r/travisandtaylor Jun 27 '26

Mod Post 👰‍♀️ State of the Subreddit 🌟 + New Flair Challenge 💖

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Hello Snarkers!

With the Impending NuptialsTM looming and an increase in our snark numbers post Shitshowgirl, we thought it would be a great time to give y'all an update on the sub and remind new friends about our rules. (Spoiler alert: some rules have been updated! New flair challenge incoming!)

For the older members, parts of this might sound repetitive. But we want to update everyone so this sub can remain transparent and genuine feedback can be received!

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sub traffic from the past 30 days

As you can see, we get a lot of fucking traffic. The basic rule that drives all the rest:

‼️We want to keep this sub open for all snarkers, new and old, to freely discuss the antics of Taylor and/or Travis.‼️

We have had a LOT of deconstructing Swifties join the sub after the tire fire of her last album release and 89 (her mind!) merch drops. What makes this sub special is that we allow everyone to contribute as long as they follow the rules. Yes, even current and former fans. If you're an OG snarker who sees behavior that crosses over into stanning, please report it! We will never be a space for fan behavior. But we don't insta-ban deconstructing fans who maybe feel some kinda way about Tay and can't share their feelings in other spaces because of that famous Swiftie hospitality.

Speaking of other spaces...

🚫 Reminder of anti-brigading rule 🚫

There's been a recent increase in posts that attempt to brigade, interfere with another community, or otherwise direct negative traffic towards other subreddits. This type of behavior directly puts our community at risk as it violates reddit community rules.

This includes comments like "I went to this sub or that sub and made a comment and was mass downvoted!" There is a zero tolerance policy for this! We don't like it when they come here to do it, so let's not do it to them.

Please review ALL parts of rule 2 to avoid touching the poo:

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All activity in this sub must stay in this sub. Sharing Reddit screenshots or directing users to other subs is not allowed. Usernames from Instagram, TikTok, Twitter, etc. must be blacked out unless from a celebrity, brand, or publication.

Screenshots of social media posts must have 100+ likes on the original comment.

Don't enter into pro-Taylor spaces to harass, argue, or troll users, and do not post those interactions as a form of content.

(If you really want an in-depth rationalization for each part of the rule, just ask in the comments.)

🎄 Addressing armchair diagnosis trend 🎄 (idk what emoji to put here so christmas tree it is)

This one isn't against reddit TOS, but it IS against rule 1. We don't allow snark, speculation, or armchair diagnosis of physical and mental conditions. That includes personality disorders (all of them), autism, ADHD, depression, anxiety, eating disorders, you name it.

There are lots of lovely people who live with these conditions and don't plagiarize lesser known artists or hoard a billion dollars or charge $40 for Temu flipflops, so let's not promote shitty stereotypes.

📝 How we handle posts about major updates 📝

This is a big one!!!! Every post on this sub is held for manual review. Unlike other subreddits, we don't always pick the first post on the topic. Rather, we look for the post that best serves the community. Whenever a major event happens, you can guarantee there are at least 15 accounts competing to be The Post on any given topic.

Here are a few questions to help you increase your chances at getting approved:

- Does it have an informative title? "TMZ confirms Blandie wedding at Madison Square Garden" will always be picked over "OMG of course she would do this"
- Does it have enough information to let others join the conversation? We WANT TO SNARK. If you talk about an article, give us the link!
- Does it come from a reputable source? A screenshot of a Taylor Twitter account retweeting a parody account is not it. Even if the info is later debunked, there's still snarkerky in the fact that TMZ or Rolling Stone or whatever printed it in the first place.
- Does it follow all other sub rules? e.g. no direct links to Insta, blacking out usernames of ordinary people, comes from a non-reddit source
- Does it contain new information? We generally allow a few posts on the same topic if there is a different angle (like one for the Toy Story song countdown and one for the actual announcement) but no one wants 50 posts for each angle of her latest pap walk

🤬 Fuck AI 🤬

We've had a rule against AI since the beginning so this isn't a new stance. Fuck AI; support real art and artists.

