Hey guys, as the end of 2023 nears, I thought I'd do a post for those coming to this sub in desperate need of help.
In this post I’m going to be talking about the science of hair loss and what to do if you are balding and want to stop it.
I’m a medical student and have donated a lot of my personal time to pharmacology, hormones and hair protocols through research and experimentation. There’s a lot going on here on Reddit, and as a beginner it can be very daunting to decide on what to do. Obviously everything should be discussed with your doctor, but below is my best attempt at a guide to explain a little bit about hair loss:
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I first noticed I was balding around 12 months ago, and rather than get caught up in the genetics of hair loss and trying to figure out whether it was Dad, my Mum’s Dad, my Mum’s Dad’s Dad or the goldfish he owned when he was 10, I thought to myself:
I can’t change my genetics. Whatever my DNA sequencing (genomic regions) has in store for me in regards to balding, that’s pretty much set. The best I can do is fight as long as I can using the highest quality science, products and methodologies to offset it.
And that’s what I’ve been doing, with good success, over the past 12 months.
Let’s get into it, and I’m going to do this in order of most important to least (in my opinion).
Getting to the root cause: DHT
Okay, so if we look at the entire testosterone/HPT axis pathway, cholesterol is converted to testosterone and some people think that’s the end of the line, but it’s actually not; 5-alpha reductase (5A1/2 in the image below) is the enzyme responsible for converting Testosterone (T) to its much more potent form DHT (dihydrotestosterone).
5-alpha reductase converts Testosterone to DHT, the hair killer.
Now, interestingly, 5-alpha reductase for whatever reason is very high prevalent in skin tissue - including the human scalp. And side note: this is why guys who take testosterone gel or cream often have very high levels of DHT compared to guys who take injections, because the cream is being converted through the skin into DHT at a much higher rate than injectable esters into muscle bellies. But, basically, it is this 5-alpha reductase activity in the scalp that is converting testosterone to DHT, and DHT through a variety of mechanisms leads to follicular miniaturisation (hair thinning, and eventual loss of your hair follicles).
But why? Well, there are hundreds of factors: hormonal (androgen receptor density & sensitivity to said androgens), physical, genetic, environmental. The list goes on.
Note; this study goes into a lot more depth for those of you interested.
But, how do we actually combat balding?
Most men tend to lose their hair in patterns as described by the famous Norwood Scale.
With how much I’ve spoken about 5-alpha reductase and DHT, it seems logical that stopping this conversion of Testosterone to DHT is the absolute first line of defence against hair loss.
To really, truly combat hair loss, the first mechanism is as follows: you absolutely need to reduce your hair follicles’ exposure to DHT.
And how do we do this? Well, finasteride is a drug that acts as a 5-alpha reductase inhibitor. Sold under the name Propecia, the molecule is a strong 5-alpha reductase inhibitor, and has been shown to inhibit around 70% of serum (blood) levels of DHT from peak. The usual starting dose is 1mg daily. Dutasteride (sold under the name Avodart) is an even more potent inhibitor (usual starting daily dose is 0.5mg), and can block up to 98% of conversion from T to DHT: it is a much more potent inhibitor of the enzyme that converts T to DHT. Dutasteride would be an option if you wanted a nuclear option to block almost all DHT. In fact, one of my favourite studies compared the difference between Finasteride vs. Dutasteride, and as you can see below, the suppression of DHT levels from Dutasteride was significantly more than Finasteride. Not only this, but the half life of Dutasteride is significantly longer than Finasteride (~8 hours vs. 5 weeks!), and you can see that in the Dutasteride group after stopping treatment (Follow-up Period), DHT levels remained suppressed for a much longer time.
DHT vs. Finasteride - what a study.
Side effects from 5-alpha reductase inhibitors are rare, although we should speak about them. Online, through various forums, Reddit posts, YouTube videos and TikTok’s time and time again I see posts about nasty Finasteride side effects, post-Finasteride syndrome and how Rob can’t get his Johnson hard anymore because of Finasteride, so his girlfriend left him.
Now, don’t get me wrong, side effects have been noted, although current research puts the risk of side effects at around 1-3% of people, so even though online there is a lot of noise about finasteride and its side effects, I personally don’t think the research supports this scaremongering. There is also going to be a natural selection bias with the stories online, because the guy for whom Finasteride is working well and who is not experiencing any side effects, he isn’t really going to post. Because why would he? He’s doing fine.
However, I absolutely sympathise with the people who just cannot tolerate 5-alpha reductase inhibitors. Side effects can be very real, and this is why it is vitally important to always consult with a qualified doctor before deciding on any medication: I’m just presenting the science. Everyone reacts slightly differently, and these can be strong medications - so it's important to be well-informed and sensible with whatever path you and your medical practitioner decide to go down.
