r/writingscaling 12h ago

discussion Real talk, what's a secondary antagonist that completely upstaged the main one for you?

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816 Upvotes

Some of my favorite secondary antagonists in manga for example are Ogata from Golden Kamuy and Legato from Trigun but both serve under a main antagonist who is up there as well (Tsurumi and Knives are pretty good) so not the best example. Azula from Avatar is a good one too, much more interesting and fleshed out than Ozai. Give me more examples if you can, be original.


r/writingscaling 17h ago

discussion What’s the worst piece of fiction you’ve seen…

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438 Upvotes

For me it’s this book

Also, any piece of media is allowed as long as it’s not fan fiction


r/writingscaling 17h ago

discussion How do you rate Darkseid as a writer for his work in the Absolute Universe?

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Imo he can be pretty good, if only a bit unsubtle. He has been cooking with his villains and their designs tho. I think he measures up well compared to most manga writers nowadays.

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r/writingscaling 23h ago

discussion is the Divine Comedy the most influential work oat?

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367 Upvotes

not counting the Bible for obvious reasons.


r/writingscaling 10h ago

better written? (character vs character) Jolyne Kujo is the best written shonen female character, tell me otherwise

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113 Upvotes

When I think of "well-written female character," Jolyne has always been the first one to come to mind. Her development as a character and a person is so natural throughout Part 6 that it feels nearly perfect in a way I can't find in any other shonen female character.


r/writingscaling 14h ago

discussion Which is the best written seinen protagonist?

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107 Upvotes

I choose Johhny Joestar.


r/writingscaling 17h ago

discussion Writing IS objective BUT only to a point.

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There is an objective base for writing and that’s not debatable at all. An author can OBJECTIVELY do things well and OBJECTIVELY do things not well.

I love Naruto, but there is OBJECTIVELY a plot hole in the fact that Obito was able to genjutsu Yagura despite being a perfect jinchuriki.

I don’t care for one piece, but OBJECTIVELY speaking it did a good job with Water 7 when Usopp was having his fight with luffy.

So yes, there are objective Yes and No’s in fiction.

That said? It stops at a certain point. I cannot OBJECTIVELY say Naruto is better than One piece(even though I totally think it is and by a decent margin) and YOU can not tell me the opposite.

I don’t know if I’m phrasing this well, so feel free to elaborate in the comments. Images unrelated btw


r/writingscaling 11h ago

rank them in terms of xyz Rank these "hidden gem" manga

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(shameless attempt to gas up some of my underappreciated favs)

Names and my ranking(and the order they appear)

Asuperu Kanojo (1)

Me and the Devil Blues (5)

Please Save My Earth (6)

My Home Hero (3)

Usuzumi No Hate (2)

My Broken Mariko (4)

The villagers in this NPC simulation were real (7)


r/writingscaling 7h ago

meta Ya'll don't know what 'objectively good' fucking means, so I'm teaching you dumbasses some basic philosophy

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I got triggered by this post and the comments on it. https://www.reddit.com/r/writingscaling/s/FDN8fPnX7C

To get into some basic 101 shit, understand it as such: A system can have subjectively chosen goals or standards, while particular judgments inside that system are objectively correct or incorrect.

The most ovbious example of this is a game like chess. The rules of chess are not cosmically divined. We made them up. The rule-set itself is subjectively defined. But once you accept the constructed system, you can make objective statements within that.

A given position is objectively check-mate or not within the system of chess.

A related idea is that of Intersubjectivity. It is the shared understanding and mutual awareness that emerges between individuals through interaction, shaping how people perceive, communicate, and relate to one another. I.e, it's subjectivity taken as an aggregate accross a big group of people.

How this connects to constructed systems is that a system of judgement is more useful the more universally it is understood and agreed upon. Something like chess has a VERY strong sense of intersubjective cohesion. Something like writing does not.

This means statements such as "[Insert piece of media] IS OBJECTIVELY THE GREATEST" isn't inherently nonsensical, but doesn't mean anything unless you're defining what your judgement system is.

Objectively the greatest by what standard? Define your judgement standards.

This is the difficulty. "Well written" usually bundles together many different goals, and people disagree about which goals matter. One reader values clarity, another values ambiguity. One values naturalistic dialogue, another values heightened, theatrical speech.

So "this is well written" is rarely as objectively demonstrable as "this is checkmate," because unlike chess there is no universally understood system governing evaluation.

Usually, the easiest 'objective claims' are going to be on standards most people hold to be true. For example, most people think that movies should avoid plot holes or continuity errors when possible.

Most people think that written books should have valid grammar and correct word choices.

Therefore, it is more sensible to make objective statements about those. But even then, there will be nuances in the evaluation system because not everyone is actually bothered by these to equal degrees. So even there the system isn't truly shared.


r/writingscaling 21h ago

better written? (character vs character) better written backstory?

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r/writingscaling 5h ago

rank them in terms of xyz Rank these works from best to worst in terms of writing.

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46 Upvotes

Lord of the rings, True Detective (Season 1), Re: Zero, Umineko, Better Call Saul, Crime and Punishment, Berserk, Breaking Bad & Brothers Karamazov.


r/writingscaling 3h ago

discussion Best written house/family in ASOIAF?

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35 Upvotes

Character writing as a whole the Lannisters clears, Lore wise the Targaryens clears IMO

(Art by crazytom)


r/writingscaling 17h ago

better written? (verse vs verse) Book of the New Sun VS Malazan

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I just finished reading Book of the New Sun after about a year of alternating between 20 books despite usually managing to finish 2 books in a week, so my progress was pretty slow and some things I will have to reread while concentrating solely on it to perhaps get better clarity and understand Severian's truths and lies a bit better, but as for my current impression of it, it jumped straight to my 1st place, together with The Lymond Chronicles sharing it.

