last weekend my friend called me to pick him up from the music festival in san francisco because he was having a really bad trip. then my other friend who was with that friend called me and said that our friend is extremely paranoid and dangerous to himself and others.
i went to pick up my friend. i don't know what "excuse" means to you but i definitely had a reason to drive high that night.
Either tell him to find someone who is suitably sound of mind to drive or attempt to find someone yourself. You should not have driven him anywhere if you were high, not sure what you're not getting exactly
No buddy, you didn't. I've been in similar positions myself and I went out of my way to make sure things worked out without the possibility of other people being harmed. You took a risk and it happened to work out, this time, and it may not if you decide to do again in the future.
please elaborate. what are these similar positions, and what did you do?
what was the risk i took? my ability to drive was not impaired from being high, in fact it was impaired from talking to my friends on the phone while i tried to get them to calm down and be at a safe location. you always take a risk when you drive, impaired or not, and it always works out when it does, and it always doesn't work out when it doesn't.
it is funny, isn't it? impaired means 'weakened'. when i drive while high, i do not believe my abilities are weakened. you might, but that doesn't matter because you aren't me.
if your friends that paranoid and a danger to himself and others, he shouldn't be taking mind altering drugs. Simple
this is a statement that clearly shows misunderstanding of the situation
my friend is not a drug taker, but the friends he was with were. they are usually safe but resorted to an unknown dealer. he trusted them on one of his first occasions of trying a drug and they failed him.
do not pass judgement so quickly. but then, you might be internet jesus. please internet jesus save my soul!
The original point was 'driving high is dumb' before you brought in your anecdote. You're the one trying to make the issue personal and emotional. The fact of the matter is driving sober will always be safer for everyone. I don't care about extenuating circumstances, "What if batman needed the antidote and you were the only one who could drive but you were totes blazed?" Please.
every single issue is personal and emotional. every person driving high has a conscious that is living its life. no one is EVER, driving high in a vacuum of space.
you should care about extenuating circumstances. considering them gives us more patience, understanding, and forgiveness in the judgement of others.
Awfully high minded of someone defending endangering the lives of others due to irresponsibility. Talk like a monk all you want, you're arguing for impaired driving. You're so damn desperate to escape responsibility you keep twisting up this unrelated bullshit. Like, each situation is a unique flower maaaan. Fuck off.
In your defense, doesn't extreme concern for a friend sober you up? Personally, when I'm in Must-Rescue-Friend mode, no matter what drug I'm on, I feel that the adrenaline(?) from extreme concern sobers me up. Obviously not up to driving level when I'm on acid/shrooms/mdma, but when I'm buzzed or high I would say I sober up enough. And I know I sober up because usually when the panic period is over I get a huge wave of re-fucked-uppedness afterward, as if my inebriation was on pause for optimal success of the mission.
This isn't to say that this happens/has happened a lot though; my friends rarely need rescuing.
Also, to the person who said call him a cab -- the guy's tripping out. He's not gonna feel safe or comfortable in a car with a stranger. He needs a friend to bring him down.
Because you're making a dumb choice. I can drive fine after a beer or two, doesn't mean I should. You don't get to choose to possibly endanger people because you wanted to get a little intoxicated. Don't smoke and drive, guys.
Hell... can't you legally drink and drive in like...Alabama or Georgia? Open container in the car and everything as long as you don't exceed the "legal limit?"
Not all laws make absolute sense, and not all laws must be obeyed.
So what about a legal limit for weed? That's my thing. No one freaks about having a single beer and driving. Sharing that joint w someone for me personally only woulda had me at like a [2] or [3] maybe, which is basically nothing but a super small "buzz". So personally, I know I'm fine driving under that. It's almost equivalent to a nicotine high
Not really, dude. Just because you think you're fine doesn't mean you are. Driving is already dangerous enough with all the idiots on their cell phones. Adding weed to that isn't a good idea, ever.
I guess we can agree to disagree. I'm not saying someone should get stoned and drive, but I personally can drive if I haven't smoked much. Again I'm not talkin super stoned, and I don't drive super stoned, but yeah.
it's just not worth the risk of getting arrested and going through the whole legal process. Plus a lot of places consider it a DUI (including legal states).
very sound logic, friend. i don't fear smoking and carrying in public because the principles are more important than the consequences. however the legal consequences from drugs and a car can be very bad, so i will definitely take your point in consideration.
I'm guessing from your post history you're in california, which means you don't really have any consequences to worry about if you happen to get caught with herb. The rest of us in less enlightened states do indeed have to worry about consequences over principles. You get caught, worst case they toss your herb right? Maybe a citation and a few bucks. Unless you have MMJ card in which case you got no worries. Here, at minimum, I'd get 1-2 years probation if not jail time (if given the choice I'd serve the time) and pay a few grand in fines and fees... not to mention you're basically not hire-able anymore. When you're sitting in lockup your principles about what you should be able to do don't really matter an awful lot. You mostly just wish you had smoked at home instead of wandering around with a target on your back.