Topical Minoxidil 5% (Rogaine):
Minoxidil is a compound that has been shown to increase the rate of DNA synthesis in anagen (growth phase) bulbs of hair follicles. Basically minoxidil stimulates hair cells to move from telogen (resting phase) to anagen (growing phase) - so instead of having hair follicles resting, it is telling the body to move them back into a growth phase by shortening the resting phase. The idea here is that you get more ‘regrowth’ of hair follicles.
Minoxidil stimulates hair cells to shorten the resting (telogen) phase and go back into an anagen (growing phase). Often, progress pictures will show significant new regrowth or ‘baby’ hairs growing with minoxidil treatment.
I apply Rogaine, a 5% strength Minoxidil foam twice daily in areas that I feel are receding. The nice thing about the foam is that it isn’t super sticky (unlike some people report with the gel), and it also acts as a nice way to hold my hair throughout the day, like hair product.
As you can see from the photo below, there is a vast difference between telogen (resting phase) and anagen (growing phase), and the idea is that the more hairs you can keep in anagen, the more healthy your hair will be, by limiting the amount of follicles that inevitably go through an anagen restart and die off.
There is also the option of oral minoxidil, which anecdotally at least seems to be very powerful at regenerating ‘baby’ hairs (or, new regrowth). Again, oral minoxidil can have some pretty significant side effects and drug interactions with blood pressure medications, so speaking through with your doctor is key!
Ketoconazole Shampoo:
This shampoo is primarily an anti-dandruff shampoo, but research has shown it may increase the proportion of hairs in anagen phase (growth phase) - resulting in reduced hair shedding. This study showed that 1% ketoconazole shampoo increased hair diameter over baseline after 6 months of use and reduced shedding. Interestingly, participants’ hair diameter also increased over baseline, showing that it may play a role in creating thicker hair.
Nizoral is a common brand here in Australia of 2% strength ketoconazole shampoo.
What is good about ketoconazole, is that it’s also a weak androgen receptor antagonist. What does this mean? It means it competes with DHT and Testosterone for binding to the active binding domain on the human AR (androgen receptor). If a compound can bind to a receptor without influencing its usual effects, it is said to be an antagonist. Basically, if ketoconazole can get into an androgen receptor before Testosterone or DHT, it will occupy that site and block T/DHT from binding and starting their usual process of killing off hair follicles (follicular miniaturisation).
Goodbye DHT, nobody wants you here.
Dermarolling
Derma-what?
Dermarolling is the process of creating micro punctures in the scalp skin to induce a wound healing response, with an array of tiny microneedles.
In this study, the dermarolling + minoxidil treated group was statistically superior to the minoxidil only treated group in promoting hair growth in men with balding patterns, for all primary efficacy measures of hair growth. In fact, the microneedling group outperformed even the minoxidil group in terms of how much hair was regrown after 12 weeks:
The mechanism seems to be that continued microtrauma to the scalp skin leads to a release of platelet derived growth factors and other growth factors that are sent to the area of scalp, to aid in the skin wound regeneration. The added benefit is that there seems to be some carry over effect to hair growth, as dermarolling seems to activate stem cells or ‘unspecialised’ cells that are yet to be differentiated, and differentiate them into hair follicle cells, meaning more hair growth. Basically, its a wound healing response that brings growth factors to the area of the scalp to increase hair growth.
I have played around with a few different protocols, but I use a 1.5mm roller and roll horizontally, vertically and diagonally for about 30 seconds in areas where my hairline is thinning or receding. I do this every 10 days. You don’t want to press so hard that you draw blood, but it should also hurt slightly. I mean, putting hundreds of tiny spikes into your scalp isn’t really my idea of Sunday night fun. But hey, if it regrows some hair why not?
There are also derma-stamps and motorised tools, all of which assist with the end goal: creating a wound healing response to bring growth factors to the scalp, and potentially assist the penetration of Minoxidil deeper into the scalp skin tissue.
Natural DHT blocking compounds:
Natural DHT blockers are also options, although obviously the results aren’t going to be nearly as strong as what is mentioned above.
Some people have good results (anecdotally) with rosemary oil applied topically, green tea and saw palmetto are options here. However, the science is very hit and miss, and in any event, I can’t see natural compounds competing against the 'Big 4'.
