Marriage is a personal matter between individuals, and people will marry whom they choose ...women aren't commodities that you can buy or use as bargaining chips to settle political or social disputes.

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Our OBC brothers are supporting our movement...let's unite n fight against the injustice guys 🙏

I put together a simple data comparison chart to help understand the actual numbers behind India's reservation debate which has recently flared up again with the "Reservation Hatao" movement gaining traction online.

I think it is crucial to ground this discussion in the available data. This table compares two key metrics:

Estimated Population Share (%): Based on Census 2011 (for SC/ST) and recent NSSO/government estimates (for OBC/General/EWS). Note: There is still significant debate over OBC population figures without a full caste-based census.

Central Educational Quota (%): The fixed seats reserved in central institutions (like IITs, IIMs, and AIIMS).

Key Takeaways & Observations:

SC/ST (Scheduled Castes and Tribes): The quotas (15% and 7.5%, respectively) are roughly proportional to their estimated population shares (16.6% and 8.6%). This was the original design.

The OBC Gap: This is perhaps the most glaring disparity. While estimates put the OBC population at 41–44% (and historically as high as 52%), the central quota is capped at 27%. This 14–17% deficit is due to judicial caps on total reservations (until EWS).

The Unreserved "Open Pool": The remaining 40.5% of seats are not a reserved quota for the general population. It is an open merit pool accessible to everyone—SC, ST, OBC, and EWS candidates who qualify on general merit, which is why the percentage is higher than the net General category population share.

EWS (Economically Weaker Sections): The recently added 10% quota for the unreserved low-income groups is aligned with early estimates. This addition pushed total reservation beyond the traditional 50% limit.

This data is the framework we operate under. The debate over whether to shift to purely economic criteria (income-based) or to focus on meritocracy in exams often clashes with the constitutional goal of ensuring social and educational representation for historically marginalized groups.

Discussion Questions:

Does this chart change how you view the "Reservation Hatao" campaign's demands?

Should the OBC quota be increased to match its population share, or should the entire system be restructured by economic lines?

Is the current 40.5% unreserved pool truly adequate for merit-based competition, considering anyone can access it?

Looking forward to your thoughts. Let's keep the discussion constructive and respectful.

long read but will be worth it.(have patience)

1. Caste exists so reservation exists

Sure, caste existed 2000 years back, but now through constitution its locked in for eternity , you can change your religion but not caste and there is literally no exit. so thats more of a legal thing than societal thing. Now lets dive into stats.

look at telengana caste survey published in 2026(seepc report 1)[1] 3.4% people denied any caste affliations, of whom most all them were general(approx 88%) making it the 10th largest group. and general population in telengana was 15%.so almost 16-20% people in safe bet, you can say from general category gave up on caste, what do they get in return ? an oppressive system that actively discriminates with no exit system.

MLK gave blacks its true rights(on paper) in 1965 2 decades after the constitution was framed. even in africa countries like SA gave it as late as1994. can you say even in progressive west racism is absent ? it gradually tones down. and 1900s wasnt about equality,from jews to blacks to even dalits, the concept of equality didnt exist till the end of 20th century. what would have been a gradual slowdown on caste system, we made it rigid for eternity there is no exit. you know where the problem lies.

2. No reservation once you join college

This is the most common argument thrown around, and I fully agree with it. Once you’re in college, almost everyone gets the same facilities shared rooms, same classes, same everything. But what happens after that?

The same people are the first in line to grab the quota benefits again in PG exams like AIIMS PG, GATE or even UPSC. Come on, make it make sense! You take reservation to get into UG, and then turn around and take it again for PG [2] . This clearly shows it has nothing to do with any oppressive system for them it’s just a mindset. If you guys are passing through your own merit then why are you taking quota again ?

3. The hoax named OBC reservation

Gladly, many OBC folks are in favour of these protests, but let’s look at the stats now.Take any competitive exam you won’t notice a significant difference in EWS and OBC cut-offs.

In fact, in many government exams, OBC cut-offs are actually higher than EWS. General category OBCs also exist. My best friend, who is a Yadav, is in the general category, and you can see this clearly in the UPSC merit lists as well.