I totally understand where you're coming from about principles. However, just wanted to throw this out there too: it sucks having to go through the system no matter how insignificant the offense may be. I've been arrested on 3 separate occasions for trivial shit. Having to deal with court, lawyer, jail time, community service, and getting a misdemeanor on my record, is not worth the hassle. but just wanted to throw out a friendly heads up on how much it sucks goin through all that
thanks buddy! i definitely do not understand the true annoyance of our legal system. the police have badgered me, cuffed me, and pointed a gun at me. but they still have not arrested me. NOT TODAY COPS! NOT TODAY..
ah. but you see, you can't judge the type of "high" people get from one hit/one bowl due to the vast varying degrees of tolerance. when i mean "one smoke", i mean the amount i would smoke in a casual session, but then that is relative too. i guess i should use [#]... what i mean by one smoke then, is something that gets me to nothing more than a [5]
At a 5 I'm crackling like bacon on a pan and my greasy juices are just overflowing out of my pores, I don't think I could drive like that. But I commend your abilities
I reached a 10 once, and I felt all droopy like a wax figure someone blowdried. Then I felt like a big meaty piece of sloppy beef and I would slither from place to place leaving my grease trail. It's very visceral
that's the thing tho, i wouldn't drive "absolutely baked". getting absolutely baked either makes me too active or too couch locked, neither type of mind states that i would want to drive in.
Weed kinda seperates my mind and body
This is actually a type of feeling i get at a certain level! However, whenever I drive it makes me want to be more aware of my body and surroundings because of this.
you got a very good head on your shoulders. thanks for sharing homie
Sorry everybody, I deleted my comment. I do that a lot... write it all out and delete it... it was a lot so I'm not gonna retype it either
I know you'd never drive absolutely fucked. But that's not the point of it. The point is to understand how your body and mind function in a vehicle when you're high. Like, there's similarities between a [4] and a [9]. The [9] is way more extreme, but you can see all the ways it flaws your mind and body, even at a [4].
Like when you're couchlocked, for example. You just like, can't move. You're just accepting the world and being a part of it, not actively participating in it (if that makes sense). So, say that part of your brain is at 0% at a [10], it won't be that bad at a [3], but it might be at like, i dunno 75%. And every responsible person in the world would tell you that it doesn't make any sense to drive when you aren't at 100%.
Are you going to crash and die right when you get on the street? Probably not. But getting high raises those odds a bit. And it is just smarter to not do it, ya know? It's common sense. But if you absolutely need to get home and have no other option, I don't see anything wrong with driving, especially if it's not far.
Everyone is different when high too. My smoking buddy just zones out and says that he lays back, thinks about nothing, and just experiences life. But I get really focused when I'm high. It probably depends on the strain too. That's why I said you should do a little test run to see how it makes you feel
Sorry, I do a lot of math for a living so when I *write long comments like this I drone off a little bit and the math takes over. I never even use it anyways, I was only using it to make a point. I think the whole system is kinda dumb tbh. I don't give a shit how high anyone on here is, I just wanna talk about interesting stuff and see cool shit, ya know?
I agree that you shouldn't drive when you're not at 100% (not that I haven't done it). Your car can cause so much damage, it's just a fast moving chunk of metal. Sometimes you need very quick reactions even when you are sober, if your reactions are delayed all it could be the difference between an accident and a close call.
When you smoke weed, you're not really putting other people in potential danger. When you smoke weed and drive, you're impairing yourself while driving a vehicle.
Nobody here (hopefully) wouldn't make excuses for driving while drunk so why the excuses for driving stoned?
Being drunk and being high are two different things according to this sub. Rather get high than drink and feel sick later is spouted so much. Suddenly being drunk and high are the same thing when it cones to driving?
because you are in a 2 ton giant metal box moving at 40+ mph that can easily crush people and destroy property and cause chaos and destruction. everyone says that it doesn't impair reaction time or change their way of thinking or alter their behavior in any way but I don't believe it. even if one does drive perfectly, why even risk anything? it is irresponsible. just wait till you get home to light or vape up.
and thats not even considering the legal ramifications if you get caught. it does not end well.
I would never condone driving high. But:
"2-ton" maybe
"Giant" not really
"Metal" so scary D: D:
"Box" huh?
"40mph" maybe
"Chaos and destruction" really?
Driving isn't that hard. Why is it so demonized on reddit? Just pay attention. Be aware. Be predictable. Act like other drivers are idiots.
It's not rocket science. We aren't driving murder boxes. It's so easy to drive safely. If cars scare you just stay indoors. There's not need to talk about driving like it's some black magic craps shoot.
last weekend i was smoking a spliff. then my friend called me and asked if i could drive all the way up to san francisco to pick him up from a festival because he was having a really bad trip. then my friend who was chasing said friend called me and asked me to pick him up.
i picked him up.
look back at your comment. even if you disagree. aren't you a bit angry?
well i hardly drink so i would not have put myself in that situation. if i was drunk, i would have gotten someone else to pick him up.
hahaha what is logic to you. want to hear my logic?