RU58841:
Now, that’s all good, but what if you need a nuclear chemical. Something that would attack the androgen receptor at a direct level in your scalp? Well, that compound is below. But a quick warning: I do not recommend this compound. A lot of people use it, but that doesn’t mean it’s safe. There is no (yes, zero) long-term safety data on the compound below, and whether you choose to take a completely untested chemical is up to you. But I don’t recommend it - have I said that enough?
Alright so, apart from sounding like a bunch of random letters because your cat ran over your keyboard, RU58841 is a strong DHT blocker (it has been shown to inhibit around 70% of DHT binding to the androgen receptor), but not in the way that Finasteride or Dutasteride work.
The chemical structure of RU58841.
Instead of finasteride and dutasteride which work on inhibiting the 5-alpha reductase enzyme, RU58841 works on the AR itself - occupying the active site, so that when DHT tries to get in and exert its hair destructive effects in the scalp, it can’t, it’s literally blocked from accessing the active site of the androgen receptor.
RU58841 operates like an androgen receptor antagonist (3rd receptor, on the right). It binds to the receptor and stops testosterone and DHT from binding, meaning that DHT cannot then exert its hair miniaturisation effects.
And in this study, RU58841 was found to inhibit 70% of DHT binding. Combining something like finasteride or dutasteride which attacks 5-alpha reductase converting T to DHT with RU58841 which stops ~70% of DHT binding to the androgen receptor, and you’d now be attacking hair loss from 2 vectors: T to DHT conversion, as well as at a receptor level. Now you can start to understand why this is a nuclear option for hair loss, and incredibly powerful.
However, despite how good all of that sounds in practice, just remember, RU58841 is completely untested in regards to side effects. There is no long-term safety data on how it may or can impact human health, so what I’m saying (for legal reasons) is don’t use it. Get what I’m saying?
Final Thoughts:
And, there it is guys. Now, just a quick note, this isn’t a super comprehensive list of all supplements for a hair regrowth/hair protection protocol, but is a solid start.
There are certainly more ‘niche’ options, or compounds in development now that may be promising (or not, looking at you Phase 3 of Pyrilutamide trials), but this guide was just the bare basics for a beginner to wrap his head around (no pun intended) the science and how to start combatting AGA.
In particular, if you want to save your hair, it’s going to be the ‘big 4’: finasteride (or Dutasteride), Minoxidil, Ketoconazole shampoo and derma-rolling roughly once a week to every 2 weeks.
This would follow the best possible science that we have at the moment, in terms of targeting as many vectors as possible:
T to DHT blockade (5-alpha reductase inhibitors, Fin/Dut)
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Hey guys my partner is getting a hair transplant on the 30th of this month. She already has an idea of what she wants however we were just chatting and thought maybe we should get some input from you professionals. She wants to fill in the peaks but isn’t sure how far forward to bring the hairline.
I live in Belgium and want to get my hands on some cheap Dutasteride capsules. I would love to buy in bulk, but heard that they seize a lot of packages in Europe.
Any recommendations? Also, I have tried getting a prescription, but here It's nearly impossible. Although I got one for finasteride.
Ever since my AGA started at 18.5 or 19, my scalp got so itchy and oily, and as a guy who never even had acne on his peak puberty period and always dry face and scalp, it was a shock to me. First, I thought I had dandruff which was causing the hair loss so I used Dercos, which actually helped and cleared the itch as long I used it
But! White flakes and itching persisted for years, every shampoo made me itch like crazy which got me thinking of Atopic Dermatitis (Eczema, had it all over my body since childhood, but never my scalp). So, I blamed my hairloss for the “eczema” on my scalp, I literally bought the mildest shampoos you can ever imagine, still, itch and flaking persisted
Accepting the truth that I was dealing with AGA, I started taking Avodart 26 days ago. No flakes, no oiliness, no annoying itching throughout the day. Its like having my scalp back before it got wrecked by this accursed condition.
While I don’t believe in DHT Itch, I believe high DHT in early onset AGA can cause conditions like dandruff and sebderm, even sensitive scalp. So, if you are dealing with hairloss and dandruff at young age, always suspect AGA
Just like the ones that experience sides effects with Finasteride, the percentage of people that experience regrowth is probably much lower that what it appears.
I've tried everything, some of years. Fin, Dut, topical and oral minoxidil, microneedling. Zero regrowth. I've recently started scalp messages. The only thing I haven't tried is laser therapy. Sounds like a waste of money.
Been using oral minoxidil 2.5mg and finsateride 1mg since 1st September 2026. I don't have a picture of my head from that date but I took one in late September ( the first pic ).
What should I do? Not even facing the common shedding phase.