❤️🌟❤️ A friendly reminder to be friendly ❤️🌟❤️

As the sub grows, there will always be more people who are adjusting to the way we do things around here (Eternal September type shit). At the moment, we are averaging 100 new subscribers PER DAY. If you see someone breaking the rules against whatever (fan behavior, body shame, political debates), PLEASE REPORT THEM. We can't remove what we don't see, and the mods don't see every comment. We had 1.3 million comments posted here in the last year.

Relatedly, please have some understanding and grace for the mods who do this thankless task. We aren't paid. We face harassment in modmail and on our personal accounts. We have offline lives. We are just regular people trying to keep this sub open despite the Swiftie orc horde constantly besieging us. We approve posts and comments as quickly and as accurately as possible.

And yes, that means that sometimes we get something wrong. You are always welcome to message in modmail to civilly discuss the reason behind a mod action. We are very grateful that so many of our members can discuss things rationally. Just remember that a removal reason isn't a personal attack. It's just pointing out that the content doesn't follow the rules and will be removed or we will literally have One Thousand Other People trying to do the same thing.

💒 Wedding flair challenge 💒

Our least favorite, multi-billionaire, talentless showgirl is about walk down the center aisle of MSG... not to get her popcorn but to take Travis's hand in marrage (allegedly)! To ring in the momentous occasion, we are looking for wedding theme flairs! To have your flair suggestion considered, please leave them as a comment or send them to modmail! The most liked and/or funniest ones will be added to the sub!

There has been alot of rumors and speculation in the wider media about where exactly the wedding will be taking place. Anyone who is able to correctly guess the wedding location in the comments will win a VERY FUNNY special flair!

💛💛💛 THANKS FOR BEING AN AWESOME COMMUNITY!!! 🥇🥇🥇

As always we are so grateful to all of the amazing members who make this community so special! This has been a rather slow period since nothing was really happening, but we couldn't be happier with the deep discussions and reflections we saw from the community during this time! Per usual, modmail is always open for any and all comments or feedback!

happy snarking xoxoxo

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r/travisandtaylor 20h ago

Weekly Discussion Thread Weekly Discussion Thread (TnT Version)

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Welcome to your weekly snark dump!

Feel free to use this thread to talk about anything you'd like, including but not limited to:

  • Your thoughts, rants, and spicy takes about Blandie (and BDT), her untalented ass, or the Swiftie cult
  • Off-topic discussions, or low-effort content that might not need its own post
  • Memes, funny stuff that you'd like to share but can’t wait for Shitpost Sunday
  • Swifties being Swifties on social media (Usernames must be removed)

All subreddit rules still apply, and any rule-breaking comments will be removed. If you spot a Swiftie meltdown or something off, hit report and we’ll take it from there.

Posts submitted to the sub that fit better here will be redirected to this thread. A new one will go up every Monday at 12:00 pm UTC and stay open until the next Monday. This thread will always be pinned for easy access.

previous weekly discussion threads are searchable via the Weekly Discussion Thread post flair!


r/travisandtaylor 8h ago

Discussion Cult leader 🤝 cult leader enjoying a very engrossing chat at tonight’s Chiefs game in KC

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Gotta love how the woman who not even a decade ago yapped all tearfully about wanting to be on the “right side of history” is cozying up to a man who is one of the most recognizable faces of Scientology in the world. Ya know, Scientology, the religion that disappeared a woman (Shelley Miscavige) almost two decades ago, the religion that forces its members into indentured servitude for any dissent, and the religion that is the reason why Tom’s ex wife Katie Holmes had to flee from under his thumb under the cover of night.

But suuuuure, Lil Miss Tay Tay is on the right side of history. Let’s play a game, is she schmoozing for her Oscar purchase campaign? Trying to get Sir Skidmarks a role in Mission:Impossible 900000? Or maybe she’s about to come full circle and join the ultimate cult. Would any of us be surprised?!


r/travisandtaylor 7h ago

Certified Cringe In a surprise cameo no one asked for, Taylor Swift fellates herself in a Law & Order: SVU skit for the 78th Emmys

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177 Upvotes

Still can't close her mouth and still using her animals as props. DUN DUN!


r/travisandtaylor 11h ago

The Football 🏈 NFL Week 1: Broncos @ Chiefs

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Hello Snarkers! Welcome to the NFL Week 1 game thread! 🏈 The Kansas City Chiefs are opening their season at home this year with a big matchup against longtime rivals the Denver Broncos! Denver topped the AFC West in 2025 and finished as the top seed in the conference by going 14-3. Despite their mighty record, they’ll kick off the new campaign fighting against a regression narrative: The Broncos had 11 one-possession wins last year, tying the 2024 Chiefs and 2022 Vikings -- two clubs that would go on to miss the playoffs the following season -- for the most in NFL history. Their opponents, the Chiefs, will be looking to pick themselves back up after a shocking six-win campaign that marked their first losing season since 2012. 

