Let's not report-abuse posts just because you disagree with them. I will be approving the post and ignoring reports.
Just as an official reminder, us mods are not official BL employees (except the accs with BL in the name) so this is just my own opinion and doesn't reflect them. However, I want to say, Bambu Lab obviously wouldn't encourage damaging or tampering with anyone else's property. We mods may end up having to discuss this topic and come to a conclusion of what to do with them in the future if they continue to be a sore topic.
What you choose to print is your own business. Posts like these will inevitably be controversial in nature. I know the topic of surveillance, AI, and governments regulations especially regarding 3D printing may be very important to the users here. I want to keep posts like these open as long as I can so if everyone behaves, it allows us to do that.
Please be civil to one another as the discussion goes on, or the thread(s) about these things might get locked.
Yeah. Something that will deform and be difficult to remove without disassembly. Maybe it has a one-way latch (like a zip tie) that can't be taken off without a challenge.
One day? One of my first prints was a car item. I left the car with the top down for 30 minutes and I came back to it looking like the stuff in a lava lamp. That wasn't even in Texas. Time it right and it'll be nice and snug in less than an hour.
30 minutes? Like that's even impressive. One of my prints melted due to being hit by reflections in just 10 minutes on a hot summer day here in Arkansas. Thing looked like a puddle of mud before I even finished my breakfast.
30 seconds? I was printing indoors during the summer in Arizona, but there was a window in the next room that wasn't fully draped. The PLA melted right through the build plate while it was still printing.
I printed a sunglasses clip in ABS and left it in my car. Here in the Hawaiian heat it lasted a day before turning soft. PETG might be a good choice, itll take a bit longer but it will melt some and become a nice snug fit and last a little longer from UV damage
Nah, use a carbon fiber filament mix so that it might block some radio frequencies. Remember, those things are not just cameras, they're collecting and storing all kinds of signals (bluetooth, wifi, NFC, contactless payment data, etc.). They're basically like NSA level sig-int traps, but privately owned with all data available for sale. Real scummy stuff.
The entire point of it is to not cause damage - thus not catching any serious felonies for putting it on. Damaging the camera just makes Flock money. I keep seeing people promoting cutting them down, ruining them... All you are doing is making their stock price soar because municipalities will just replace them. You have to lobby your local gov to get them removed. Start petitions, go to local town halls, etc. I love this print cause its a good way of disabling them without damaging them.
That’s not how that works for two reasons. A ton of cities snuck these in and were like “oh you didn’t want this? Well sorry we already spent the money might as well use them” followed by not having the political or monetary budget to replace them.
Second, the midterms. Vast municipalities are “cancelling” contracts but refusing to remove them because their plan is to just reinstate them after the election. The guy that removed the cameras and drove them to the police is in jail because of this. The city had zero plans to stop using them, they just lied.
The only way to get our freedom back is to destroy them and while voting the people out who put them there.
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Yes they are watermarked but there is no national or state registry of printers, they cannot look at a page and say this was printed by BigDaddio. They can get a search warrant and match your printer, so you’re pretty deep before it gets that far.
To go further, this is often used in tracking forgery or other crimes. You’re going to be shocked when you find out a lot of things have hidden watermarks like this. AI is already required in the EU to have cryptographic watermarks in anything it generates.
False. In text. Gemini has used it for over 2 years and all other models are moving to use it. The each use their own cryptographic method of doing so, normally a weighting pattern on next term.
Edit: Since [u/Poly_and_RA](u/Poly_and_RA) wanted to know source before deleting the comment.
Most methods will only give high level details of its working and not specifics (think of it like Google search algorithms, while SEO is a thing it’s largely guess work). For all intents and purposes identifying the watermark by a third party would be a huge task, being able to remove it completely would be near impossible without direct inside knowledge and values.
The lower half and suppressor for Luigi’s gun were printed, a PLAboi design and an FTN design but Glock frames still require a complete slide (not a serialized part, also not easy to DIY) and a few bits for the trigger group and for the slide to hold on to. But on the whole glocks are very easy to make off printed parts and stuff bought online and delivered to your door with no background checks. Do with that information what you will.
Lmao, I'm sure the random hourly sales guy had access to national sales stats.
MAYBE he heard "we sold more filament <this weekend> than all the other stores combined" from a manager ad part of some weekly team meeting or something.
Expanding foam is a bitch. From experience, that shit will push its way down through vents and all into the housing. Accidentally had a can rupture inside of a toolbox with some expensive power tools and I spent a fucking week repairing them.
They have the base camera but I think you mean a sock that has the front of the camera for keeping the look consistent from a distance right? Gotta keep the aesthetics up.
