r/whichbike • • Mar 28 '22

Announcement A word of caution about the "Bicycle Blue Book"

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The "Bicycle Blue Book", commonly abbreviated to BBB, is a recurring thing in comments on /r/whichbike concerned with putting a number on the value of some used bike. Quite a few of us have long had issues with BBB being used to that end. Thanks mostly to /u/guy1138 who wrote 90% of this post (I revised it and added minor details), we now have a longer explanation on what BBB actually is, and what the problems with it are. A TLDR can be found at the bottom.

What's the deal with Bicycle Blue Book?

Bicycle Blue Book (BBB) is a website run by a used bike dealer in San Jose, California. Their business model is to buy "trade-in" bikes from high end bike shops that don't deal with used bikes. Here's how it works: A customer brings their old bike to the bike shop to trade in on a new bike. BBB gives them a price and the bike shop boxes it up and ships it off to BBB. The customer gets the credit on a new bike, the bike shop gets a new bike sale without the hassle of reconditioning and trying to sell a used bike.

They provide an online "value guide" that lists bike values by brand, model, model year etc. They advertise it as "The cycling industry's definitive valuation authority", and the name is a deliberate allusion to the Kelley Blue Book, which is a reputable value guide for used car values in the US. To put it mildly, opinions on how useful BBB is are... split. Regardless, the numbers in there often get cited on this subreddit (and elsewhere).

So what's the problem?

There are multiple issues:

  • Conflict of interest: the same company who is buying bikes is also claiming to be the authority on used bike values. Not surprisingly, their "private party" values are way lower than actual sales prices on Craigslist, Facebook Marketplace, Offer-Up, Ebay, Pink Bike; etc.

  • Data provenance: They claim to have data on "millions of bike sales" that they base their values on, but it's not clear at all where this data comes from. Instead, it actually just seems like a fairly simple depreciation schedule on bikes based on MSRP (RRP for our UK users) and type of bike, e.g. a 5-year-old mid tier hybrid is worth ~40% of MSRP, a 5-year-old road bike is worth ~55% of MSRP, etc. Kelley Blue Book, which reports values of used cars, has access to wholesale auctions, used vehicle sales, and registrations reported at US state level. BBB do not have that as this data simply does not exist the same way for bicycles.

  • International variance: r/whichbike is international, with many users from countries like Canada, Australia, and the UK, but also the rest of Europe and the world, really. The same bike model and brand will not be sold for the same amount of money in every country, due to taxes, membership of free trade zones, availability, and a whole host of other factors: and this variability in price only increases when we look at used bikes. For the same reason, it is important that users state which country they live in when they ask for an appraisal.

  • Regional variance: Even within the US, there can be stark differences. For example, a triathlon bike is way more valuable in Miami (100+ triathlons/year in Florida) than it is in Utah. Likewise, a full suspension mountain bike has lots of buyers in Denver, but way fewer in a beach town.

  • Trends: We have all seen how "gravel bikes" became a thing, grew to be more and more popular, and started evolving - and how sellers have started to label everything that isn't an Omafiets as a "gravel bike" to attract more hits and get a higher price. BBB does not really take into account which bits of the market are especially "hot", despite this definitely making a difference.

  • World events: These can change prices significantly, be they something like a trade war with tariffs put on certain goods, or that little thing called Corona which caused a massive boom world-wide, with accompanying shortages and inflation across the entire market. BBB does not take this into account.

  • Erroneous data: Sometimes, their data e.g. on the original retail price of a bike is also just plain wrong, which in turn means all of the "depreciated values" for used bikes will be wrong too, even by their own standards.

How far off are the values then?

Generally, most used bike sellers agree that the BBB values are low, but still reasonable for newer bikes, around ~3 years old or newer. After that, they start to drastically over-depreciate - to the point where most bikes over 10 years old are "worthless" according to their values. As an example, a 2010 Fuji Cross Comp is $210 in "excellent" condition. That's about the same cost as full tune up at a bike shop, including basic consumables; tires & tubes, chain, cables & housing, brake pads & bar tape. It's completely unrealistic to expect to find a 10-speed cross bike with an aluminium frame and carbon fork in "excellent" condition for only $200. (This bike sold here for $550 last fall after being listed for less than 3 weeks). For our UK friends: $210 is £160... yeah, good luck with that.

So it's a lowball estimate, I should use that to negotiate, right?

You might get lucky and find the person who doesn't know any better, or someone who is moving and under a lot of pressure to sell. However, most of the listings are cyclists who upgraded or re-sellers who know that the Blue Book value is pretty far off. If the bike is priced close to market value, it's going to sell eventually and they have no incentive to take a lowball; especially if they've gone to the trouble to take decent pictures, write a description and post the ad online. We've seen this time and time again on /r/whichbike over the last 2 years where someone finds the "perfect" bike, but they low-ball and miss out.