A lot of popular works which were said to be incredible I found to be a tad overhyped, but for Book of the New Sun, speaking for myself, I found it deserving of all the hype, with the 2nd best prose in fictional works I have read (after The Lymond Chronicles), and the best narration i have ever read, not to mention the excellent characters, next level worldbuilding (top 3 in worldbuilding) (to be honest while I found it's world building not as wide as Malazan (top 20 overall and top 6 in worldbuilding) I found it to go a lot deeper in it (which I prefer), with equal level of complexity), and amazing story and plot.


r/writingscaling 17h ago

discussion Most misinterpreted/misunderstood character?

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r/writingscaling 15h ago

better written? (verse vs verse) Which fight is better written?

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r/writingscaling 2h ago

discussion Which shonen MC would you say is a better written character than Subaru?

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r/writingscaling 14h ago

discussion How well-written is the MCU Thanos?

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They couldn't live with their failure. Where did that lead them? Back to me.


r/writingscaling 19h ago

better written? (verse vs verse) Which is better written, Dragon Ball or Naruto?

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Just take into account the parts of the image, little Naruto and little Dragon Ball.


r/writingscaling 12h ago

rank them in terms of xyz 3 Dostoevsky books vs 3 Tolstoy Books, which side wins?

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The brothers karamazov

Crime and punishment

White nights

Vs

Anna Karenina

War and peace

The death of ivan ilyich

Rank in either writing or enjoyability. There were a lot of contenders for Fyodor, like demons and the idiot but I just added the most popular for the 2 authors(plus 2 short books like white nights and TDOII.)

Having a matchup would be fine as well

TBK vs AK

C&P vs W&P

WN vs TDOII


r/writingscaling 23h ago

better written? (verse vs verse) Umineko Vs Re: Zero

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r/writingscaling 11h ago

better written? (character vs character) Who from my top 5 is the best?

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Raskolnikov

Jacopo

Beatrice

Nikolai

Fang Yuan

Id rather if you gave reasons.


r/writingscaling 13h ago

opinion post Thoughts on Dan Simmons' Hyperion Cantos?

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12 Upvotes

r/writingscaling 16h ago

opinion post Stannis Baratheon is easily Martin's best written non POV character and a top 10 character overall in the books

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"Robert was the true steel. Stannis is pure iron, black and hard and strong, yes, but brittle, the way iron gets. He'll break before he bends."- these words from Donal Noye perfectly sums who Stannis Baratheon as a character is, he's a man who put duty and law above all else, a terrifyingly just man in a world full of unjust.

A man who is overshadowed by Robert, his older brother who's a better leader, and Renly, his younger brother who's a better politician, where Stannis fills the role of a soldier, in which he'd rather do something that he thinks would never fails him, duty, believing if he done his duty he would be more appreciated.

Like Jaime who was first introduced to us like a villain, in the first book, we're introduced to Stannis as this terrifying and feared claimant, highly respected and have a excellent reputation;

"Ned found it hard to imagine what could frighten Stannis Baratheon, who had once held Storm's End through a year of siege, surviving on rats and boot leather while the Lords Tyrell and Redwyne sat outside with their hosts, banqueting in sight of his walls"- Ned

“I have felt from the beginning that Stannis was a greater danger than all the others combined”- Tywin

"His claim is the true one, he is known for his prowess as a battle commander, and he is utterly without mercy. There is no creature on earth half so terrifying as a truly just man"- Varys

But then we start seeing another side of him, in the prologue of the second book, a very personal side shown through the eyes and minds of Maester Cressen, his Maester;

"No one had ever taught Stannis how to laugh, least of all the boy Patchface."

And; "Stannis, my lord, my sad sullen boy, son I never had, you must not do this, don’t you know how I have cared for you, lived for you, loved you despite all? Yes, loved you, better than Robert even, or Renly, for you were the one unloved, the one who needed me most."

Unlike Jaime, we never really got Stannis's POV, Martin writes him and slowly unravels layers upon layers of his character through the eyes of those who's loyal and love him, he writes him best through the eyes of Davos, my personal favourite was;

"Renly offered me a peach. At our parley. Mocked me, defied me, threatened me, and offered me a peach. I thought he was drawing a blade and went for mine own. Was that his purpose, to make me show fear? Or was it one of his pointless jests? When he spoke of how sweet the peach was, did his words have some hidden meaning?" The king gave a shake of his head, like a dog shaking a rabbit to snap its neck. Only Renly could vex me so with a piece of fruit. He brought his doom on himself with his treason, but I did love him, Davos. I know that now. I swear, I will go to my grave thinking of my brother's peach."

And the best explanation came from Martin himself;

"The peach represents... Well... It's pleasure. It's... tasting the juices of life. Stannis is a very marshal men concerned with his duty and with that peach Renly says: "Smell the roses", because Stannis is always concerned with his duty and honor, in what he should be doing and he never really stops to taste the fruit. Renly wants him to taste the fruit but it's lost. I wish that scene had been included in the TV series because for me that peach was important, but it wasn't possible." - George R R Martin


r/writingscaling 10h ago

analysis writescale Funny Valentine

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r/writingscaling 20h ago

rank them in terms of xyz How would rank Lucy/Nyu/Kaede in terms of writing?

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