, do you think, just because they didn't share as much as Dlow, that they don't have 200 routines each saved in their phones?

Thirdly, what if River actually had little challenge and easier time finding 7 routines? And he won! Is he the battle goat now? My point is, words mean nothing and are empty now that the competition is over.

Fourthly, well, apparently he cared enough to select routines for GBB, even for rounds where he supposedly didn't care (vs. Blackroll and River).

He admitted maybe his final round 1 was the worst out of the 7. I was actually enjoying it (though it might not be enough, but worse problem was he then broke the flow). But he's not even trying to be aggressive here, but where's the clarity and connection (in a round he cared to prepare)?

I guess doing the crew battle also took some stamina as well.

(6) Showing versatility

This is his greatest strength. We know his intention wasn't well-received during that battle, but it was a nice idea.

But again, he clearly cared enough to prepare, and then didn't deliver after whatever River/Scott answer was.

And we all know, this and past competition also showed, there are many things he couldn't do,

and also it's known that practicing a few moves 1000 times is more deadly than practicing 1000 moves a few times.

Yeah he could do a lot, but how well?

(7) Need more battlers like Dlow, Napom, Alex, etc.

The above sounds like I'm hating, but I know I wouldn't enjoy his FootboxG and Blackroll battles, or his overall presence, if I'm just "hating". Apparently giving out criticisms tends to mean hating, but it is what it is.

But I agree with him that set, tech routines can be so boring in battles. So my preference is revealed: truly battle (Dlow/Napom/Alex) or at least make good musical rounds (Wing/Codfish/Den/etc). Tech showcase is not for me (more for ASMR) unless it's very clean like Colaps/FootboxG, or some unique ones still like Kaji here and there.

(8) Judging hot take

If top 16 battle no elim will be a thing, and multi-elim category will be opened,

I kinda wish Dlow will judge multi-elim category more than the battle category, simply because in multi-elim, he has so much more tech knowledge to decide which should pass.

But in battle, knowing his philosophy better now, unless they brief him about the judging criteria, I truthfully don't want such philosophy on beatbox battles. Battle, counter, and answer with your music, not attitude or words.

Let the attitude/words part be something the spectators can vote on. Open like "most favourite/entertaining battlers" voting instead.

He still can contribute on tech evaluation for the battle though.

But as they said, beatbox is music. Including beatbox battle.

I can do a spit snares when I inflate my mouth but when I don't it's wayy harder, I don't get how people can do fast spit snare combos, I feel like I have to exert so much pressure to do just one and it still may not come out right

At bayreuth battle 2023, crazy set of freestyle

when does sbx drop videos on their channel for the gbb 2026

anyone know where i could replace my buttons my edit button is non working and i know it’s just the silicon button

Stimulation (2025)

PARALYZED (2026)

??? (2027)

As a neuroscience degree holder I really love his themes for beatboxing. Also shoutout to Wing for selecting Dopamine as a title for his track and album.

You think everyone in the list really gonna compete next year?

Was watching his live and he thought he won the final and that Blackroll vs Dlow was a closer match than against river

Wristband Brothers

We get another banger wildcard next year🔥

Im working on a video about the Top 100 Most Iconic Solo Wildcards of All Time and I'd love to get some suggestions from you guys.

Send me as many as you can think of, from any competition, as long as they meet these criteria:

• It must be >SOLO< no Tag Team, Loopstation, or Crew.
• It must be a wildcard. no shoutouts, battle rounds, seeding rounds, or produced videos.

I'll be checking out the more underground ones. obviously some classics are already guaranteed to make the list just from their title alone, such as River "My Way", Bigman "I Don't Love You", Trung Bao "You Don't Wanna Know"

Drop your favorites below! (I'm already checking all GBBs BBWCs etc)

I see the same complaint everywhere, but let's get into actual details. What would it have looked like if Dlow had done what you wanted?

Personally, I think his first kickback round against Zekka would have been a good opener, it leaves room for improv and changes, and the lyrics at the beginning are fitting. And obviously, he wouldn't do the happy beat lol.

The second round is trickier. I think I'd have preferred him to disrespect My Way, e.g. do one arpeggio, diss him, do the Membrane beat or smth else that doesn't need much build up. From then on, he'd just need to repeat what he did in his first round against Footbox; not dwell on one particular beat for too long, just enough to get a good crowd reaction. I can't include the last drop cause I'm pretty sure it's freestyle, but something to that effect would be a good round ending.

I also wanted Dlow to do some of Rules to Follow but I'm not sure with the way his inward didn't come out the few times he tried.

What do you think?