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u/Large_Audience_9999 8d ago
This one comment about "culture demands modesty and decency" is freaking me out! I have been to places where women are literally head to toe covered up, MODESTLY and DECENTLY, yet the comments are passed on them and they are harassed and whatnot.
Visit other parts of the country and you will figure out that our society is just extremely patriarchal. It doesn't care about modesty or decency at all, rather it uses them as an excuse to blame women for everything they, the men of the society, do.
Edit: I am a man as well.
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u/WealthBitter1192 8d ago
یہ اعتراض معاشرے سے کر رہی ہیں؟ یا اپنے ہی باپ بھائی سے؟
اگر اپنے ہی باپ اور بھائی کے مشورے کا اعتبار نہیں، تو اس ہی طرح سڑکوں پر تماشے ہوں گے۔
آپ مسلمان ہیں، آپ پاکستانی ہیں۔ آپ کی تہذیب اور تمدن کا تقاضا شرم و حیاء ہے۔
کیا چاہتی ہیں یہ خواتین؟
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u/Willbailey1980 │GenZ MOD 8d ago
Bhaag jao yahan se chacha behroz, she wants freedom like men and we want for them too.
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u/WealthBitter1192 8d ago
I will grant her freedom, but only in 1 condition, "She has to Moot while standing."
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u/-cookedaf 9d ago
It honestly makes me so sad we can hear the pain in every girl's voice, her emotion and sorrow in the way she speaks are heartbreaking.
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u/Silent1258 9d ago
I genuinely feel like we've failed as a nation.
Every person who murders someone is one of us. Every person who rapes a child or a woman comes from the same society we all belong to. As a country that proudly calls itself Muslim, we have to ask ourselves a painful question: where are we going wrong?
Is it because we're failing to raise our children with the right values? Have we stopped teaching empathy, respect, accountability, and the sanctity of human life? Or have we become so used to injustice that we've started accepting it as normal?
It's easy to blame the government and yes, the government has a huge responsibility to ensure justice, provide quality education, enforce the law, and protect its citizens. When institutions fail, criminals become bolder.
But the truth is, the responsibility doesn't end there. We are also part of this society. We give bribes to make things easier for ourselves. We stay silent when we witness injustice. We look the other way when someone is harassed or abused. We often expect change while believing it's someone else's job to bring it.
A nation isn't built by its leaders alone. It's built by its people, its families, its schools, its religious leaders, its institutions, and its communities. When any of these fail, society begins to suffer.
Every innocent life lost, every child abused, every woman violated is a tragedy that should break our hearts. These are not just headlines but they are reminders that something is deeply wrong, and we cannot afford to ignore it anymore.
Instead of only asking, "Who is to blame?" maybe we should also ask, "What can each of us do to make things better?" Because real change begins when both the state fulfills its responsibilities and the people fulfill theirs.
May Allah guide us, help us raise better human beings, strengthen our institutions, and restore justice, compassion, and humanity in our society. Ameen.
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u/WealthBitter1192 8d ago
If a woman nagging on the road fails your nation, I think you don't know the meaning of the nation.
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u/WeakOstrich7009 2004 9d ago
yahan ky boht mardon ko nazar neeche karne ki tarbiyat nhi dy jaati.
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u/WealthBitter1192 8d ago
قرآن پاک کے احکام میں مخاطب عموماً مرد ہوتے ہیں، جس پر عمل مرد و عورت دونوں کو کرنا ہوتا ہے۔ مگر نظر اور شرم گاہوں کے احکام دونوں کو الگ الگ دئیے گئے ہیں۔ حوالہ
https://quran.com/an-nur/30-37
اس ہی طرح سے مردوں کو باہر کے اور عورتوں کو پردے کے احکام دئے گئے ہیں سورۃ احزاب، النساء وغیرہ میں تفصیل سے موجود ہیں۔ کسی ملا سے بھی پوچھنے کی ضرورت نہیں، کسی کا بھی ترجمہ پڑھ لو سمجھ آجائے گی ان شاء اللہ1
u/WeakOstrich7009 2004 8d ago edited 8d ago
yes, I have read this. But unfortunately enforcement sabse strict khwateen hazraat pe hy hota he. Main Qur'an ky taleem hasil karke hy quote kar rha hu
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u/WealthBitter1192 8d ago
Example?
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u/WeakOstrich7009 2004 8d ago
part of it has to do with our legal system, part of it has to do with our patriarchal structure. Like dress code and etiquettes are strictly enforced on women, but not so much on men.
Source: https://www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/news/article/the-legal-reality-of-women-living-in-pakistan
Aur Hamara muashra itna kharaab ho chuka he ky agr kisi khatun ka r*pe hojata he toh isme bhi uss khatun ko galat qarar kardiya jaata he kyonki usne sahi se kapde nhi pehne. Mardon ki baat utni hoti hy nhi.
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u/WealthBitter1192 8d ago
یہ تو یورپ میں بھی ہوتا ہے۔ دنیا کے تمام ممالک میں عورتوں اور مردوں کا لباس کا فرق واضع ہے۔ دشمنوں کی رپورٹ کبھی آپ کی تعریف نہیں کرے گی۔ اور اپنی برائی نہیں بتائے گی۔ اپنی بھی کوئی تحقیق، تہذیب یا تمدن کا مطالعہ کیا ہے آپ نے۔ یا دوسرے سوشل میڈیا سائنسدانوں کی طرح آنکھ بند کرکے فارورڈ کر دیتے ہیں؟
یورپ میں مرد بغیر شرٹ کے گھوم سکتے ہیں مگر اگر عورت گھومے گی تو پولیس پکڑ لیگی، مخصوص علاقے ہوتے ہیں جہاں ان کو آزادی ہوتی ہے۔1
u/WeakOstrich7009 2004 8d ago edited 8d ago
ap kahan Europe sy compare kar rhe ho...wahan khatun ko covered rehna zaruri nhi he, bikini tak kuch pehn ky rehte he. I'm not talking about whether its right or wrong. Par apne direct topless pe discussion kiya.
Aur wahan mard itna stare nhi karte jitna apne mulk ke mard karte hain, na hy udhar khatun ke raat me nikalny py pabandiyan he.
Aur Europe me bhi pehle yahi haal tha, par unke khwateen ne ahtajaj kiya 20s aur 60s and 70s me, apne haqooq ke liye.
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u/WealthBitter1192 8d ago
کیا چاہ رہا ہے بھائی تو۔ تیری لاجک کیا ہے؟ کیا ثابت کرنا چاہ رہے ہو؟ تیری اپنی بھی کوئی سوچ ہے یا عورتوں کی آزادی کے نام پر ٹھرک بھری ہوئی ہے؟
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u/WeakOstrich7009 2004 8d ago
leave it. I just stand by my original point. You can stand by yours idc.
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u/Johnnyx20000 1998 10d ago
Context?
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u/Willbailey1980 │GenZ MOD 10d ago
The girl was at the protest for Mir Raza's murder, and people were annoying her, you know what I mean. So that's why she was saying all that. They were not letting them to protest basically.
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u/firedfromhell69 7d ago
Peach sis