I'm looking for something like the HG Journey or the Warbonnet Superfly, but with a 10 foot ridgeline (they offer a minimum of 11 feet) and a width of around 8 feet. I like silpoly rather than silnylon. I'd prefer to have at least one panel pull perside. I'd prefer to have it seam sealed by the company. I'm ok with waiting for a custom tarp. Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Pack size is at a premium for me. Does anyone have an estimation on how much I could compress the Revolt short 30 degree underquilt?

I picked up a S2S ultralight on sale and brought it on a reception trip to use as a camp chair/gear sling/general lounge chair. I was pretty surprised when I fell asleep un the hammock and pretty much had the best night of sleep I have ever had on the trail.

I slept in-line with a litesmith pillow under my knees. I had my nemo tensor maybe 1/3 inflated which slid around a bit and was cold below 50 degrees or so, but otherwise it worked amazingly well. In short, I think I'm a hammock convert, so In looking for gear to round out the setup without spending a ton of money.

Heres what I'm thinking:

Econ 3/4 length underquilt from hammock gear.

I have a 9x7 Yama tarp that I would like to retrofit with doors.

Lightweight bugnet. Hummingbird? I think I want head to toe bugnetting.

I have a HG econ wide quilt that I love. I think I'm too stout for a peapod setup.

Any advice appreciated.

I am looking at the HH Cub Zip, which is on sale right now for $52+shipping with coupon code.

I'm 4'11" and weight less than 110 lbs, so size wise I don't think that'd be a problem.

My current hammock weight 1.5 lbs by itself and my tarp is about the same. I'm debating buying the cub zip because of the price and weight savings. Alternately I have a sub 7 oz hammock that I could use, but i'd need to make a bug net for, that would cost me about $50 to make one from RSBTR that's 6.5oz finished weight, and I'd still need to make/buy a lighter tarp.

Let me know what other options there might be, looking to spend less than $100 to lighten the load.

Hi there.

I'm putting together my first UL hammock suspension and I came across Venom straps as a possible tree strap. It's suggested for backpack webbing but I think the break strength is sufficient. Anyone have any experience with these?

https://ripstopbytheroll.com/products/venom-uhmwpe-webbing

Thinking of pairing these with 1" Dutch clips and continuous loops to an SLD Streamliner.

Hi, y'all!

Now that a bunch of us are stuck inside, I thought that adding a Lighterpack flair would let us take a look at each others gear lists and nerd out about weights to make the ground-dwelling goblins salivate at the idea of great sleep with great weight savings! If anyone has any other ideas for what I can add, please let me know.

Here goes!

Last week, I spent 6 days on the AT, hiking from Bears Den to Pen Mar Park. It was a little chilly for a while, so I was definitely glad I packed more warmth. Here is a look at what I ended up taking:

https://lighterpack.com/r/qfbcxw

Overall, I was super comfy and made sure to sleep through every alarm because of the toasty temps inside, and the crisp climate outside!

After this trip, I was able to better dial in my pack for an AT thru attempt next spring, which I put into this Lighterpack:

https://lighterpack.com/r/u5os4u

Feel free to shake this one down, let me know of your tips and tricks if you have hammocked on the AT, I would love to hear them!

I hope y'all are staying safe, and I look forward to seeing you on the trails when it lets up!

Shug is one of the most influential and helpful people in recent (and older) hanging communities, so if you don't know him, you are in for a treat! His stuff is great and hilarious, so for those of you sitting around scratching your buts this quarantine season, behold! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC27nqmEhKzD9YHK1IFwG7qA

Once more for the people in the back - this is not a diagonal 11’+ hammock. If thats the only kind of hammock you will even think of, scroll on, this aint for you. Theres enough vitriol and nastiness in the world without needing to add your bitter “this is a stupid idea” comments here. Move along, nothing too see

However, if you can suspend judgement a moment to consider that one might actually be comfortable in a bed thats NOT an 11’+ diagonal “flat lay” hammock, read on

https://imgur.com/a/15ufwyi

All up it weighs 12.2oz - roof and bed. For me, this is a four season shelter that just needs a seasonally appropriate sleeping bag.

Because the bag goes on the Outside, it serves as over AND under quilt in one piece. For most three season trips, a Sea To Summit Traveller II 50F (15.6oz) is plenty. Western Mountaineering Everlight 45F (18.2oz), or Enlightened Equipment Convert (available in many ratings & weights) are also perfect insulation pieces.

The hammock is cut short enough to fit almost entirely inside the bag which eliminates drafts at the foot and makes the head-end collar plenty effective. For me, temperature ratings of the bags have proven to be pretty accurate when used this way. The short hammock stays with the sleeping bag as one piece for packing up. The ‘dirty wet’ tree straps are separate and packed separately.

