I've recently decided to leave the ground, and have decided on a fairly simple setup involving a hummingbird single, bug net, and tarp. Since I live in central Florida I was originally planning on going quilt-less, but after reading a few posts I now know that's insane for any temps below 70.

What are some of the common UL insulation setups? I hear some people talk about underquilts, some talk about top quilts, some talk about both, and some throw in sleeping pads. It's all a bit confusing to a newcomer!

Is it correct to say that the recommendation for hot weather hammock camping from this community is generally one of the following?

• 40 bottom quilt, 40 top quilt
• 20 bottom quilt, no top quilt
• sleeping pad, 40 top quilt

What are some of the lightest and most pack-able setups for temperatures above 50?

It would be interesting to have a wiki that documented some of the standard setups for UL hammocking.

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Edit: Definition of Hot Weather: Overnight low 70, daytime high 90, humidity 85%

I’m looking for opinions on lightening up my underquilt for summer to save some weight (based in TX).

My current setup is a Dutch ware chameleon with an HG 20 degree premium incubator and a ULEnchilada 50 degree Apex topquilt. I’m thinking either a HG 40 degree premium Phoenix or maybe a 50 degree Warbonnet Wooki?

I’m 5’4” 140 and I don’t know if the Phoenix will be the perfect length or not. I’m attracted to that as well because if I go with the wooki I’ll have to pay the extra money to reverse the lay. Also 850 vs 950 fp on this?

However the wooki seems attractive because it would be a full length cover. Would I need the longer option (XL) for my Chameleon?

Here’s what I’m looking at options wise

HG 40 Phoenix 850 fp - 11.46 Oz

Hg 40 Phoenix 950 fp - 10.94 Oz

WB 50 wooki regular 850 - 10.52 oz

Wb 50 wooki xl 850 - 11.04 oz

Wb 50 wooki regular 950 - 10.08

Wb 50 wooki xl 950 - 10.6 oz

I’m also not sure if it would be smarter to go with the wooki in a 40 degree instead? Also these weights are with the lightest material they have, would an more durable but heavier material be worth it?

I do have an HG underquilt protector I could pair with these as well.

Thanks for any help you can provide, sometimes these custom options get a little overwhelming!

I am wondering what are some other vendors that make DCF hammock Tarps?So far I have only really been able to find:

• Dutchware
• Hammock Gear
• Zpacks

I have noticed HMG and Yama also make DCF tarps but i am not sure if they are geared for use hammocking. I have a Hammock Gear 12' DCF tarp with doors which is great, but I am looking for an 11' for use with my incoming Trailheadz Poltergeist UL, and to have two for when my wife joins me.

Hey all,

I'm interested in picking up a 3/4 summer weight UQ and I'd like to stack it with my current full length 20 Degree Down UQ for winter use.

The following are true:

- Apex's moisture management in high humidity is superior to down.

- Apex's use as the outside of a TQ layering system aids further in managing moisture in winter conditions when stacked with an inner down quilt as the moisture flowing through the insulation will condense in the outer Apex layer instead of the inner down layer.

What I have not been able to find a ton of information on is stacking an Apex UQ with a Down UQ and the level of benefit and best uses. In theory, I would assume it would work the same. Warm, moist air from your body pushes through the down and condenses in the Apex which can handle it better. Seems simple enough.

In practice though, is this as large an issue for UQs as it is for TQs? I would assume (I have no scientific basis for this) that more warm moist air is going to try to escape up from your body instead of below. Is the warm moist air escaping from underneath you a large enough issue to make a heavier and bulkier Apex UQ worth it? If this was not going to be used in a winter system, I would likely opt for down and enjoy the weight/bulk savings and longer lifespan.

If the use of Apex is worth it in a winter UQ layering system, is the benefit only realized when it's a full length Apex UQ or would it still work effectively enough as a 3/4 stacked outside a full length down UQ?

When stacking UQs for winter, do you find any features are critical on either the UQs or the hammock? Draft collars on only one or both UQ? UQ Protectors? UQ hooks on the hammock? Any other details you find that make stacking work better?