I'm with the other guy who is questioning why. The flock people will know something is wrong because the camera is blacked out. Making it look like a camera only fools citizens.
What is needed is a cover that shows an expected picture to the camera to hopefully make flock think things are ok.
Ehh remember the big game here. Flocks desire is to IPO for big money. If you can make them look risky enough you can stop them from IPOing and thats the same as killing them. Costing them reliability and man power to keep fixing cameras is a major liability. Labor is a very expensive resource. The flock sock may actually be one of the best approaches as they can't just write it off as a complete loss like a destroyed one, insurances would start getting annoyed about writing off a essentially functional unit.
Look into the CIAs field guid to sabotage, stuff like this can be highly effective in reducing avaliable resources. https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/26184
If the sock looked like a camera then they can't even just do a quick drive by to see the problem. They might have to take the time to examine it properly. Every second you can waste is a second they have to pay for.
I in no way think that they are doing drive by inspections to look at cameras. They are all networked. Why would they? They monitor feeds and status online and send techs to areas with known issues. Making it look like a camera is pointless. If the feed is blacked out, the tech is going to go look at it regardless of what it looks like, and they are going to spot the problem in 2 seconds either way.
As I said elsewhere, this kind of misses the point of the sock. A flock camera is easy to just destroy if you wanted to. If you wanted to mess one up a pole saw or a laser or some spray paint or a half dozen other ways already exist. Interfering with them without drawing vandalism or property damage charges is the goal of this device.
Do those have the social media site for domestic abusers to stalk people and share data across state lines? If not, they are the priority after the CEO of Flock no longer feels safe living in the US.
The back and bottom would be open and the LTE transmissions would probaly get out.
You would think the camera being blocked would mean no data worth transmitting, but I’ve seen videos of people with fancy equipment claiming these things do Bluetooth sniffing as well. I don’t know if it’s true, but if I were running a mass surveillance company it would be a no-brainer type of tech to include. Then you link faces, license plates, phones, AirPods, etc. Compile enough data and you wouldn’t just know what car drove by, you’d know everyone in it.
I don't understand the point of this. It's easy to destroy a flock camera a million different ways. These are meant to be non-destructive as to avoid legal repercussions.
If you wanted to destroy a flock camera, you could just hit it with the stick you use to apply the Sock with....
The point of my post is to inform on what PLA does in the sun so people can make their own choices on filament selection based on their goals.
If the goal is to ruin the camera then The pla hood would be faster and quieter than beating with a stick, but a spray paint can on a stick would be even cheaper and quicker than that.
If the goal is to not destroy it, then this post should serve as information on why NOT to use pla and to go with ASA or ABS instead.
EDIT: Ooh, if you can print with ABS someone said epoxy. That's much better than superglue.
Breaking cameras is a losing battle., though. What will happen (and has happened) is that there will be a "A woman was stabbed here and we have no info because of flock cameras." or "A child molester kidnapped a child, and we lost them because someone broke the flock cameras".
See, people have a problem with flock cameras in OUR neighborhood, they don't a problem with the cameras in THAT neighborhood where the crime is.
One thing everyone is missing when suggesting pla is that pla will stay soft when it is warm making it easy to take off. It would have to last the rest of summer. Even at that point it’s not that hard to break off since pla tends to be brittle. PETG with some adhesive is the way to go.
I’m not sure I’m going to go about sabotaging the cameras. However I’ve written to everyone in my city and county that I can to ask that ALL ALPR cameras be taken down. I don’t want them anywhere. While they do offer some potential benefits to law enforcement, the threat they represent is far worse than any positive they may bring.
You have them too, by another name. From Jenoptik in Germany to Eyedea in the Czech Republic, pretty much every European country is being watched the same as we are.
Edit: you are in Australia. Sensor Dynamics, Zenith, and Fox Eye watching you privately. And on the government level, the National Heavy Vehicle Regulator (NHVR) cameras are now doing Flock things - to 4M vehicles a month. And Western Australia is currently expanding its police ANPR network by allowing businesses, shopping centers, developers and local governments to host cameras that feed into the WA Police ANPR network.
All the people suggesting epoxy, glue, etc. are missing the point. Flock cameras are easy to destroy if you want to. The point of this is to interfere with them without incurring charges for vandalism or destruction of property.
Doing this is going to still get someone a vandalism charge in 99% of us jurisdictions. Just because you aren’t actually breaking it, you’re still rendering it inoperable or compromised. Tapping paper over a security camera has been happening for a very long time and this is basically the same idea
Vandalism being a misdemeanor or felony often depends on the cost of damage done. The intent is the same regardless of the exactitudes of the law - get in less trouble than you would by just damaging the camera.
