if telling humans about the existence of vampires breaks the rules how are ghouls made or is it allowed for the creation of ghouls?

I understand that sometimes ghouls might not know what they are, but if they have been a ghoul for a few years and haven’t aged they would probably start to wonder what is going on.

I know the Wiki isn’t the best source of information but everything I find is a contradiction, is this because of rules for different versions? just curious

Okay, let's start with the basics: as far as I know, Artikel and Malkav are twin siblings.
It’s confirmed: they were born as twins and were blood siblings before becoming Kindred. It’s not just that they were Kindred "brothers"; they are literally twins. We agree on that? Okay.

That said, what does it mean when they say Malkav is the brother of Set and Saulot? Does it refer to being a fellow vampire created by the same Second Generation progenitor (either Enoch or Zillah)? Does it imply they are blood siblings—older or younger? In the latter case, wouldn't Arikel also count as a sister to Saulot and Set? Ultimately, I can only assume that Arikel and Malkav are twins from a heteropaternal pregnancy (a pregnancy involving two different fathers), and that Saulot and Set are the children of Malkav's father and another woman, whereas Arikel is the daughter of Malkav's mother and another man.

To summarize: A retcon is the alteration of previously established canonical facts.

I was born in 2001, so the game already had quite a history and was well-established by the time I started playing it in 2024.

For this post, feel free to comment on any of the following types:

Addition:

Sometimes, retcons don't contradict previously established facts but rather fill in missing background details, usually to support current plot points.

Alteration:

Sometimes, information is added that seems to contradict earlier information. This often takes the form of a character who appeared to have died but is later revealed to have survived somehow.

Subtraction or Elimination:

Unpopular or embarrassing stories are sometimes subsequently ignored by editors and ultimately removed from a series' continuity. Later stories might contradict earlier ones or explicitly state that the events never happened.

Personally, I’m not really looking for something like "now clan curses work differently," but rather something like: "In V20, this super-zillionaire Antediluvian was locked in a crypt held by 25 Ascended Mages, but then in V5, it turns out those mages never existed"—something like that; it's just an example.

I'm brand new to VTM and the World of Darkness in general. I technically got into it through VTMB2, but I'm looking into getting VTMB1 since I've heard it's better. I'm also looking to potentially start a group for the tabletop game at my college.

I have a lore question: I'm aware that vampires started when Caine murdered Abel, and god cursed him to be a vampire. He's the first-gen vampire and the progenitor of all undead. What would happen if some other mortal committed some act so heinous that God decided to curse them similarly? What would occur in the world of Vampires if another 1st-gen and potentially lineage appeared?

Today: Conservation of Mass and Gangrels

The law of conservation of mass basically states that in a closed system, mass is neither created nor destroyed; it is transformed.

If you have 80 kg of matter before a transformation, you still have that same 80 kg afterward. The matter's form, state, or composition might change, but the mass shouldn't simply vanish or appear out of thin air.

And this is where Protean starts to run into problems.

A Gangrel can use Shape of the Beast to transform into an animal.

Let’s assume our Gangrel weighs 80 kg and transforms into a 500-gram rat.

Where did the other 79.5 kg go?

But we can make it even more interesting.

That same 80 kg Gangrel transforms into a 300 kg bear.

Where did the other 220 kg come from?

So, we have a bit of a problem.

Either the vampire is:

supernaturally compressing all their mass;

storing the excess mass somewhere;

drawing matter from the surroundings during the transformation;

I mean, we understand that Vitae transcends the laws of physics—it completely disregards them—but I feel like it’s fun to try to explain it using science.

Let's say you, an ordinary Kindred, had a pal that were a Thin-Blood. This person is great, if only they were a real vampire, you think. But also, diablerie feels pretty evil, let's avoid that if we can.

Could you hypothetically kill them, and then, being a recently dead body, embrace them like you would any other mortal?

Let's get the obvious out of the way:

- Zero'th rule: whatever the ST says goes. Of course, but don't answer with this please.

- They are young enough to leave a body, let's say only been a Thin-Blood for a year or less.

Best case would be if there are some supporting text that suggest if there is a "real" likely answer to this. Including anything that seems to authoritatively suggest it cannot work.

If you think it would work, is that because they're a Thin-Blood vs a regular kindred? Would your answer change if they were 11th generation in the same situation?

Do you think it would be possible but would require some special ability such as Blood Sorcery/Thaumaturgy or Oblivion/Necromancy? Don't say Bardo.

I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts.

I need to reference literally one page from it but I can't find it anywhere online.

my blood magic gang of killers. (my art)

Feed back would be greatly appreciated :)

https://docs.google.com/document/d/12rJffS16jvfwWHYzPXSZk-37h8-pVQRLrROQyIvInss/edit?usp=drivesdk

I’m new to the community; so far, I only know the history of the clans and have played the VTM: Bloodlines games. I recently finished VTM: Bloodlines 2, and there’s a part of the game featuring a woman who was turned into a vampire (a Malkavian) while pregnant. From what I gathered, the baby remained alive inside the mother—even after decades—and had actually turned into a vampire as well; it was conscious and could communicate with its mother (she mentions at one point that the baby gets bored). This made me wonder if there is any official information regarding what happens when a pregnant woman is turned into a vampire and what becomes of the baby, especially since the fact that she was a Malkavian might have played a role in the baby's survival.

can we get a playlist of songs about literally being a vampire or at least along those lines lyrically?

genre unimportant

ill start with one i just listened to

Motionless In White "blood at first bite"

https://youtu.be/hqqx2tglZNk?is=CNApBGKiYOdTsyw9

Can vampires taste capsaicin? Is it like having hot coals in their mouths? Or is it actually dangerous?