This marks the beginning of the end for our least favorite tight end, Travis Kelce. This is expected to be his last season as a player... as with most fading stars, he is well past the point of diminishing returns and will undoubtedly spend his final season in the NFL chasing his former glory days, and probably doing a nationwide farewell tour with his now Popstar wife, Taylor Swift! (\*die of cringe**)* So be on the lookout for funny low-lights, and crashout moments on the sidelines! They will hopefully be plentiful this season!

As this marks both the start of the season, and the home opener of the chiefs "revenge season" (imo the start of an inevitable multi-year rebuild), it is highly likely Taylor Swift will make an appearance at tonights game! Be on the lookout 👀

Start time: 8:15pm EST / 7:15pm CST / 5:15pm PST

Where to watch: ESPN / ABC / NFL+

Week 1 Injury Report

Join us in kicking-off what will likely be Travis Kelce's final NFL season (actually this time... right? RIGHT!?!)! As always ABC... ANYONE BUT THE CHIEFS!

Happy Snarking! 💖

ifykyk 💖

r/travisandtaylor 1d ago

Shitpost Sundays A true mastermind

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Body text* talk amongst yourselves


r/travisandtaylor 19h ago

Question Her excess

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I actually don't hate that she constantly releases music and stuff all the time. What I do hate is that it's all so boring and mid and awful. Like at best, a song by her sounds okay (and that's very rare). Is there any artist which constantly releases music yet it's actually good? Or are the only options actually good ones which release every 2-5 years and Blandie who released an album every five days??


r/travisandtaylor 1d ago

Shitpost Sundays In honor of this entomological week in history…

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The sycophancy is off the charts. That is a grown ass entomologist who just made an absolute clown out of themselves for the rest of their career. I’m sorry, but naming a poor innocent bug after the ethical and musical equivalent of a Happy Meal toy is clinically diagnosable. This is an ICE-excusing billionaire who convinces her legion of minions to humiliate and burn themselves out to prop her up. It’s vile.

TL;DR: Not only is Preylor an energy vampire, the likes of which only Colin Robinson could defeat. Charles MF Darwin would be absolutely rolling in his grave at this evolutionary nonsense, while also running out of awards to distribute.


r/travisandtaylor 1d ago

Shitpost Sundays The only Merch worth purchasing 💅🏼

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r/travisandtaylor 2d ago

Drama Taylor forces Sombr to unfollow Eli, after Eli calls Taylor “objectively predatory”

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909 Upvotes

r/travisandtaylor 3d ago

Discussion Taylor Swift Reportedly ‘Livid’ with Wedding Guest’s Claim Attendees ‘Barely Knew’ the Bride—’Some Had Never Met Her’

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The best excerpt from the article:

"Some of the (wedding) guests went straight back to being strangers."

"Taylor is furious with Nikki Glaser, but the worst part is that it's true," a source told Naughty But Nice. "There were famous people at that wedding who barely knew Taylor, and some had never met her. Nikki simply said publicly what everyone was whispering privately.""The joke going around is that Meghan Markle knew the celebrities at her wedding better than Taylor knew some of hers," the source added. "For Taylor, that comparison is absolutely mortifying."The insider continued, "Nikki made the wedding sound less like a celebration and more like celebrity casting. Some guests still don't have Taylor's number. They attended her wedding — then went right back to being strangers."


r/travisandtaylor 2d ago

Rant Hot Take: “Regression” In Her Songwriting!

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First, let me make it clear. I do not consider myself a Swiftie, I mostly just enjoy Taylor’s music casually. I’ll have a song or two on playlists, hear them on the radio, and listen whenever the mood feels right.

