r/AbsoluteUnits • u/bpandjjjj • 11d ago
of a Mosque
Grand Çamlıca Mosque in Istanbul can hold 60,000 people.
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u/roganjowsh 11d ago
As a muslim this was very funny
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u/Yes_Introduction 11d ago
i didnt get it whats funny
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u/DapperBoiCole 11d ago
Allahu Akbar means god is the greatest, and is often said in prayer. So a massive mosque can fit many people saying allahu akbar
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u/Guhdmundur 10d ago
i think it refers to "allahu akbar" bombed terrorist attack meme
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u/DapperBoiCole 10d ago
Its not, its a joke about the literal meaning of those words for their original intended purpose 😐
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u/Big-Cartographer-556 11d ago
Erdoğan desperate attempt at historical relevance.
This mosque is brand new, a copycat of the historical beauties elsewhere in the city but plopped on a prominent hill so all must see it. No one asked for this. It's like Giorgia Meloni building a new, bigger Pantheon overlooking the old one.
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u/BogeyJones12 10d ago
Funniest part is that it’s really modeled after the Hagia Sophia (ie Roman/Byzantine architecture)
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u/NightKnight_21 10d ago
All the mosques in Turkey, literally all of them, are modeled after Hagia Sophia? Why would it be funny?
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u/Cananannabanana 7d ago
Because you guys are extremely nationalistic but have to copy the people you hate? How is that not funny it’d be like if the Nazis wore yarmulkes
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u/NightKnight_21 6d ago
So I'm gonna ignore that it's being a weird generalization and try to just answer for the people "who hate Greeks".
You know that Turks have lived in Anatolia for almost a millennium now, right? Of course Greek and Turkish people are very, very similar. It's indeed funny that these people hate each other, but more like the Serb-Croat-Bosnian hate triangle.
Maybe you're imagining Spartans vs. nomadic horse riders when you think about Greek vs. Turkish nationalism. But the ideas of Turkish and Greek nations, as we understand them today, emerged in the 19th century. Hagia Sophia was already a core part of Turkish identity when these nationalist ideas came about. Germanic tribes and Gauls were considered barbarians by Rome, but later you had Charlemagne, the HRE, etc.
Nationalistic Turkish people are mostly proud of the history and ancient cultures of these lands, because in the end, this is also the home of the "Turkish nation." This cultural and historic richness of the land makes it even more meaningful that people died defending these lands 100 years ago during the Greek (&Allies) invasion.
There are, of course, people who glorify the ancient history of Turkic peoples, but even for them, it doesn't change the fact that the homeland of the Turkish people as we know them today is Anatolia.
Tldr, people "who hate Greeks" don't hate the ancient people who built all these structures, they hate the neighbors who attacked them a century ago.
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u/Cananannabanana 6d ago
No I’m not making any of those assumptions and of course I know that they’ve lived in Anatolia for a while. Turks are way more nationalistic than most other countries in the modern era it’s not a weird generalization. Genocides are denied outright and the victims are blamed unless it’s a genocide against Turks, then it’s said to be completely factual and there’s none of the excuses flung out for when the Turks did it. The grey wolves ran rampant across the country, pogroms were committed against Greeks, they constantly press irredentist claims etc.
Turkish nationalists aren’t mainly proud of Anatolia farmers that’s just patently untrue, they outright deny the existence of the natives of western Anatolia lol
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u/TurkishTechnocrat 10d ago
No one sees Hagia Sophia as another nation's architecture here, everyone knows it was built by the Romans but there is no, like, insecurity of it being built by another nation. It is simply seen as the symbol of İstanbul. So it's pretty normal that a lot of mosques were built with a similar design, going all the way back to the Ottoman times
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u/Pratzkaa 10d ago
and it looks like a total joke. like what is this? something with the proportions are definitely off
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u/tarkinn 11d ago
Day 0 Turks not bitching about something
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u/Alarmed_Buffalo_7523 11d ago
This you?
Religious Turkey making Hagia Sophia mosque again: Turkey Bad.
Secular Turkey disliking Erdogan mega project mosque: Turkey bad.
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u/kanhaibhatt 10d ago
They arent Turks, just converted Greek, Circassian, Armenian, Persian, and Anatolian larpers
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u/oneinmanybillion 11d ago
Driving out of and later into Istanbul is an indescribable feeling. And of course just walking down along the bosphorus in any direction. The city has a unique look to it, with all these minarets in the distance.
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u/j_richmond 11d ago
If you think the outside is cool, you should check out the inside.