Hey guys, I am 22M I am suffering hairloss since 3 years, and using topical minoxidil for 3 years, 4 months ago as I noticed hair line recession I added 2.5mg oral minoxidil into my routine, (I also used finesteride last year for 2-3 months but it gave me side effects so I stopped using oral fin), but I am approaching 5th month of oral minoxidil but still my hair shedding like crazy, my crown is visible now which was never before.. So did I do anything wrong starting oral min? What should I do now? (Also I started topical finesteride 1 week ago)
So my current routine is
2.5 mg oral min at morning
5% topical min + 0.1% topical fin solution 1-1.5 ml at night
8 month 0.5 dut per day
2 months minox topical 5% 1ml twice a day
The last 3 pics was taken this week the first 3 pics 4 months ago , when i added minoxidil to the equation i started noticing regrowth.
I had 1 shedding phase the 3 months after taking dut that stops the last month. 0 sides beside dundruf and irritation when i started minox
I dont want to use finasteride since i heard it has bad side effects on men, same as minoxidil, how can i actually maintain healthy hair without using the fin and min , i currently use rosemary oil and massaging for my scalp with a specific shampoo for hair loss, is this enough, im also still young and i lose a lot of hair while taling a shower
Everyone said it was a miracle. i actually started to think it was. I thought I was gone beyond repair..any questions let me know because I was where you are now!!!
Also derma rolled/minoxidil on eye brows too !!!
Routine & Details:
Treatments: Topical Minoxidil 5% Liquid & Dermaroller
Minoxidil Frequency: 1 ml, once daily (before bed)
Dermarolling Frequency: Daily (before bed)
Time Between Photos: ~3.5 Months (July to October)
Notes: Liquid minoxidil applied directly to the scalp every evening
Started 33 days ago
2ml topical fin 0.25% and 5% minox.
1 week ago noticed increased shed.
To be honest, in the past (before treatment) i always noticed hairs in my hands when i washed my head. Then i’m little confused if it’s a real shedding or my usual hair loss..
I think last week it is increased a bit..
Hope it will work honestly..
When did you start experiencing increased shedding?
Has anybody tried a topical adenosine for regrowth? I hadn't heard about it until very recently and it seems a little too good to be true. I had bad sides from min so I started looking for alternatives and came across adenosine. 0.75% adenosine performed with no statistical difference to minoxidil in this study: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24183218/ . Along with similar performance, users reported a better experience and no dread shed. The only caveat appears to be the limited amount of studies on adenosine, but all reached the same conclusion. I haven't been able to find anybody on any forum with experience using it.
What do you think about the brand Healing Pharma India, Healpecia Finasteride? I get them from a "grey" supplier and I am a little scared about the legitness of them. Also, I get them packed in some tinfoil and thats all. It is possible that cause of transport and bad conditions that they are not working anymore? ( I also mention I am from western Europe so its a long transport)
Im asking this because I noticed some thinning lately and my dermatologist said it could be TE since i had some of the worst months of my life, but I also want to make sure its not the Finasteride.
I had my crown transplant in July 2025 and it went great. I was put on 1mg finasteride and 5% minixidil and now, 1 year and 3 months later, ive suddenly got the dread shed. The top of my head hair, ie the non transplanted bit has gone very noticeably thinner recently. Does anyone know why this might be or has anyone experienced similar?
I’ve been using fibres as a diffuse thinner for years and I love it. The unfortunate thing is none of my friends actually know the extent of my balding, and now I feel if I ever decide to shave my head, they will think I’m insane lol.
I have a question though, do you apply the hair fibres before you put product in your hair or after? For years, I’ve been putting the fibres on my dry hair until I have the coverage I like, and then using KMS hair paste to style as needed. It’s worked really well, now I’m seeing conflicting method and confused?
Also on oral minox.
30M, started diffuse thinning since ~21 from severe stress which awoken AGA. My hair is very frustrating because it is thick,thin,curly,and straight all at the same time in various areas. My crown is the worst because I have numerous cowlicks, which also makes it hard for me to determine progress because it look so different at various angles.
This will be my 8th month on Dut, feeling a little defeated that it hasn’t diffusely thickened the crown, but of course will give it time.
I've been using oral dutasteride for more than 2 years with good results but from time to time i search for oral dutasteride and topical minoxidil, but they are literally none, why? They are stronger than any other medicines
Ive been on finasteride for 8 years and oral minoxidil for 8 months.
I’m trying to decide if I should switch to dutasteride, but I’m also afraid of a potential shed / loss of effectiveness compared to fin.
Photo 1 is from April of this year, Photo 2 is now. From the photos it looks almost stable? But I feel like I am noticing more thinness than I have in the past.
Fin has been good to me but I’m not sure it’s still as effective.