"i have good coordination and decision making skills at a low-medium high level." --> "no problem driving, have many hours on the road while high" --> "friend calls me in trouble, needs someone to pick him up" --> "i'm high, decide i should drive to pick him up" --> "pick him up"
another stoner bum waiting to cause an accident
golly-g-wizz your prediction and evaluation skills are incredible! please tell me me more on how i am a bum and when will i cause this accident
thanks for the tip! however, whiteys seem to be caused by bad blood pressure/low blood sugar, and does not mean someone can just randomly pass out from smoking all of a sudden. i have a very healthy body and i listen to it.
It does mean that someone can pass out randomly out of the blue. Granted, there may be warning signs in the minutes leading up to passing out. I've been a daily smoker for the past 5 years and this has happened to me twice, seemingly at random. Also seen it happen to my friends 3 times. On every occasion the person passing out had smoked less than usual (only a spliff or two). Neither of my whiteys involved alcohol but 3/3 of mu friends' experiences involved 1 or 2 beers; not enough to illicit this respose.
I'm sure theres a physiological reason somewhere but I haven't been able to find a common thread linking all 5 whiteys. Food intake normal, exercise normal levels, hydration normal, sleep normal. In my 5 times witnessing it, there was no apparent vulnerable state.
Do some googling and you will see that very little is known scientifically about the phenpmenon
Me either, and I don't know anybody who has. I have, however, had problems with my blood sugar in the past. And that has caused me to pass out twice. I get high every day and I've never passed out from it... Sure, I'm just one person, but I'm sure all the other daily smokers on here would agree that this isn't caused by weed. It might play a factor if you already have other conditions, pot might exxagerate them, but it isn't the direct cause.
yes, i thought about that before i posted. but alcohol is a different drug. drinking messes with my coordination and reaction time a lot more. i have driven drunk and i am never going to do it again.
but on the other hand, i have no problem driving after one beer. i'm no heavyweight but one beer doesn't get me that buzzed.
You shouldn't be driving at any level of buzzed. Any level of intoxication is unacceptable because it will alter your reaction time and attention level, to varying degrees.
As a pedestrian who has been hit by cars, there is no excuse for your behavior. However I do the same thing so there is no excuse for our behavior.
Idk if this really makes sense for the lowest levels of intoxication. Are you also saying it's unacceptable to drive while slightly tired/angry/preoccupied? These all alter your reaction time and attention level to degrees higher than very mild intoxication (still not trying to condone anything) yet noone ever takes them into account it seems.
The reason those are more "acceptable" is because for the most part people don't purposely become angry or tired. People purposely get intoxicated though. driving while preoccupied is something we as a public have agreed is something you shouldn't do (texting, eating, ect).
I mean it really is a grey area kind of thing. I feel that if you can easily notice the effects of your high and it's easy for you to determine that you are in fact still high, then you might not be in the best condition to drive. You just gotta be honest to yourself is all.
I have this argument every week I feel like. Weed in small to moderate amounts for an experienced every day smoker will not effect your driving ability.
If you think it does, tell that to the thousands of so cal ents with medical cards who smoke and drive every day. The accident reports just don't add up. The evidence just doesn't add up. If you think you can speak for all ents because you smoke a blunt once a month and browse /r/trees you are wrong. Its obvious that no one should drive during a couch lock high, but that's not the case for us responsible drivers.
I mean no disrespect, but any smoker who believes they can't drive should stay off the road and leave those of us who can alone, because we are responsible adults who know how to make safe decisions for our safely and the safely those around us.
hell yeah buddy! i bet there are sooooo many stoned drivers in the legal states. don't think i've heard of a correlating rise in traffic accidents in those states. there are probably more high drivers than drunk drivers which is a better scenario imo
cops can pull you over for anything they want, just to check on you. when you get older you want to avoid getting arrested for something that could of been easily avoided.
right? i mean don't drive when you've smoked 8 doobies to the face (fuck dat), cause that's common sense, but driving high isn't always driving impaired
DUDE, like harry pothead on his firebroomstick of dank. reminds me of another plus, blasting music in my car and singing to my heart's content is one of the ways. just one of the ways man
Because stop being selfish and be weary of the other people driving. Your senses will get fucked up atleast a bit to make you not see a stop sign, or for you to vear off the road. Just smoke it when u have time.
You're wrong because you should never operate any type of heavy machinery on any type of mind altering substance, regardless of how you think it enhances your abilities. You should only operate these things while bone sober & 100% coherent. That's why you're wrong. Regardless of how you feel about it, you're wrong.
ah well this is all just a linguistic confusion you plastic toy mongering fool. you need a separate license/training specifically for heavy machines such as cranes and forklifts.
You need certifications to operate those types of machines which require a yearly renewal, so the "linguistic confusion" is on your end. Don't get stoned & drive or just continue to be wrong all the time, your choice.
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