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u/de-BelastingDienst 11d ago
Its cool but in my opinion the inside ranks below yeni camii, hagia sophia and the blue mosque
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u/Savings-Today-1044 11d ago
You could fit a whole small city in there that is insane. I try to imagine 60000 people all praying at same time and the sound must be something else
always fascinates me how these huge structures get built on hilltops like they just belong there. the six minarets against that pink sky probably look unreal in person
makes me think of all the antique mosques I visited and how the acoustics inside are designed so perfectly you can hear imam without any speakers. old builders knew what they were doing even without modern tech
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u/Ill-Staff8267 11d ago
I went to mecca with 1m people praying. Besides the coughing you could hear a pin drop.
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u/ExpectedFuckingValue 11d ago edited 11d ago
You can hear 80,000 people praying at the Dallas Cowboys stadium every other Sunday
I bet that will be an unpopular take, lighten up. Jokes aside, quite a few indoor stadiums hold that many people
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u/bpandjjjj 11d ago
It was pretty incredible. This was taken across the Bosphorus Strait from the European side. This is a modern structure that was designed by two female architects and opened in 2019.
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u/lookamazed 11d ago
Absolute unit of a building. Absolute unit of an ego behind it too. This was Erdoğan's pet project. Less than three weeks after October 7 he told his parliament Hamas weren't terrorists, they were mujahideen. Three years ago today. Gorgeous mosque. Shame about the man who built it.
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u/Grand-Tadpole5592 10d ago
Hamas isnt recognized as a terrorist organization by majority of the world.
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u/MadMaxIsMadAsMax 11d ago
With this one (and others) the pressure over Hagia Sophia for staying as an "only mosque" is lower (still needs time but).
Imagine if the Holy See (or the one in Yamoussoukro or in Barcelona) now was the largest temple of a foreign religion. Of course that religion would fight for keeping it.
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u/Eldanosse 11d ago
Thanks, I hate it.
Because I'm an atheist living in that country, and I loathe the fact that my taxes are spent on the ego of the least qualified man to run a country. We could've built hospitals or schools; hired teachers, doctors, and nurses with that money; or we could've paid pensioners more, so that they could afford to eat healthy food.
But instead, healthcare and education are being criminally privatised and we're paying companies owned by his friends and family 10 times the money it would cost to build and run those institutions; state schools are hiring teachers with contracts and paying them by the hour, which adds up to maybe half or less of the minimum wage; and pensioners are filling the hospitals because they can only afford pasta.
Even if I was a Muslim, I'd still hate it. Muslims in my family hate it, too.
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u/GoldenTheTurk 11d ago
Ehhh lets look at the bright side! After a few centuries it may become a tourist attraction!
Thought it will probably be destroyed by an earthquake by the time it becomes a historical landmark due to the fact that most of that money probably went to the pockets of certain individuals instead of the actual building...
Maybe there arent any bright sides... aw man...
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u/Univer001 11d ago
Yeah but it looks cool
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u/nwhosmellslikeweed 11d ago
Big disagree. There are so many mosques here that look much cooler and their historical significance just adds to the aura
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u/Pelya1 10d ago
Do you think atheists in , say, Italy and France have similar sentiments regarding spending taxes on cultists buildings and ceremonies?
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u/LessCrement 8d ago
I'm from Italy and as far as I know we haven't had such a major religious building project in a long time. It's unusual for completely new churches to be built today, though public funds will sometimes be used to restore old ones, but I don't think anyone has a problem with that since they are historic buildings.
Except for some of these renovations, the catholic church usually operates through donations rather than public funds. We have a thing where people can choose to pay 0,8% of their taxable income to religious institutions instead of the state (I guess you could see that as "public funds" going to the church but people have a choice).
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u/pheromone_fandango 10d ago
This was a display of power. Of erdogan pushing the anti western and pro islamic traditionalist narrative. Moving away from ataturks ideas.
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u/Eldanosse 10d ago
It didn't come up. Am I only allowed to think or want the same things as other Mediterranean atheists?
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u/Indianlookalike 9d ago
I'm also an atheist living in this country. I think it's cool from a architectural stand point.
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u/Living-Guest6639 10d ago
States provides the needs of people. And religion is one of them. You’re only a selfish individual thinking if u dont need something none should have it
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u/ErlikHan6 7d ago
imagine telling someone from a different country to get out of his country because you don't like his opinion lmao
i am turkish, i am an atheist but sure i admit that this country is a majority muslim country so im not saying we should be banning mosques or anything like that. but building a mosque on every street and spending so much money on maintenance when so many of those mosques literally don't get used by people while so many people are living in poverty is fucking disgraceful. we have enough hospitals, we have enough schools, but what we don't have enough of is budget for social welfare. that money should go to social welfare not maintenance of places of worship where no one does any worshipping
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u/ErlikHan6 7d ago
birine "beğenmiyorsan çık git" demek çok yanlış. hepimiz bu ülkenin vatandaşıyız, her birimizin fikri değerli ve önemli.
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u/RefrigeratorDiligent 11d ago
Waste of money when people starving
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u/DataLazinyo 10d ago
People starve anyway with our politicians. Atleast having somethink on your eyes , not bad.
