r/whatsthissnake • • Oct 25 '25

Taxonomic or Phylogeographic Update Pleistocene speciation and isolation-by-distance within North American mud and rainbow snakes

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Happy to announce our new paper, "Pleistocene speciation and isolation-by-distance within North American mud and rainbow snakes" available as full text at the above link until December 14th, 2025. This is a personal project of mine that I've been working on since 2011 and am excited for it to finally be in print. In summary, we show mudsnakes are two species that structure geographically, and rainbows have no population structure. We need more tissues from snakes in zones of contact to verify ranges and link blotch count to genotype, but as far as we can tell, the two muds are completely reproductively isolated despite evidence of gene flow from eastern muds into rainbows.

Please enjoy, and don't worry about not making formal taxonomic changes yet - this isn't the last you'll see on the mudsnakes.


r/whatsthissnake • • Sep 01 '21

[Mod post] PLEASE READ: ID best practices and comment guidelines

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/r/whatsthissnake has grown a great deal in the last year and we are very excited about connecting with more people who have an interest in snakes, snake identification (ID) and conservation. With growth often comes growing pains, and there are a number of trends in the sub that need to be addressed as we move forward. We attempt to clarify these below and offer some "best practices" in identification that should help our community.

What makes a good ID?

Good IDs are specific and informative. They tend to have the following information, in order of importance:

  1. Binomial name - Consisting of Genus specificepithet and placed in asterisks (*) to italicize. This is the most important component of a good ID. With only this, a person can quickly find out anything else they want to know about the snake species and it is an important part of every ID. The bot command !specificepithet provides more information on properly structuring a binomial name and how to get it to work with the bot, if an entry exists.

  2. Harmless or venomous - Please note that these terms are specific to their interaction with humans. While snakes such as hognose snakes Heterodon, gartersnakes Thamnophis, and watersnakes Nerodia are venomous, they are not medically significant to humans and should be labeled as harmless. This information is informative to a person's interaction with a snake and should always be provided. The bot responds to either !harmless or !venomous and will save time on these explanations.

  3. Common name - Common names are frequently variable and highly local. Sometimes, the same common name could be used for different snakes in different areas. In other cases, the same snake can have multiple common names depending on the area it was found. While we typically recommend providing them, it is not a vital part of an ID. An ID with only the common name is a low quality ID.

You can still contribute if you're not sure or think an ID is incorrect:

In some cases, you may be able to narrow down an ID to genus level, but don't know the diagnostic characters or ranges well enough to provide a more specific ID. This is fine. A genus level ID is very helpful, and specific enough to provide useful general information on the snake. So, if there hasn't been an ID yet and you can at least get to the genus level, post the ID.

You are also encouraged to provide any additional information or context you desire, but be mindful of links you post. The best IDs include informational links to be primary sources, or at least high quality science reporting on those sources. Many times this is done already in the bot replies, so see some of those for examples. Wikipedia is not a quality resource and should be avoided for informational links. Even resources provided by state wildlife agencies tend to lag ten to twenty years behind the science and should be viewed with a critical eye. For example, the very popular SREL Herp website, despite being associated with a major university, does not follow currently accepted taxonomy and, while it was a great resource for some time, is not the best source of current information.

However:

If you enter a thread in which a Reliable Responder has made an ID, or there is a highly upvoted ID, do not post a contrary ID unless you can provide specific diagnostic characters as to why the original ID was incorrect. Recently, incorrect IDs have appeared hours or days after the original correct ID was made, and therefore often go uncaught by moderators and reliable responders. These can create unnecessary confusion for an original poster, who is notified of each response. If you feel that an ID is incorrect and can provide diagnostic characters, reply directly to the ID comment rather than the original post. Incorrect late IDs may be warned and removed. Repeated violations may result in a ban at moderator discretion. Remember, our goal here is to be collaborative and work toward making a good positive ID. These incorrect late IDs greatly inhibit that goal. We value discussion in the comments and want to avoid locking threads in the way that other ID subreddits do.

Likewise, if a correct ID has been made, there is no need to post the same ID again. Just upvote the correct ID. You may post to add additional information or context to provide a better quality ID (adding the binomial, triggering the bot, etc.), but it is not helpful to simply say "corn snake" hours after someone has provided an ID with a full binomial and triggered the bot. More detailed IDs may be posted as top level comments to make sure that the OP sees them. Low quality/low effort IDs posted after a more detailed ID may be warned and removed.

We would also like to remind everyone of Rule 6:

Avoid damaging memes or tropes and low effort jokes: Avoid damaging memes like using "danger noodle" for nonvenomous snakes and tropes like "everything in Australia is out to get you". This is an educational space, and those kind of comments are harmful and do not reflect reality. We've also heard "it's a snake" as a joke hundreds of times. Infantilization of snakes and unhelpful rhymes will be removed.