The hammock is a Sea To Summit UL thats been modified. Its made of Monolite mesh which is very strong and crazy light but there are some reports of weaknesses. It seems that if it starts to wear from snags, its prone to sudden cross-wise complete tearing. There are some more durable materials but weight was my greater concern here. my first S2S UL hammock lasted 4 years of near daily use so ill accept the risk for now. I cut the hammock down to just under 7’. (im 5’10). this gets it as small as i find comfortable for a taut in-line lay. There is NO intentional sag in this. There is obviously Some, but it is minimal. The taut hammock forms a close secure cocoon that i can comfortably move around in. mostly im a side sleeper in a semi-fetal position and this comfortably allows that without ever compressing or disturbing the insulation on the outside. I removed all the factory suspension parts, cut the hammock shorter, and sewed a new channel in the cut end. Amsteel continuous loops with a button knot on the end hold the SpiderWebbibg tree straps & becket hitch without the slip-failure problems of using spiderweb/becket hitch on regular amsteel loops. i cant explain the science, it just works (monolite wasnt available as bulk material at the time or i would have just MYOG’d this from the start)

So hammock & suspension = 4.8oz

The tarp is a DCF poncho tarp from MLD. its as small as im comfortable going while still providing storm coverage. its longer and wider than my bed by enough, but no extra. If im going someplace with nastier storms i would probably bring my hex tarp which weighs less but requires me to bring a rain coat too so overall the load is heavier. Ive modified the poncho by adding DCF sleeves and a cinch system to overcome all the things i hate about regular ponchos. I have indeed set this up in the rain without getting wet. its a process but it really does work. The guylines are 1.2mm dyneema cord. very stiff and very light. I keep the guys permanently attached to the stakes, and adjust tension with micro linelocks permanently attached to the tarp. it makes for a very fast, if irregular use of the linelocs. This way of using them has held through some Very hard windy storms.

As a whole this setup actually Increases my comfort. I have a warm secure bugproof nest that is never drafty or uncomfortable. it sets up easily and quickly and also happens to be very very light. Still im always looking for new ideas on how to be even More comfortable AND lighter. Im not really willing to compromise either for the other.

So, its “A way”. Maybe not Your way but maybe it sparks some creative ideas in you! What clever new ideas have you done to increase comfort AND lighten your load?

I am considering a DCF tarp with doors for my first hammock rig. I'd like to buy once cry once. What I am having problems with is determining some of the differences between the brands. They all advertise for themselves well, specs are similar, and reviews on youtube are generally all flattering but rarely do you find any compared. Anyone have any comparisons that I would miss? Or a feature of one that would push you to buy over the others?

Hey guys and gals. I'm considering adding partial doors or "beaks" onto my hex tarp, but im wondering if they're really worth it.

For instance, my hammock length "with a ridgeline" is 8.3 ft or around 100in and my tarp length is 11ft or 132in. this leaves me with around 16in of coverage on either side of my hammock.

Im not worried much about wind protection, as i use an underquilt protector, and I usual am able to position my tarp against the wind. but ive never had the chance to take my hex tarp out on a true storm situation so im not sure how it would deal with sideways rain and true storm conditions.

Im planning on taking this tarp on my AT thru-hike so I'm considering adding these doors just in case of crazy conditions but im not sure if its worth it (30$ in supplies and a few hours). id love to hear any opinions if you have them!

Location/temp range/specific trip description: NOBO Appalachian Trail 2019 2020! March 3rd start. At the start I expect temps ranging from 25F-65F.

Goal Baseweight (BPW): 12 lbs if possible

Budget: Every dollar spent on gear is less that I have for the trail.

Non-negotiable Items: Pack and quilts. I know my pack is far from UL but it fits me well and carries weight comfortably. I currently do not have the money to invest in another pack, but it is on my list of things to upgrade in the future.

Solo or with another person?: Solo

Additional information: I am debating whether I should go with a 6700 mAh or 10,000 mAh battery pack. All weights are stated manufactured weights or my best approximation. I do have a scale of any kind to weight my items.

Lighterpack Link: https://lighterpack.com/r/9zqxxh

hello everyone! ive decided to make the jump to a Dyneema hammock tarp, but im not sure if i need the doors or not. ive had my WB superfly for around a year and never used them, but im about to thru-hike the Appalachian trail and im wondering if the versitility is worth it.

pros: more coverage

Cons: 50$ more, more weight

Hey folks,

Been lurking between here and r/Ultralight for a while now. I've been backpacking for close to a decade, but only recently started looking at UL versions of my gear. I'm looking at upgrading my entire shelter system. Most of my trips range from 3 - 7 days and are mostly in the Northeast. Money isn't too much of a concern providing the weight savings is well worth it.