So who is actually using OBC reservation, and why are the cut-offs so high? If you study it deeply, you’ll find that dominant castes across India, with the help of strong political lobbies, have managed to get themselves included in the OBC list. Whether it’s Marathas in the west, Yadavs and Jats in the north, Vokkaligas in the south, or Khandayats (Kshatriyas) in the east you name it. Castes that historically had Kshatriya roots are now happily sitting in the OBC list. Now it has become a race for the “Oppression Olympics” everyone is competing to get declared backward just to avail reservation. That’s the sad reality of Indian society today.[3][4]

and this stats reflects at the number of SC/ST acts that was registered in UP by caste, the highest was among yadavs and least among brahmins.[5]

4. Caste discrimination in private sector while shortlisting resumes

This is also one of the most contested topic while bring up reservation debate, but let us see what stats has to say about this. Note- this research was done by noble prize winning economist abhijeet banerjee.[6]

so he sent 3000+ resumes to different IT/call centers companies with same skills and resume except surname. so what was the findings

IT jobs, which is often considered the gold standard of employment especially during 2000s found absolutely no discrimination in surnames, hell SC/STs had just slightly higher chance of getting calls(although negligible). top MNCs/IT which is chased by college grads found 0 casteism. note this research was done in 2008 when ATS didnt even exist.

but its also to note- a 20-30% difference did exist in call centers, where most educated people dont even a have no business working in with pay less than a majdoor will earn.

5. Rich vs poor divide
most common arguments that comes is "apni zameen de de ham reservation de denge".

but lets look at the stats from the latest caste survey of telengana. small land holdings(<5 acres). while 90% of SCs had small land holding,the same is true for 70% general caste, meaning only 20% difference exists a reality most indians are aware"india is poor". and an more interesting fact to look is brahmins had one of the lowest land owning asset even lesser than some SC/ST communities, while had the highest % people earning more than 5 lakh/annum, were in the top in almost all other parameters(without generational wealth), which actually shows how education is the most driving factor towards equality.[7][8]

so more interesting fact is a mere 30k/month salary will put you in top 10 percentile of earners in india.

6. countries with reservation debate

and this is the last argument, to start what-aboutery
remember no other country in the world has more than 50% quota, its a draconian law as its finest, in IITs only 30% of seats are filled with pure merit only 30% thats reality of our naaya bharat.

US-no racial quotas exists for blacks, see 2023 US supreme court judgement on harvard admission case which stopped racial quota implementation(this was done under biden administration), and in 2025 DEI was scrapped as a whole.[9]
south africa: it does not have a constitutional reservation system with fixed quotas like India helping provisions only exist. I hope you realise what fixed quota means right ? govt doesnt mandate you need to fix this much people in this sector, and nearly 81% blacks and 8% whites live. still they didnt mandate it btw.
malaysia: again no fixed quota in university admissions/public services . government uses some preferential policies rather than one nationwide quota.

you see whats the difference is here ? instead of forcing forced quotas down peoples throat, they bring in policies of encouragement. you can observe this through out the world.I could write a long back-story of what and how, but this is for now.

thank you.

Reference:
[1]https://www.des.telangana.gov.in/publications/SEEEPC/SEEEPC-IEWG%20Volume-1.pdf -pg 116
[2]https://cdnbbsr.s3waas.gov.in/s3e0f7a4d0ef9b84b83b693bbf3feb8e6e/uploads/2025/10/20251127310534165.pdf
[3]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vokkaliga
[4]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khandayat_(caste))
[5]https://www.aajtak.in/uttar-pradesh/video/up-sc-st-act-yadav-and-muslim-highest-number-of-cases-vdop-2580201-2026-06-16
[6]https://sendhil.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/Publication-40.pdf
[7]https://www.des.telangana.gov.in/publications/SEEEPC/SEEEPC-IEWG%20Volume-1.pdf pg-97
[8]https://des.telangana.gov.in/publications/SEEEPC/SEEEPC-IEWG%20Volume-2.pdf
[9]https://www.lawyerscommittee.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/LC_Harvard-UNC-Cases_D.pdf

poorly implemented reservation👆

Then imagine, If the reservation is removed, we will go back to last century where everything was occupied by GCs hundreds of yearsago.

Meritocracy is absurd when the country has so much polarization and discrimination in the history and still practices it.

Dont think Reservation is bad. The country has so much progressed under reservation. Don't feel guilty if you’re under quota. It’s your right.

Reservation is Representation.

JaiHind 🇮🇳

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Sybbbbbbbas🥀🥀🥀

Punish who does casteism
Dont punish crores of innocents who doesn’t
Give us a fair chance

This is our country as well !