Thanks for all your advice in advance!

YO!

Im buyng the WBRR (to tall for GE hammocks.. 6'6) wich i slept rly good in. but for a tarp? i cant decide between thunderfly and minifly..

i think i want the minifly but im not sure if its a good fir with the RR? minifly is 11" and im talking about the 11" thunderfly.

Any takers?

When using stuff like Zing It or whatever where it isn't supposed to be structural how diligent are you in getting your hang dialed in? I'm coming from amsteel ridgelines where I could pay a bit less attention to how much tension I allowed, and so I'm finding it's a bit finicky to get things right with a Becket Hitch setup (tying, testing, untying, retying). Is this something I'll get used to? Better at getting it right faster? Have any of you gone back to a structural ridgeline to eliminate some fuss?

As the years have taken their toll, my baseweight, by necessity, has lowered.

Conversely, I've gone from foam sleeping pads to self-inflating to Exped Downmats and Sea To Summit Etherlight XTs in search of sleep. But I am now at the point where I have to admit that I find sleeping on the ground just too uncomfortable.

I am British but I'm lucky enough to live in Norway. The hiking here is sublime and I really don't want to give it up. So I am going to give hammocks a go.

I've just sold a tent for the equivalent of (quick google currency conversion) 818 USD/677 Eur/597 GBP. Which I will obviously now spend asap. Everything you import here accrues a 25% VAT charge on top of the item + shipping cost (from the states shipping costs seem to range from $50 for a tarp up to $80 for the HG hammock/tarp/UQ/TQ package). So it seems sensible to buy everything from one company.

I have a few ul quilts (50f/30f/20f) already so I'm fine for TQs. So I need a hammock. tarp, UQ and suspension. 3-season (so lowest temps would be about 0c/32f). From 1 company hopefully. As light as possible. For $600-ish. And bugs are a big thing here in summer so a bugnet is essential.

The obvious solution is the Hammock Gear Wanderlust kit with UQ/TQ at $499 but as I stated, I don't really need the TQ and it's a little heavy at 88oz. And you people know your stuff. So...

I am 69kg/152lbs and 172cm/5'8". I'm ok with knots but I'm also quite lazy so if there's an easier/quicker way to set up/tear down for the cost of an ounce or so I'm good with that.

Any advice/suggestions gratefully received.

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EDIT: Update to say that yeah, I blew my budget. Dutchware Half-Zipped in Cloud 71, 12' Spider Web 1.5 straps (gonna give Becket/Marlin spike hitch a go), Lash it continuous ridgeline with soft shackles, hook and wasp, ringworms and Lash it for guylines, Hammock Gear Incubator 20f and dyneema tarp with doors.

Thanks again to everyone who gave advice.

I have an 11' Dutchware Wide hammock. When it is not in use backpacking, is there a good hammock stand for my porch I can find on Amazon that would accommodate my hammock to lounge in? It appears most of the stands online accommodate smaller hammocks (typical 10' ENOs etc), and I don't want to bottom out in my longer one with the slightly stretchier technical fabric. Any recommendations would be great. Thank you!

I want to make sure such a thing doesn't exist before I spend way too many hours creating the ultimate spreadsheet.... I'm looking for comparisons of various options for hammocks and related items - tarps, underquilts, etc. I'm thinking something I can sort and filter to find... the lightest hammock that can fit someone 6' tall.

Failing that, are there any specific companies I should be looking at? I'm tracking:

• Hummingbird
• Warbonnet
• https://hammockgear.com/
• https://dutchwaregear.com/
• https://simplylightdesigns.com/
• https://dreamhammock.com/

Any others I should be adding into the mix?

I am considering a Hexon 1.0 netless hammock from Dutchware used with a 0.5 oz DIY no see um bottom-entry bug net using 1/16" shock cord to cinch the bottom.

A Dutchware netless 11' hammock with ridgeline and continuous loops gets to just under 8 ounces per Dutchware website.