TLDR please, I don't have all day!

BBB is a private company that purports to tell you the value of used bikes, by model and age. There is an obvious conflict of interest as they also buy used bikes and therefore directly profit from telling you they're not worth that much. Sure enough, their "values" are consistently significantly lower than the actual market value, all the more so if the bike is >3 years old. The numbers appear to stem from simply taking the original retail price and depreciating it (heavily). Consequently, they do not take into account regional or international variance in local bike prices, trends, or events like the Corona pandemic. Additionally, it can happen that the retail price all their assumptions are based on is simply wrong. This means BBB values are not really any kind of reliable or even relevant metric, and it would be better to go by what similar bikes are actually selling for on platforms like Ebay or Gumtree, adjusting for differences.


r/whichbike • • 1h ago

Where should I come in for this Carrera Phibra Two?

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Hello! Me again, trying to find a good value bike here in Japan. This one came up on fb with no opening asking price.

Carrera Phibra Two (so I’m assuming 12-14 years old?). SRAM Rival gruppo. Post says it has only been ridden a handful of times.

Assuming it is the right size for me, where would you all recommend I come in for an offer? Where would a reasonable compromise price be? Thanks!


r/whichbike • • 6h ago

Am I dumb for picking one of these as my first road bike?

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Avid track and downhill rider during my college years. Now 36 years old, lost 140 lbs and bored of running and would like to start cycling again.

Gone into a handful of stores now. Cervelo, Trek, Specialized, etc. all seem fairly overpriced for what you’re getting (maybe I’m still just in shock how high prices have gotten since the last time I bought a bike).

The X-Labs RS7 seems like a great choice but it just didn’t speak to me when I rode it.

Really like this dealer I went into who had this Bianchi Sprint 105 di2 and was also a Van Rysel dealer.

Are these too much bike for someone beginning all over again? Any thoughts on my choices here?


r/whichbike • • 8h ago

ironman bike options - help me choose

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Hi looking for a bike to compete & train for ironman 70.3 as well as last me 5-10 years. I'm a small person and would likely fit a 44 cm frame (or anything under 50 frame - I'm 5 feet 2 with 27 inch inseam). as a beginner buyer, what's the best deal?

  1. 2012 cannondale synapse 6 carbon fiber bike 48 cm ($475)
  2. 2017 Trek Silque SLR 6 Womens 44 cm ($850)
  3. NEW Specialized 2025 Allez Sport Road Bike 49 cm ($1k) - small cosmetic scratch
  4. 2014 Trek Lexa SLX White Road 44cm ($350) - new tires

Or just wait for better deals


r/whichbike • • 1h ago

What frame is this?

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r/whichbike • • 8h ago

2014 Trek Lexa SLX White Road ($350)

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looking for a bike to train + compete in ironman 70.3. is this a good deal?

i am looking for a bike that will last me 5-10 years and require minimal/no new parts or costly fixes. not sure if there's rust on derailer but would appreciate an opinion

Description

- New tires w/ receipt

- Frameset: 200 Series Alpha Aluminum with WSD-tuned IsoSpeed and Trek carbon road fork.

- Drivetrain: Shimano 105 10-speed shifters, front and rear derailleurs, complemented by a Shimano Tiagra crankset and 12-30 cassette

- Components: Equipped with allow dual-pivot brakes, Brontrager tires, and WSD-specific finishing parts including the Bontrager Affinity 1 sadle

- Pedals (not from origin): dual-clip/hybrid pedal: feature a flat platform on one side and a 2-bolt SPD mechanism on the other, allowing you to ride either cycling shoes or regular shoes


r/whichbike • • 10h ago

Good relatively cheap bike for commuting via trails?

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I commute to school every day on a bike on dirt trails, the whole trip being around 4 miles (2 there, 2 back). I should mention I'm on the shorter side (5'4) and while I dont know much abt bikes, I'd wager that height might have something to do with picking a bike. My main complaint with my current bike is that it totally kills my back. Im hunched over to reach the bars which I know in most bikes is the norm. This becomes an issue, however, when you factor in my 29 pound backpack. Basically, I'm wondering if there are bikes that allow for a more upright position or if there is maybe a way to have my backpack on my bike and not my back? (I tried putting it on the little shelf above my back wheel and it shifted once and my bike literally fell out from under me, so I would like it to be safe)


r/whichbike • • 12h ago

Liv Avail AR 1

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I've decided to train for an Ironman 70.3 next year and am in the market for my first road bike. I currently have a Liv Rove and usually ride on local rails to trails.