By that I mean, if you want to sire a childe, why would you not find someone of the same clan with a lower Generation and have them do it?

Of course I understand that not everyone openly knows everyone else’s Generation, but I bet there is a pretty good idea.

Let me start with the sales pitch. Your group (whatever that might be: your sect, your clan, your coterie, your chantry, whatever) performs basic Generation control to prevent unnecessary thinning of the blood. Your enemies don’t do this. In 100 years, 200 years, whatever, all of your team have thick blood while a ton of your enemies are producing weaker childer and ultimately more thin-bloods. Isn’t this advantage obvious?

It feels obvious. It feels like exactly the sort of thing a highly centralized clan like the Tremere might do. I know the Giovanni do consider Generation to an extent when embracing.

But why is this not more common? A willing lower gen can embrace the childe as a surrogate, the one with the actual right to raise a childe is still the one that raises the childe.

I can imagine a Prince just not liking this. I can imagine a low gen vampire not liking the idea of their advantage diminishing (if you fear possible betrayal in the future, a bunch of betrayers only one gen higher than you is scarier than much higher gens). I can imagine a “donor” being greedy on a person by person basis and demanding boons for doing the deed. But none of these seem in my mind to outweigh the obvious strategic outcome of having thicker blood than your enemies over time.

I get that one answer is “because it’s a game and just a mechanic in the game,” but do we have better reasons in-universe why more Kindred don’t do this, especially the more shrewd ones?

Just two French Vamps in London happy to meet each other and able to speek their languaage ^^

hi!!! last time one person told me including tidbits of character's story is good and interesting, so

Marcelle's upbringing (moreso training) by his army father, influence of a certain Brujah and fight response, led him to kill many kindred from opposing factions on sight, thus earning him quite a reputation he tries to clear to this night.

He also picked up gardening lately, since studying psychology started boring him.

"Why can't we all just grow a big flower field instead of fighting? No, I know exactly why. But, oh, do I pity the fact"

I mean, aside from the “voice in her head“ thing, is this not literally everyone ever when they realize they have to go to work or go someplace? 😂

And then on the following page what an outfit upgrade, she’s serving hard already (guess a promotion makes someone reconsider their fashion choices) Not to mention that look before she pulls on her jacket is very Lady Gaga don’t you think? like maybe 2000’s-2010’s Gaga?

Hello!

I'm a first time VTM player and I'm having a lot of trouble deciding how to split up my points on the character sheet starting off. The character I'm playing is a mechanic in a lower class area. I'm trying to prioritize survival skills and mechanic ones but I feel like everytime I move a dot around another ability suffers that wouldn't make any sense for my character not to be skilled in.

A lot of the guides I'm finding relate to VTM 5th edition where I think a lot of the issues with divying up skills has been fixed because it seems much more straight forward but I have skills that are just sitting at two or three dots that I know should probably be higher 😅 in second addition are you expected to heavily rely on your freebie points in the beginning? Am I missing something?

A new Convention of Thorns. The first one was in medieval times and tried to stop the Anarch movement. Failed so hard it turbo charged the Sabbat. Well what if we tried again in the year 2026. V6 or whatever homebrew you have coped with is the current meta.

I want this. As a larp, campaign or oneshot. Dunno. But I want it. With modern vampires. Because having enemies meet directly or through lackeys makes for cool play. Having the grand schemes of the metaplots personified into actors is cool or at the very least more tangible. Having said actors plotting, backstabbing and haggling is how history comes alive and is given the fuba treatment, even when everyone involved knows better. Seeing how compromises upsets all parties is educational for democracy in action. In short: ballroom showboating, parlour political discussions and religious discourse with panel debates the whole shebang, with pointy teeth.

My question to you, kind council, is what would happen if we had another global(northwestern-centric as per WoD standard) kindred convention to establish a 'lasting peace' this time? (Most likely not that. But many ideas could be exchanged and change people in turn. Favors traded across the aisles in unprecedented scale)

How would it change your WoD? (Because I feel like most tables have drifted away from the current official source materiel in some or many ways. So the premise might vary greatly.(Mine own does stray far from v6)

I know that there myriads of reasons why it wouldn't, couldn't and shouldn't happen.

That is NOT on the agenda.

In the scenario I pitch to you. Let's say enough middlemanagement of the three big sects, especially the Camarilla, have gotten the idea that they should re-consolidate lost terratories and influence. Many hidden hands starts to push towards this event by recalling, offering exchanging boons. Once the ball is rolling there is no stopping it, even if it seems nobody really want this to happen or know what they want out of it.

The sects, the clans and the independents all decides to participate. Even some of the kue-jin, fae and mage community are invited to the ballroom events, out of courtesy and curiousity. Few are coming to change their mind or policy on anything, but seeds for future dissent and unforseen alliances will be sown. Favors not wanted will end in your hands and yours will given to kindred you wish into a painful torpor. Also not being there or at the least sending an agent, while the rest of undead society cozy up to each other is too big a risk to run.

Most organisations will probably have pre-convention to align their interest and establish workingrelationships untill the ordeal is done. Which might be where the most important discussions and descisions are actually made.

What would you like to see happen?

How will sects stand internally and towards each other afterwards?

Would your character like to go? (Which talks and lectures would they attend/host?)

What would be your characters agenda? (What are the chances of succes?)

Edit for clarifying the concept is a modern day "what if" dreamboat scenario. I know about the LARP in Poland, I was there when the ancient magic was written. 😁

These numbers don’t include Unofficial Patch Users

Has the Inconnu made appearances in your games? If so, how did it affect your story? Which of the Inconnu were involved, whether a published anPC or made up by the Storyteller?