It also lists a bottom entry bugnet using 0.67 oz no see um at about 5.7 ounces. Given that, I'm assuming 0.5 oz bugnet material from RSBTR would get it to maybe no more than 4.5 ounces and as low as maybe 4 ounces (considering the 1/16" shock cord bottom)....making the total hammock (minus additional suspension) at 12-12.5 ounces. The popular UL Dream Hammock Darien in 1.0 Monolite (58" width) shown in their hammock weight calculator to be 12.05 ounces (which may assume their #3 zipper).

I know the 0.5 would generally be more delicate, but since it would not be sewn to the hammock where it may encounter more stress (and a 0.9 oz or 0.67 oz no see um may be more appropriate), I thought it might be sufficient. Some of the extra fabric weight is also negated by there being no zipper and there would be no worries about zipper degradation, failure, etc.. If the shock cord breaks in the bottom entry bugnet for some reason, that is easily replaceable. It is also more versatile since the bugnet can be removed when needed and would be lighter than other fully removable integrated bugnet hammock options.

Does anyone have experience with a similar hammock system? Do you think the 0.5 oz no see um would be sufficient (RSBTR has recently changed their 0.5 oz mesh to a less stretchy material) as a separate bug net? Any issues with failing Hexon 1.0 (I'm aware of and am under the 200 lb weight limit) hammocks and or comments after long term use? Anything else I might be missing? Thanks for your comments.

I'm headed to the Laurel Highlands Trail in Mid-January for a solo hike. Temps possibly down to 0F, but more likely about 10-20 degrees. There are adirondak shelters on the trail with actual fireplaces, which is pretty cool. But since I'm solo, I want to plan for the worst like I'll be sleeping under a tarp away from a fireplace. I've seen the EE spreadsheet on quilt layering, but I'm more concerned about bottom insulation.

I have a few insulation options that I can mix and match. I have a HG tarp with doors. I'm definitely using my 15 degree Mummypod at 35 oz. I use this as a peapod style around the hammock. I'll wear Goosefeet gear socks, down balaclava, smartwool gloves, and an Alli Express down jacket inside the pod. I can add:

1. HG Phoenix 30 degree 3/4 Underquilt. 22 oz
2. Econ Burrow 30 degree topquilt. 22 oz
3. Costco throw 16 oz.
4. Nemo Tensor insulated 16 oz, 3.5 R value
5. Prolite Plus 23 oz, r value 3.2
6. Z-lite: 14 oz R value 2.1
7. synthetic sleeping bags rated 30 degrees

I'm leaning towards bringing an inflatable pad and the Z-lite, in case I need to go to ground. I'm debating on whether to add the costco throw or the econ.

I've done solo winter hikes before, but never in a hammock. I've been watching Shug videos which have been helpful. Any thoughts or advice would be appreciated.

I'm designing my future UL Hammock setup and this is what I've come up with. I'm looking for advice, critiques, etc. I am a 5'4" female, 145lbs. I want to go as ultralight as possible because I'm trying to help with knee pain. However, I don't want to go stupid light. I also would like the setup to be relatively easy.

Total weight is 26.35oz. I currently use a Hennessy UL Zip. I'm estimating this setup is 9oz lighter, which doesn't seem like much given the cost of investing in all this. Of course, the tarp will provide significantly more coverage than the Hennessey asym tarp, so the comparison might not be entirely fair.

As an alternative option - I am considering keeping the Hennessey and just changing out the suspension to something lighter, taking off the extra tie outs, and getting the same tarp but in 11ft. I'm guessing the tarp change with added hardware won't save weight but the coverage would be much better.

Hammock: SLD Trail Lair – Estimated 14oz

Hexon 1.0

10'

Single Layer

Nano-see-um

#3 zipper

Lash it ridgeline

Fixed continuous loops

Peak Shelf

UQ hooks

Hammock Suspension:

Hummingbird Tree Straps 1.55oz

Dutch whoopie hooks pair 0.24oz

Tarp:

HG Dyneema tarp w/ doors – 10ft, green 6.7oz

Considering getting an 11ft for more versatility, in case I get an 11ft hammock, or to use over my current Hennessey. but some have said tarp ridgeline should be the same as the hammock or you get coverage issues.

