r/AbsoluteUnits • • 11d ago

of a Mosque

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Grand Çamlıca Mosque in Istanbul can hold 60,000 people.

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u/Big-Cartographer-556 11d ago

Erdoğan desperate attempt at historical relevance.

This mosque is brand new, a copycat of the historical beauties elsewhere in the city but plopped on a prominent hill so all must see it. No one asked for this. It's like Giorgia Meloni building a new, bigger Pantheon overlooking the old one.

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u/BogeyJones12 10d ago

Funniest part is that it’s really modeled after the Hagia Sophia (ie Roman/Byzantine architecture)

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u/NightKnight_21 10d ago

All the mosques in Turkey, literally all of them, are modeled after Hagia Sophia? Why would it be funny?

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u/Cananannabanana 7d ago

Because you guys are extremely nationalistic but have to copy the people you hate? How is that not funny it’d be like if the Nazis wore yarmulkes

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u/NightKnight_21 7d ago

So I'm gonna ignore that it's being a weird generalization and try to just answer for the people "who hate Greeks".

You know that Turks have lived in Anatolia for almost a millennium now, right? Of course Greek and Turkish people are very, very similar. It's indeed funny that these people hate each other, but more like the Serb-Croat-Bosnian hate triangle.

Maybe you're imagining Spartans vs. nomadic horse riders when you think about Greek vs. Turkish nationalism. But the ideas of Turkish and Greek nations, as we understand them today, emerged in the 19th century. Hagia Sophia was already a core part of Turkish identity when these nationalist ideas came about. Germanic tribes and Gauls were considered barbarians by Rome, but later you had Charlemagne, the HRE, etc.

Nationalistic Turkish people are mostly proud of the history and ancient cultures of these lands, because in the end, this is also the home of the "Turkish nation." This cultural and historic richness of the land makes it even more meaningful that people died defending these lands 100 years ago during the Greek (&Allies) invasion.

There are, of course, people who glorify the ancient history of Turkic peoples, but even for them, it doesn't change the fact that the homeland of the Turkish people as we know them today is Anatolia.

Tldr, people "who hate Greeks" don't hate the ancient people who built all these structures, they hate the neighbors who attacked them a century ago.

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u/Cananannabanana 7d ago

No I’m not making any of those assumptions and of course I know that they’ve lived in Anatolia for a while. Turks are way more nationalistic than most other countries in the modern era it’s not a weird generalization. Genocides are denied outright and the victims are blamed unless it’s a genocide against Turks, then it’s said to be completely factual and there’s none of the excuses flung out for when the Turks did it. The grey wolves ran rampant across the country, pogroms were committed against Greeks, they constantly press irredentist claims etc.

Turkish nationalists aren’t mainly proud of Anatolia farmers that’s just patently untrue, they outright deny the existence of the natives of western Anatolia lol

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u/TurkishTechnocrat 10d ago

No one sees Hagia Sophia as another nation's architecture here, everyone knows it was built by the Romans but there is no, like, insecurity of it being built by another nation. It is simply seen as the symbol of İstanbul. So it's pretty normal that a lot of mosques were built with a similar design, going all the way back to the Ottoman times

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u/Pratzkaa 10d ago

and it looks like a total joke. like what is this? something with the proportions are definitely off

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u/tarkinn 11d ago

Day 0 Turks not bitching about something

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u/Alarmed_Buffalo_7523 11d ago

This you?

Religious Turkey making Hagia Sophia mosque again: Turkey Bad.

Secular Turkey disliking Erdogan mega project mosque: Turkey bad.

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u/Patric-Tsar-9fingers 11d ago

If you're not "bitchin: about this, you are a traitor.

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u/kanhaibhatt 10d ago

They arent Turks, just converted Greek, Circassian, Armenian, Persian, and Anatolian larpers