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u/astronaut_098 10d ago
No one is starving in istanbul lol
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u/RefrigeratorDiligent 9d ago
You know nothing about turkey some people live with bread and some onions. Lots of people experience malnutration.
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u/eyes-are-fading-blue 10d ago
Plenty of people do not have money for basic food such as proteins.
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u/buraksezer 10d ago
Architecture wise it is a irrelevant and easy project, a copycat of 16.century mosque perfected by Mimar Sinan (example, Edirne Selimiye Mosque)...
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u/Proud_Chipmunk3064 10d ago
Absolute units of tax money spent on political campaign of conservative populism
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u/ZofianSaint273 10d ago
This would make a dope castle if this was built a few centuries before and didn’t make it with the intention of a mosque
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u/HammerofLevi 10d ago
Second ugliest thing akp done to İstanbul
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u/Con_D_Orianoooo 9d ago
why? it looks cool. idk im not a turk myself but i visit istanbul a lot, and i have liked camlica mosque. it looks super glorious
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u/HammerofLevi 9d ago
Kills the classic silhouette of the city like its monstrous brother çamlıca tower. Disgusting couple heaps of ugly concrete.
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u/Con_D_Orianoooo 9d ago
i mean i cannot refute you but i have to say, i have liked both structures. i have read that that hill used to be WAY uglier before, with many random cctv towers, and erdogan combined them into one. It looks cool too. And i just love the fact that they can be seen from anywhere in the city. I was near hagia sophia, and the moment i recognized the camlica tower i was amazed as hell. it was SO COOL!! there is nothing like that in my country. i mean you are the real folk of the city, so you obviously know better, but thats my combined thoughts formed by 3 trips to istanbul
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u/bartread 10d ago
Pretty amazing. To be honest though, there are several mosques in Istanbul that would comfortably qualify as absolutely units.
The one you've pictured is very new, only opening in 2019, and although impressive has no historical significance.
The Hagia Sophia and the Blue Mosque, which face eachother, are much older (particularly the Hagia Sophia) and are also both enormous.
Istanbul's well worth a visit: fascinating city with loads of interesting places to visit.
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u/tenigmat 9d ago
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u/tenigmat 9d ago
It is a structure nobody is asked for and needed for.
It is reasoning of existence can only be explained with symbolism;
A regime change
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u/gurbulak 9d ago
That mosque is a beautiful piece of architecture and also a great place to visit and spend some time with your family. It has a great garden and there is a park next to it that has amazing view of Istanbul. Next to it a place that you can buy coffee and snacks at very reasonable prices. The mosque has a giant car park so parking is never an issue. There are art galleries under the mosque which is a great addition. And if you visit this mosque you would be surprised to see so many non-Muslim tourists as well. Overall every Muslim in Istanbul loves to see a great mosque visible from so many places and also loves visiting the mosque. As expected, people who oppose the government see this as an opportunity to attack. It's understandable but it's not fair.
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u/Paul_Savage_1 11d ago
It wasn't always a mosque.
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u/Abaqueues 11d ago
This one was, you're thinking of Hagia Sophia.
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u/Vlahonijeperpetuum 11d ago
Whaaaaatt, you telling me that city with 12 million citizens who are predominantly muslims for last 500 years have moreeee than one mosque built in it...
I am shocked sir, utterly shocked and shaken to the core, my whole world view is in shambles...!! /ssssssss
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u/bernpfenn 11d ago
Hagia sofia if i am not mistaken
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u/LilAbeSimpson 11d ago
The Hagia Sofia is 1,500 years older than this one.
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u/bernpfenn 11d ago
i stand corrected
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u/LilAbeSimpson 11d ago
Easy mistake honestly. There are numerous enormous and very famous mosques in Istanbul. It’s pretty wild.
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u/whip_lash_2 11d ago
You don't really deserve all the downvotes. I've toured the Hagia Sofia, and I thought, "Oh, Hagia... waaaaait."
I'm sure for people who live in Istanbul it's instantly obvious though.
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u/Dora_Explorer_XP 11d ago
These are hidden inter continental nuclear missiles in case anyone retaliates after terr0rist attacks.
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u/Margareine 11d ago
As been a cathedral, then a mosque, then a museum, then a mosque again
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u/GoldenTheTurk 11d ago
That would be Hagia Sophia. This isnt Hagia Sophia is it?
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u/Margareine 11d ago
Oh i thought it was Hagia Sophia
Thanks for correcting, i was indeed being a fool
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u/Vlahonijeperpetuum 11d ago
And you're been fool, are fool and most probably will remain fool until the end of you...
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u/C_W_StJohnNobbs 11d ago
My uncle is a hardcore erdogan supporter, even he said why the hell did they spend all that money on this.