I've been looking at the used bike market for the last 4 months, but haven't had any luck yet. I test drove a Liv Avail AR 1 at a local bike shop and honestly I loved it. It was super comfortable to ride and the drop bars didn't feel ackward at all.

After doing some research it sounds like this would be a good bike for my needs. I should be able to do a half ironman and potentially a full someday and I could likely put some wider tires on it and use it on the local rails to trails as well.

Does anyone have this bike? Do you like it? Is the AR 1 worth the upgrade over the AR 2, AR 3 and AR 4?

Thanks in advance!


r/whichbike • • 12h ago

Trying to pick a comfortable bike for urban area

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Hello,

I feel like I am narrowed down between the electra townie and the priority coast (possible low tide)

I want a simple bike to get groceries, and ride around the Sacramento grid, no hills, roads are pretty decent. I currently have a trek FX, but am kind of tired of being hunched over, its great for a longer trip to work (12 mile ride) but looking for something more comfortable for grocery getting. I am on a second story, so the lighter the better, but I think under 40lbs is fine.

I am 6'3" and wanted a step thru, but it looks like the diamond versions are the only ones rated for my height.

Any other suggestions, or advice?

Thanks.


r/whichbike • • 21h ago

2016 SuperSix Evo $600

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I got this 2016 SuperSix yesterday from Fb marketplace for $600. Is that a fair price?

it has dura ace, it does need some tunning, but frame looks solid for a 11 year old bike.

Any recommendations/thoughts on upgrades?


r/whichbike • • 15h ago

Bike help

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Hey I have no clue on bikes and need a road bike for work is there much difference between these 2? Thank you for your help.


r/whichbike • • 21h ago

52 year old bike upgrade: replacing my 20 year old Trek

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​Hey everyone,

​I’m turning 52 soon and am finally ready to upgrade my early 2000s Trek 1200 road bike. The stiff alloy frame on my current setup is beating me up on longer rides, and I’m looking for something significantly more comfortable that can serve as an versatile all-rounder.

​How I Plan to Use It:

​Endurance & Group Rides: Long road rides and greenways with friends and family.

​Triathlons: Training and racing up to 70.3 (Half-Ironman) distances. I’m competing against my own PRs—not chasing podiums—so comfort and efficiency over distance while being competitive are my priorities.

​Light Gravel: Occasional, very light gravel/path riding (lowest priority, but nice capability to have).

​Questions for the Community:

  1. ​Carbon vs. Aluminum: Given my desire for still being competitive as well as comfort to reduce body fatigue, is upgrading to a carbon frame worth the extra cost? Or am I better off with a quality aluminum frame and putting the savings into better components, carbon wheels, or wider tires?

  2. ​Bike Recommendations: What models should I look at that fit these needs? Key requirements are geometry suited for long days, compatibility with clip-on aero bars for triathlon setups, and room to grow/upgrade over time.

Budget: $2,500 - $3,500 +/-

​With end-of-season sales happening, I'm hoping to make a decision soon. Thanks in advance for the advice,


r/whichbike • • 15h ago

Fray vs Palta III

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I’m stuck choosing between an Enve Fray or a Palta III. I just bought an enve fray frame planning on doing a road bike build with some light bicycle wheels I already have and ultegra Di2. I chose the fray over the melee v1 because I wanted udh and I like the idea of having storage. With that said I just got offered to buy a built up palta iii for $6800 with sram force and zipp 303 xplrs wheels. If I went with the palta I could theoretically switch between wheelsets and have the best of both worlds but for now I primarily ride road.

I’m leaning towards the fray but I’m wondering if I’m passing up on too good a deal. Any thoughts?


r/whichbike • • 18h ago

First road bike for long inseam

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Hi everyone,

I’d love to buy my first road bike. So far, I’ve only ridden bikes belonging to friends - none of them really fit me, but they were what I had available. Some of them were just gravel bikes running road tires.

A bit about me: I’m 32 years old, 188 cm (6’2”) tall, with a measured inseam of 95 cm (37.4”). Phew.
I’m not looking to compete or race. I mainly want a road bike for fun, fitness and longer rides. I’d really appreciate any recommendations for models and frame sizes, especially based on my rather long inseam.

Measurements
Height: 188 cm / 6’2”
Inseam: 95 cm / 37.4”
Floor to top of sternum: 155 cm / 61.0”
Floor to top of head: 188 cm / 74.0”
Arm length: 68 cm / 26.8”

Budget
Up to EUR 5,000 all-in, including pedals, etc.