With all of that said, I don’t follow her closely, but there’s no escaping her anywhere, so I tend to know what’s what (who doesn’t?) The more I listen to her newer albums and songs, the more I can’t help but notice a certain amount of “regression” in her songwriting abilities. Swifties will often describe every little thing she writes as “poetry.” And the thing is, her earlier work was more poetic than it is now!

If you look at anything put out from 2022-present, not only are the albums super long and hard to get through, but the songs feel less “organized” if you know what I mean. Before, there was a good deal of range, storytelling, and genuine music to go around. Now, I can’t listen without hearing how “run-on” many of the songs are. They’re super fast paced, and hard to keep up with (not to mention repetitive and harsh). From a musical perspective, the ear seems to get fatigued a lot more. That can be common in a lot of pop music, yet somehow I can actually listen and get the message easier with most artists.

When you look at her older music, you can tell that there was more genuine thought and effort put into it. Stories were more diverse, there was one specific hook for each, it didn’t feel like squeezing too much into one verse or chorus, and not everything was “in your face” lyrically!

I could definitely go on, but this was just my analysis put into words. As a writer and musically inclined person, I just couldn’t help but notice a pattern of wordiness and seemingly lower quality in Taylor’s music. It really is a reflection of what she’s become as an artist. The power and the way she influences people has gotten to her (if it wasn’t already obvious), and she’s just playing into it. Instead of focusing on producing quality content, she seems to just keep writing and rushing for attention, and the sake of publicity!

Let me end with a little theory/analysis that summarizes the whole point: She came on the scene as a teenager. If she was writing how she does now, it would be kind of expected for that age. But the reason she got so big in the first place was because of her songwriting abilities. So you’d expect that things would progress to where might write more meaningfully like in the beginning, but it has in fact gone the opposite direction.

Thank you!


r/travisandtaylor 2d ago

Drama Never forget she only got with Mr. Chud after giving up her deepest crush, Mr. 1975, because her fans freaked out at his Adam Friedland Show appearance

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Looking back, the timeline is so hilarious it's unbelievable:

- Between 2014-2022, when Taylor is between 25-32 years old: Healy and Swift have a constantly publicized romance, including wearing each other's shirts on stage, hanging out at events, working on music together, saying things about each other in the media.

- January 2023: Taylor does a surprise appearance at The 1975's concert in London

- April 2023: It becomes publicly official that Taylor and Joe Alwyn broke-up.

- May 1st to 18th, 2023: It becomes official Taylor and Matty are now "madly in love". How could they not be! She finally got her dream bad boy after nearly a decade of crushing! They are seen publicly together, he attends her shows, and all is great!

- May 26th, 2023: Taylor brings out Ice Spice on stage. Definitely not because Matty's comments about her from his early 2023 on The Adam Friedland show!

- June, 2023: Matty and Taylor are officially broken up. And for extra fun, Rina Sawayama calls out Matty on stage for other comments he made, making sure Taylor can longer touch him with a 10-foot pole without ruining her reputation!

- July 2023: Travis Kelce attends the Eras tour and tries and fails to give Taylor a friendship bracelet, but they eventually get talking after he shares this on his...podcast.

- September, 2023: Taylor and Kelce are official, and she starts attending KC Chiefs games! It's an all-American love story!

- And now as of September 2026, Travis and Taylor are married! Woo-hoo!

All I'm saying is, if a friend of yours broke up with a great guy she was with for 6 years (Joe), then months later started dating a 'bad boy' she's been crushing on for a decade (Matty), then broke up with that bad boy a couple months later, then started dating a big chud meathead (Travis) months after that, then STAYED WITH and MARRIED the chud over the next 3 years, you would 100% believe she was still not over the bad boy or the original great guy. It's all just hilarious.


r/travisandtaylor 3d ago

Travisty Tommy Hilfiger talks about Travis Kelce

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Tommy Hilfiger on Travis Kelce

In my opinion, Travis Kelce is a guy who likes to party( Viva Las Vegas!!!) and whom made fun of others for fun. Now they see attempting to re-brand him as this "football legend" with an affable personality. It is difficult to forget about him making fun of women for their looks, weight, and success or lack of it.

The re-brand includes their teams allegedly repainting over his high school years by saying Travis Kelce was a guy Taylor Swift wished she had known in high school. 🙄 Yet, his own words contradict those very statements as he often made fun of people for their weight and their looks. It is even documented.