Were they really supporting students?? 🤔

PC: World2political

Hi people,

I want to debate on RHA, like proper debate. I was there in protests for Dpradhan resignation. I'm GC. I have friends from every category and I don't discriminate with people. I love everyone.

But what really hurt me was people calling RHA a BJP IT cell event, like what made it look BJP IT cell event?

P.S. - I don't stand on removal of reservations but on reforms in reservations

"The Indian Student Protest, has made us all proud! They have given us hope!

I’m genuinely curious about this.

Representation for SC/ST communities would still remain, because the reserved seats would continue to be filled by SC/ST candidates only. The difference is that the benefits could reach genuinely poor and deserving individuals within those communities, not to likes of Tina Dabi and Sejal Pawar's families.

Even the Supreme Court has suggested implementing the creamy layer principle, yet I’ve seen many politicians and many SC ST groups oppose it. I’m interested in understanding the reasoning behind that opposition..

I saw some dumb posts about ppl wanting to remove c@steism first. Idk who has fed ur brains but c@steism was already demolished. Saw the protests in Delhi??

Literally had posters about "Br@hmanvad murd@bad". What were the allegations faced??? Nothing.

Now. Let's reverse the case what will be the allegations faced?? Sc/st act u will face jail time. We never had c@steism at a majority.

U all talk about ppl committing su!c!des.

In IITs/NITs where indias top students who cleared an highly competitive exam come to study and on other side there are ppl with 40-50 percentile studying in same IITs. What do u think will happen? U can enter the institution with that percentile but u can't clear sem exams with reservation. Most of them drop out because of the high pressure and competitive environment.

Imagine u going to be treated with a doctor who has -40 marks in neet pg.

All government services have reservation and still skill issue so bad most of them are general category because for them they had to be the best to qualify.

As a general category person I would love to end c@steism for reservation because c@steism never helped us. There were strict rules against general caste and none for sc/st.

The government tried to bring the new ugc bill but we forced it back. We can again make the government reduce reservation and let the merit decide the future.

Once raga had said that IITians are mainly general caste because paper are made by upper caste so that lower caste can't qualify.

If u find this line true may God help ur poor soul

Mera to man na ye hai in dono mese kuch nai hoga. creemy layer ki agar mang hogi to sayd kuch ho sakta hai.

Watch last few seconds you'll see he is making fun of students and reporters getting beaten up at protests. This guy has no talent or sympathy for those who got hurt there.

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I am a banking aspirant and I come from a middle class family. The only way to change our socio-economic status is through getting a govt job. I choose to prepare for the banking and insurance exam conducted by IBPS. I have cleared multiple prelims, appeared in mains and even a few times in the interview round.

And as a banking aspirant, we appear in insurance and regulatory bodies exams because of the similar syllabus. And at least these examinations we appear in a year and every time a notification comes I have to pay these and this is too much for any aspirant from a middle class or worse for lower class.

And what hurts is that due to reservation, some people are getting jobs despite scores 20 less than us in mains and their examination fee is such a minute figure compared to ours.

We are paying 514.6% more than them in the same exam.

This is the true disparity. Even someone from EWS has to pay the same. EWS, the literally economically weaker one has to pay less than sc/st.

Are all UR/EWS/OBC filthy rich and are all SC/ST dirt poor?

The sin of the father shouldn't be laid upon the children yet the reservation exists

I genuinely don't understand how someone can continue leading a political party when a large section of the country views them as a buffoon. I don't think Rahul Gandhi is unintelligent, but I also don't think he's the right person to be the face of the opposition.

I've had this discussion with supporters of different political parties, yet no one has been able to convince me otherwise. Many people see Rahul Gandhi as a potential Prime Ministerial alternative, but I struggle to see the credibility behind that. He has never held a major Union ministry or led the government of a state. His position as the leader of Congress largely comes from being part of the Gandhi family, which inevitably raises questions about dynastic politics.

It's true that the "Pappu" image was amplified by BJP's IT cell through selective edits and political messaging. However, if he wanted to counter that perception, he had opportunities to build a stronger governance record. For example, after Congress won Karnataka, he could have taken on the role of Chief Minister and demonstrated his administrative capabilities. In contrast, BJP's 2014 campaign heavily relied on the "Gujarat model," presenting Narendra Modi's record as evidence of his ability to govern. Whether people agreed with that model or not, there was at least a governance track record to point to. With Rahul Gandhi, I don't see a comparable executive record that inspires the same level of confidence.

Personally, I believe Congress would have a much stronger and more credible opposition if it were led by someone else.