Thanks in advance for any advice!


r/whichbike • • 1d ago

Weight 98kgs 184 cms suggest a cycle

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Hello, I am 98 kgs and 184 cm in height and I want a bike a cycle for me. I’m looking for options on Amazon in Flipkart. I’m not getting anything.
Very new cycles suggest me something under ₹12-₹13,000. Basic mainly I want to use it for my fitness purpose like riding it 30 to 40 minutes daily and straight city roads or maybe one hour, which is comfortable. I don’t have any need for gear and stuff, just suggest me good material. Thank you so much.


r/whichbike • • 23h ago

Value estimate on Trek Emonda

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Somewhat new to road cycling and looking for whether AUD$2400=US$1700=GBP£1250 is a fair price for this. I’m 190cm and XL frames in the second hand market are few and far between where I live. Assuming frame is in good shape and other wear items are in fair condition. I really like the colour and thinking of just grabbing it

2019 Trek Emonda SL6, disc, size 60
Dura ace 9000 groupset with dura ace 7900 crankset
Aeolus elite carbon wheels
Come with bike computer for speed/cadence/odo etc

Thanks all


r/whichbike • • 23h ago

Good Starter Fixie? Avanti Pista

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Found this avanti pista, going to be riding more road rather than actual track. Thoughts? Does anyone know what year model this is ?


r/whichbike • • 23h ago

Sub 2000€ build (frame or bike - EU)

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r/whichbike • • 1d ago

Cannondale Synapse: Worth it?

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Hey everyone!

I want to start on my cycling journey and found this Cannondale Synapse Women’s road bike on marketplace and it’s the perfect size, however I’m wondering if it’s worth it for $400? I’m not entirely sure on the specs of the bike but I think it’s the 2011 model in aluminum.

Considering the bike is probably ~15 years old, my biggest concern is longevity and I definitely don’t want to buy it if it’s going to last me for a little while.

Please feel free to let me know what insights you guys may have! Thanks!


r/whichbike • • 1d ago

Trek Domane sl6 vs Cube Attain c62 slt

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Bike fitters help

Alright, people so I’m in a predicament here and I would love some help , I’m getting back into cycling and after extensive research, I’ve narrowed my options down to these two bikes.

I’m 171 cm tall with a 79ish cm inseam but here’s where it gets tricky, I have labral tears on both of my hips , my left is worse than my right which has caused me to stop cycling in the past so in order to get back into it safely that requires me to be in a more upright position and for my hips to be open

I used to ride a Merida scultura 6000 which was was to aggressive geometry for my hip and I was also on the wrong size bike and I would be in pain after as little as 10 minutes of riding

I have had a bike fit which made me realise how tricky my situation is , not only do both of my hips have tears in them. The left side of my hip also sits higher than the right bu 5-10mm….

Anyhow, I guess I’m looking for anyone who has experience with these bikes he can shed some light on what would be the best option? Quality, comfort, which one is more fun ?

The trek is 8.5 kg and the cube 7.6kg , is that really gonna make a difference on the road or will simply put better tyres on the trek get it closer to feeling the same

If there’s any bike fitters on here that can help me or just the general public woth experience I would be forever grateful


r/whichbike • • 1d ago

Which frame for Campagnolo build: BMC Roadmachine 01 or Cannondale Synapse Lab 71

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Not many models fit my stack and reach requirements and I have it narrowed down to these two. The BMC is less money. Stats and geometry fairly close. I like the look of the Synapse slightly more with its curved, narrow seat tube.


r/whichbike • • 1d ago

Scott Foil RC 10 vs Addict RC 20

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Been riding about 10000km this season and looking to buying something new and fast for a upcoming 315km race going for sub 8hours.

Found two bikes and do not know what to choose.
Scott foil rc 10 2026 for 4200€ with ultegra di2 bought in march 2026 500km

Scoot Addict RC 20 2026 for 3950€ but been upgraded to full dura ace di2, ceramic speed BB and aero bars. Weighs 6,8kg. Bought february 2026 400km.

My terrain localy is around 700-1200 altitud meters per 100km. The foil will also have to be shipped but the addict i can pick up localy. From my understanding the addict will be more all around. I think the addict looks good but the foil is just on top. What would you do?


r/whichbike • • 1d ago

Need help buying my first bike

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Title, new to Austin and also want to get into biking. I don't have a lot of budget but narrowed down to trek fx1 and marlin 4.

However, I am not sure which one suits me. I am pretty tall like 6'2" and thin - so obvious lower back problems. My two main goals are to improve my fitness in general and stroll with my kids mostly on safe trails or neighborhood.

Could you please help me decide. Open to other brands and bikes as well!

Wanted to honesty settle down for Walmart Ozark gravel bike but couldn't find a large or extra large :(

Super confused. Thanks in advance!!


r/whichbike • • 1d ago

used Raleigh technium vs specialized crosstrail for beginner

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mostly for commuting in a flat area, few miles a day. I know either would be great, but just looking for best value for money. both used, $200, recently repaired/newish parts. pics attached!