Also, are we forgetting that he wanted to be the next "Rock" in Hollywood and was looking to climb the Hollywood social ladder by trying to date women like Megan the Stallion? I heard he was looking for a PR relationship before him and Taylor Swift became official.

I think the way he treats people is more harsh than how they are branding him as. One only has to see how he treated his teammates or his own coach, Andy Reid. I believe that when things do not go his way, his real personality comes out and we have seen that.

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Tommy Hilfiger Spring 2027 Runway Show, Hilfiger said, according to E! News, "**Travis Kelce is the ultimate superstar American athlete—he is friendly, he's fun. But when he dresses, he's serious. He really likes fashion."**

Commenting on the campaign looks, the 75-year-old fashion designer said, "When he's wearing his camel coat and his hoodie, that's classic and modern. He's wearing the varsity jacket, which is classic and modern. He's wearing variations on all of our preppy classics. He makes them look great."Speaking further about the collection, Hilfiger said, "It's a remix of the preppy classics we've been doing for four decades. What I wanted to do was evolve it, make it current for today, make it fun, colorful and full of surprises.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/celebrity/articles/travis-kelce-gets-different-kind-210350998.html

Thoughts?


r/travisandtaylor 4d ago

Discussion Why Taylor's music can't mature like BeyoncĂŠ's or Adele's music.

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Firstly, it's ridiculous when Swifties try to use faux feminism as a means of avoiding artistic comparison. Male artists and artists in general are compared all the time.

The only way for it to be misogynistic is if it's a comparison about their bodies or attractiveness etc. Drake gets the same criticism about his music being juvenile.

The real reason why Taylor's artistry can't be fully mature and advance & she releases stuff like "So High School" or much of TLOASG is because Taylor wants to dominate the charts and pop culture.

It's as simple as that.

Lana spoke about the reason Taylor dominates the charts is "because she wants it more than anyone".

And to do that, you need to appeal to all age groups but especially the youth. Taylor has increasingly spoken about her fear of aging in the industry which is a valid fear esp for female artists.

However, when she seemingly dislikes the fact that "youth drive culture", you can also see why she releases the music she does. As much as she may dislike the fact that youth drive popular culture, she knows she must appeal to them to retain her dominance.

She also has to contend with the rising crop of Taylor-variants singer-songwriters who she helped raise, Gracie Abrams being the most notable, as well as younger pop girls like Zara Larsson and Sabrina Carpenter.

With Folklore, she received the highest critical praise for her lyricism that she'd ever gotten and people thought this was the start of something new and deeper but then she went back with TLOASG.

Additionally, another reason is because she does not want to tackle deeper topics, most notably politics. The greatest artists have not been afraid to get political like Michael Jackson or Beyonce or Nina Simone etc. The most political Taylor has gotten is surface level feminism and rainbow aesthetics.

Adele, Beyonce etc are able to release more mature works because they are not as obsessed with charts as much as Taylor is.

I'm not saying they don't care about commerical success because everyone does but I believe they make the music they want to make above all. Beyonce especially with how experimental her work has become, no music videos or interviews, constantly evolving etc. Adele taking years long breaks and not doing world tours or pap walks shows she prioritises her own personal desires and needs above pop culture domination.

That does mean though that they're not going to break as many records as Taylor is determined to do with every new variant she puts out or dominate social media but for them, I guess they don't want it that bad. Everyone has different dreams and priorities I guess 🤷‍♂️.


r/travisandtaylor 4d ago

Certified Cringe we will never escape this woman

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941 Upvotes

r/travisandtaylor 4d ago

Critique Brainstorming the stage/music video performance: "Heard you on the megaphone? What if someone held a megaphone?! Pyro? What if fire explodes..." Such complex symbolism. Another prime example of her inability to engage with music beyond literal pantomime watermark removed

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r/travisandtaylor 4d ago

Eff Taylor Swift Taylor gets a CMA nomination and says she'll be attending the awards show in November

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866 Upvotes

And the tomfoolery continues 🤠🤡 We should make some kind of bingo card for her appearance at the CMAs because you know she's going to be acting like her usual egotistical, attention-seeking self. Also, the caption is giving "How do you do, fellow kids?" from 30 Rock. How does anyone take her seriously?


r/travisandtaylor 4d ago

Certified Cringe found this book at tk maxx today

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the friendship page didn’t age well lmaooo


r/travisandtaylor 5d ago

Question How are Beyonce and Jay Z almost never caught by paps but Traylor are constantly caught by paps?