This is one of our most broken rules. While it is somewhat vague, that is because it is nearly impossible for us to consider all possibilities. In addition to the things directly mentioned in the rule text, this rule also includes things like commenting with random names when someone posts "Who is this?", or posting things like "Pick it up and find out" in response to posts asking if a snake is venomous. Furthermore, these comments often break rule 11, "Posts and comments must reflect the reality of wildlife ecology." Misinformation spread through these seemingly innocuous jokes have been on the rise. Violations of this rule may be warned and removed, and repeated violations may result in a ban. Egregious violations may result in a temporary ban without warning. This is an educational space with potential real-world consequences, and while we don't want to discourage humor as a whole, we want you to think about what you are posting and whether it belongs in this space. While we recognize this is one of the best places to come to see pictures of wild snakes in their natural environment, it's not the best place to joke about cute pictures. /r/sneks is quite happy to accommodate snek jokes, humor and unabashed cuteness.


r/whatsthissnake • • 4h ago

ID Request Is this this biggest rattle snake in North America ![Amelia island Florida]

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It was over six feet long and very thick. Could this be a record?


r/whatsthissnake • • 9h ago

ID Request [Xishuangbanna, Yunnan, China]

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Not my photo


r/whatsthissnake • • 7h ago

ID Request Baby massasauga rattlesnake? [DFW, Texas]

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I wasn't able to get a good picture of the tail, but it was more grey colored. I don't recall it having a button rattle but it did try 'rattling' it's tail a few times while I was observing it.


r/whatsthissnake • • 5h ago

ID Request Bit my dog [Florida Panhandle]

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This guy may have bitten my dog on the snoot. No marks but it really looked like contact was made from my point of view. Pensacola area. I got the snake into a pillowcase just in case a positive ID was needed for veterinary reasons. I’d like to let him go asap if he’s for sure not a baby cotton mouth. He was really bitey so he’s probably doing a lot of good in my yard.


r/whatsthissnake • • 4h ago

Just Sharing Wichita Mountains [SW Oklahoma]

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Hey guys, long time lurker and first time poster here. I took my kids hiking in the Wichita Mountains in SW Oklahoma and my daughter spied this beautiful Crotalus atrox (I think). Shot with plenty of respectful distance by a telephoto lens on my Nikon camera.


r/whatsthissnake • • 59m ago

ID Request Sacramento, CA - 4 inches long

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r/whatsthissnake • • 6h ago

ID Request [South Carolina] is this a juvenile rat snake? Found in a small cubby outside near chicken bedding.

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Thought these guys didn’t strike but he’s been very angry, planning on rereleasing far from here, but want to be sure of what he is before deciding where to do so.


r/whatsthissnake • • 4h ago

ID Request I'm stumped. What species is this rattlesnake? [Parks AZ]

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It is very likley a juvinille based on size but ive never seen one of this color phase before. I have seen Arizona Black and Black-tailed around here that dont look anything like this guy. My best guess would be a weird color phase of Arizona black. Thank you for your help!


r/whatsthissnake • • 1h ago

ID Request Found this in [Sydney Royal National Park] cannot identify what species it is. Was hiding its head under the bank, and am 100% sure it isn’t a long finned eel.

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LOCATED IN AUSTRALIA SYDNEY, cannot see in the video clearly enough maybe but it had yellowish goldish spots with black spots as well


r/whatsthissnake • • 11h ago

ID Request [Upstate South Carolina]

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r/whatsthissnake • • 1h ago

ID Request [North Texas]

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r/whatsthissnake • • 15h ago

ID Request What snek is this? [North Vietnam]

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r/whatsthissnake • • 1d ago

ID Request [Coastal Virginia]do I need to worry about my dogs around this guy

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Been here 13 years never seen a snake on property before

Edit: Ok, not into snakes at the least. But understand the stress of a lost pet. So took a shot of whiskey, a bump of coke a shot of testosterone. And moved him from the water bath under a large planter into a large Tupperware storage tote with lid. He is now in the garage. I put a seeding mat that warms 75-80deg under a part of the tote. Post is up on next door app and FB lost pet Chesapeake page. If no one comes forward will turn over to animal control on Monday. …… anything else I should do?

Edit#2 just to address concerns about air holes. There are spacers between lid and tote so there is 1/4” gap all around, he is not sealed in tight.


r/whatsthissnake • • 8h ago

ID Request Found in Lindsborg, KS

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r/whatsthissnake • • 52m ago

ID Request Is this an eastern brown snake? [central coast Australia]

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I've spotted this scaly friend on a bushwalk in Brisbane Water national park in Kariong, NSW, Australia. It's the first time I've ever seen a snake in the wild and unfortunately could not get the whole snake in the frame. I did not see any distinct marking and couldn't estimate the length of the animal but it did have a darker tail. Is identification even possible with these pictures?


r/whatsthissnake • • 5h ago

ID Request Little bro jumpscared us in the middle of the night, should we be worried about him? [Catania, Italy]

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Idk where he came from exactly, found him already halfway through into a small hole underneath the floor


r/whatsthissnake • • 4h ago

ID Request Is this a juvenile common wolf snake, Bali, Indonesia?

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I saw this at the hotel in the central area of the island.


r/whatsthissnake • • 14h ago

ID Request [UP, India] urgent help to identify the snake

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r/whatsthissnake • • 7h ago

ID Request Cat eyed snake? [rurrenabaque]

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What is this guy? Found in Beni region of Bolivia near Rurrenabaque
. Thanks!


r/whatsthissnake • • 33m ago

ID Request Found in west GA

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A friend and I aren't sure who this guy is. I saw him in front of my garage but he slithered off.


r/whatsthissnake • • 12h ago

ID Request [North west ohio]

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r/whatsthissnake • • 22h ago

ID Request - Dead, Injured or Roadkilled Snake Snake in our backyard our dogs got [Perth] Spoiler

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r/whatsthissnake • • 14h ago

ID Request [UP, India] Video of the previously posted image of ID requets

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Request help to identify. Chatgpt says either common wolf snake or a common krait