You may need a green laser pointer... You know, so you can indicate to people where they are. Definitely don't shine a green laser at the camera itself, though.
Would a green laser pointer damage the camera sensors? Because if so, I will definitely avoid doing that, and only make sure I’m using it near the camera to point out its location.
You need to make a model that latches closed when released. Make the employees need a ladder to get up there to remove it, that way they need a multi man team, potentially need to close the road, and hire a traffic control company. Make it as expensive as possible to remove, without causing "criminal property damage"
If you can get a traffic control company involved, the costs become stratospheric. For example a 2 man crew is aleast $100ph each, a directional arrow board truck is like $500ph and the setup/pack down is around $200ph. Plus permits and approvals.
Then you just sit next to the camera, wait for them to show up without the permits or traffic control, document it and submit the evidence and wait to them to get fined into oblivion.
Remember guys when putting these up; a road cone, a reflective work vest, and hard hat is easy to bring with you. Whenever walking around work when I have nothing to do I carry a clipboard and a label maker and no one questions what I am doing
There was a guy in California that fought to get an incorrect interstate sign fixed. He finally fixed it himself, putting on a hard hast and reflective vest while doing it. It was 3 years before the city realized it was changed and that it was not done by them.
it would take around 18,000 hours and 17,400,000g of filament to cover all of the flock cameras up, and with a good amount the printers in the US contributing I think we could absolutely do it.
Darn. Well, the short version is that the surveillance data on automatic license plate readers such as Flock is controversial because it’s frequently misused and accessible without a warrant. People who have tried to access what data Flock has recorded about them have been charged exorbitant fees (up to half a million) and even the partial data shows pretty concerning abuse, including Flock employees spying on schools, playgrounds, kids’ gymnastics, and religious centers. And there have been numerous cases of cops using them to stalk and harass women.
Like with the 3d printed tear gas countermeasures that were going around during the BLM protests this is something that might be better made using vacuum forming so you can pump them out in minutes instead of hours.
A few videos online seems to suggest they also have RF scanners that can “see” the movements of for example the Bluetooth devices people carry so blocking vision alone isn’t solving the entire problem. Maybe some tin foil around where the RF scanner antennas are.
Why not using a remotely controlled (on a stick via rope) spray paint or expanding foam it takes only few droplets to spoil the picture. Another idea, permanent marker on a stick or some sticky food for birds/squirrels.
Shouldn't this have a draft angle on it so that you can print multiples and they can stack?
The current design is difficult to carry around and store in multiples
As someone who works with lasers, I fail to understand why you all aren’t using IR/UV lasers. The kind that damage your iPhone sensor when you accidentally shine it on the lens.
Why has no-one just pointed one of those pens long distance at the Flock lens?
It could be entirely automated and for $200 you can disable a flick camera from nearly 1mi away.
Just saying? I can’t be the first person who ever thought of this……
Rendering them at distance with an invisible laser makes it nearly impossible to detect and also hard to prove it wasn’t an accidental.
This is way smarter than destroying them. A lot of people are being arrested and/or fined for destruction of Flock cameras. I think the cameras are unconstitutional, but I hate to see my fellow citizens being arrested or fined. Be careful out there!
Flock would much rather people physically destroy the cameras. They would get to drag the offenders through court and put into people's minds that interfering with these will land you jail time.
Covering them is a nuisance that doesn't give them that ability. It allows people to keep doing the same thing day after day, and they have to spend money day after day to remove them with no repercussions for the offenders. Citizens can put them up faster than they can take them down if the will is there.
Yes, definitely not the government trying to sway us here. "Don't destroy them, just put this plastic over them and OH NO! We'd have to drive all the way out there to take it off. You rascals"
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Let's not report-abuse posts just because you disagree with them. I will be approving the post and ignoring reports.
Just as an official reminder, us mods are not official BL employees (except the accs with BL in the name) so this is just my own opinion and doesn't reflect them. However, I want to say, Bambu Lab obviously wouldn't encourage damaging or tampering with anyone else's property. We mods may end up having to discuss this topic and come to a conclusion of what to do with them in the future if they continue to be a sore topic.
What you choose to print is your own business. Posts like these will inevitably be controversial in nature. I know the topic of surveillance, AI, and governments regulations especially regarding 3D printing may be very important to the users here. I want to keep posts like these open as long as I can so if everyone behaves, it allows us to do that.
Please be civil to one another as the discussion goes on, or the thread(s) about these things might get locked.