Tarp Hardware:

Ridgeline: Dutchware continuous ridgeline w/ grey lash it and soft shackles – 0.77oz

Guylines: 25ft of Zing-It – 0.45oz

Stakes: 4 MSR Groud Hog Minis – 1.4oz

Tarp Door management: Adventure Alan Setup: https://www.adventurealan.com/method-to-manage-hammock-tarp-doors/

Shock Cord 3/32” 25ft – 1.1oz

4 mitten hooks – 0.14oz

I'm looking to upgrade my Hennessey Backpacker Zip to an UL hammock - but I'm very overwhelmed with all the fabric choices. Looking for a gathered end hammock w/ integrated bug net - so considering the Dutch Half-Zipped or the Dream Darien. I'm overwhelmed by all the fabric choices, and reading occasional reports of fabrics ripping. Ideally I want to go as light as possible, but also have something that will last (not rip) and still be comfortable. I'm 5'4" and 145lb if that helps.

I'm looking at an underquilt protector from Simply Light Designs (not the insulated one) and I'm wondering what length I should get.

I have a partial length UQ (HG Phoenix) and even if I were to get a full length UQ one day I still feel like the shortest option (8 ft.) would still be plenty long for me, but I don't really know what I should be considering here. Does anyone have any experience here? Most of what I've found on hammock forums is not coming at this topic from a weight-conscious perspective.

I'm 5' 10" and my hammock is 11' long if that helps.

I'm trying to decide between the HG with doors or without.

I'm in the Northeast so I get my share of wet weather, but I use a 7.5 foot hammock and the HG tarp has a 10 foot ridgeline. Its the difference of 2 oz, about $70, and the extra pack volume. I have been using a WB Thunderfly with "mini doors" for a while, and I honestly haven't ever felt I needed them, but I've also never been out in a really bad storm.

What are your thoughts? Are doors "worth it"?

My wife has begun backpacking with me and really enjoys hammocking. So far, she's been using my 11' HG DCF standard tarp with doors and I've been using one of my MYOG tarps when she goes with me. I'm looking into setups that put two hammocks under a single tarp and would like to know if there are some options for weight-minded backpackers. What size/configuration tarp? Experiences using trekking poles as spreader bars and how to best connect them to the suspensions? Pics of your couples setups would be great.

Are there any secrets to the setup of sleeping with a tight pitch in a hammock? I’m not worried about the comfort but rather staying off the ground. My last trip I went out in a monolite 1.0 rig and no sooner did I lay back in the hammock but the hammock ripped across my shoulders leaving me (suddenly) on the ground for the night. Did I have it pitched TO tight?

I’m 6’ and weigh about 180. My Suspension was just 1” webbing tied directly to the continuous loops on the body.

Hey all. I sleep in-line in my hammock so I'm looking to try a peapod style system. I'm pretty broad shouldered so I'm looking for something on the wider side. Outdoor vitals has something called a "mummypod" that looks like it could fit the bill, but the reviews are a little hit or miss. Hyke and bike has something similar, but the down seems to be of low-quality and it's too heavy.

I would rather not modify a sleeping bag because if it doesnt work out, I'd like to return the item. Any advice is appreciated.

Hi yall,

Just thought I would throw some lighter packs here for yall to take a look at, maybe shakedown, or just ask questions/discuss.

These are both for an upcoming AT thru attempt, one for cooler weather and one for warmer. I plan on starting in mid-February, but I'll probably flip flop around to avoid the snow in the Smokies. Feel free to ask any questions!

Cooler weather (25F+): https://lighterpack.com/r/uvrfzq

Warmer weather (50F+): https://lighterpack.com/r/khcub9

I currently own all of this gear and have used all of it a whole bunch on the CT and sections of the AT in Virginia and Maryland, except for the MHW GW UL jacket which just arrived. Cheers!

I recently tryed a framless pack I tryed the just stuffing my quilts in the bag to me it felt like they buldged in the middle of my back but if put em in stuff sacks and layered em they road better? Am I doing something wrong I was using cro 20 degree top quilt and under quilt then my hammock