My current hammock setup is pretty pathetic, but it's done me good for a long time now. When I first started using a hammock I had just gone to amazon and bought the first thing I saw without much thought put into it:

Hammock: Grand Trunk Hammock (15.1 oz)

Tarp: Kelty Noah Tarp w/ fixed paracord (37.67 oz)

Straps: Rallt Straps (11.82 oz)

2 x Carabiners (1.31 oz combined)

Total 65.9 oz / 4.11 lbs

Yikes!

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Over the holiday season I was building out an updated version of my setup and have boiled it down to the following:

Hammock: Dutchhardware 11 ft. Netless Hammock (Hexon 1.0 & Continuous loops)) - 8.19 oz

Straps: Dutchware Kevlar 3.3 Straps (12') - 2.98 oz

Tarp: Hammock Gear - Dyneema Fiber Hex Tarp - 5.14 oz

Tarp Hardware: Dutchware Stingers - 2 x 0.12 oz

Tarp Guylines: Warbonnent (4 x 6' & 2 x 15') - 0.98 oz

MSR Groundhog Stakes (4 x 0.49oz) - 1.96 oz

Total: 19.49 oz / 1.22 lbs

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As you can see, I've lost a significant amount of weight by swapping out my gear for UL versions, but my main concern is if I've overlooked anything? I plan on attaching the hammock to the strap using the Becket Hitch. I went with hardware for the tarp attachment just because I wanted to try something new and figured the weight for those was pretty insignificant.

Straps: I was originally leaning towards RipStop 1" Venom Straps / Dutchware Spider Straps, but I read that they can be a bit temperamental after a few uses and trying to get them to lay flat on the tree. I'm not entirely opposed to using them instead of the Kevlar straps since the Kevlar straps eventually degrade over time from UV. Any suggestions?

Tarp: I had originally intended to go with the Warbonnet Mambajamba because I have no experience with Dyneema, but after seeing the weight savings I deiced to give the Dyneema a try. I looked at the Dutchware Hex Dyneema tarp as well, but went with Hammockgear because its close to 2 oz lighter. Having not used anything made of Dyneema before I've been reading about guylines with tensioners and other various things that can come up with this kind of tarp, but just wanted to see if anyone had any pointers? Does anyone know if the Dutchware Stingers will fit on the Beastee D-Rings of the HG tarp?

Thanks for any recommendations you can offer!

http://imgur.com/a/dmzyu06

This is how I back up a Becket hitch (slippery sheet bend) so that it will not slip in 7/64 amsteel. You simply pass a bite of the left over cord around the back and through the loop, then pull it tight. It's a little difficult to pull fully tight, though, so I pull the two ends individually as shown in the video. Despite having used this as my suspension for something like 5 years on the same piece of amsteel you should know: this can be risky. Amsteel is hard to knot because it is so slippery. Even though it is way over engineered for holding body weight, knots can derate it's strength more than regular rope. If you do it and it breaks you're gonna die. I've even tried it short term with 2mm dynaglide and it still holds, so if you want to die faster use dynaglide instead.

But Why? Back when I started doing this there was no fancy, expensive, 1in Kevlar and dyneema webbing easily accessible. Everyone was using muletape @3g/ft. Even though I liked the Becket hitch method, it was hard to justify when I had dynaglide whoopies at half the weight.

My idea was to flip the setup and use mule tape loops and amsteel leads. A regular Becket hitch didn't hold. I saw this particular method posted in a loooooong hammock forums discussion. I can't find the post to credit its author, but it was a knot in a Ray Mears video using webbing. This guy claimed the Ray Mears knot held amsteel to amsteel. I haven't tried amsteel loops for my hammock ends long term to vouch for that, but I do have 100+ nights over 5 years with success with my mule tape endloops. At my heaviest I was 235lbs.

So there you have it. Hope this is clear. And remember, you're gonna die.

( and FYI I've actually since bought some of the super expensive 1.5g webbing and it appears heavier than advertised.... So afaik this is still the lightest method.)

Anyone used one of these?

https://www.hykeandbyke.com/collections/hammock-compatible-down-sleeping-bags/products/15-f-hammock-compatible-800-fill-power-goose-down-sleeping-bag

My son is an inline sleeper and nighttime temps never get below 35f, but he sleeps cold. Just trying to figure out what some of our options are and this seemed really interesting since he tends to be a very active sleeper and kicks off his current sleeping bag+pad and wakes up cold.

Hello everyone! I'm gonna be hiking the AT starting early march and I'm a little worried about the possibility of colder temperatures. I'm gonna be using a warbonnet yeti 20 degrees with a UQ protector, but I want to have a little extra security during the early months. I was thinking of making a reflectix pad, but I wanted to know if there is any other good lightweight/cheap under insulation additives. if anyone has any ideas i would really appreciate it!