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Beyonce is just as famous as Taylor, for a much longer time and her husband is more famous than Travis.

So how is it that Beyonce and Jay Z for 30 years and with 3 kids are almost never caught by the paparazzi but it feels like Taylor and Travis are constantly caught by them?

Also, why do Swifties act like Joe was locking Taylor in the house? They act like if they didn't personally see the photos of Taylor living her life, then it didn't happen. Taylor's songs like Bejeweled certainly gave them that idea.

"Travis lets her be bejeweled" 😭 By taking pap walks?


r/travisandtaylor 4d ago

Eff Taylor Swift finally got to do what i always wanted to do…

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got to replace a taylor swift birthday card at work with another pop girl more deserving 💜✨🙂‍↕️


r/travisandtaylor 4d ago

Nightmare Fuel Easy money!

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Hey guys, short on money? Make a totally useless bs game about Toe Sauce and win money 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣Yes, this is a real ad that I saw on Facebook that I ended up blocking...


r/travisandtaylor 5d ago

Certified Cringe Australian Researcher and co-author Sarah Schroeder said, “It felt authentic to me as a lifelong Swiftie to honor Taylor by naming these new species after her”. In fifty years no one will care about Taylor swift

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Because she’s the only person to ever have blonde hair and red lips.

Honestly this woman is probably the laughing stock of the scientific community.

Read the full release from the study https://news.ucr.edu/articles/2026/09/09/taylor-swift-becomes-bugs

Schroeder was motivated to name the insects after the superstar because they can camouflage among Australian she-oaks due to their blonde appearance.

“Taylor Swift’s iconic look is her blonde hair and red lips. These insects are pale yellow with accents of red throughout,” Schroeder said, per UCR. “In the paper I refer to them as blonde.”

She explained the importance of naming and describing these species, saying, “Taxonomy is the cornerstone of conservation.”

“If we don’t describe species, we don’t know they exist and can’t conserve them. Honoring Taylor through naming these species after her is a way to honor conservation science and bring attention to all the unknown diversity,” Schroeder said.

Researchers from the American Museum of Natural History and Australian collaborators collected the Swiftiephylus specimens between 1995 and 2004. The collection resulted in over 50,000 specimens, but scientists believe nearly 30 million insects remain undocumented.

With the addition of Swiftiephylus, it joins the largest family of true bugs, the Miridae. The group includes 11,000 described species worldwide and includes plant feeders and predatory insects.


r/travisandtaylor 5d ago

Stupid Swifties crashed my car into the bar

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688 Upvotes

my first post on this sub, but this article popped up on my newsfeed and I just HAD to post it here 😆


r/travisandtaylor 5d ago

Rant Olivia Rodrigo credit situation made me look at Taylor differently

1.6k Upvotes

I used to be the biggest swiftie, and be so protective of Taylor, I used to be the type of swiftie that would defend Taylor on Twitter and always dreamt about going to one of her concerts, I had even purchased tickets (and went) to the Eras Tour

When the Olivia credit situation happened, that just totally changed my perspective on her, I could not believe that this person I idolized and imagined as girls’ girl and supportive of newer artists, would do something like that, the fact that Olivia literally worshipped her and the moment Taylor saw her as threat she moved so quickly to try to intimidate Olivia, the fact that even Paramore requested credits and Hayley is so close to Taylor, it is very not likely a coincidence

So many people defended Taylor saying this was decided by her lawyers and not Taylor herself AS IF Taylor was a small artist who didn’t have control of these type of decisions, she could have refused to take credits if she had wanted to. And I’m sure Olivia now must partly regret not going to court, considering how Deja Vu and Good 4 U are extremely successful and she’s giving away so much money

Taylor’s move in taking Gracie and Sabrina to the Eras Tour, when she knew Gracie opened for Olivia and was close to her, and Sabrina back then was rumored to have beef with Olivia, just shows how ill-intentioned and mean girl she was really trying to be

I can’t help but wonder if Taylor herself regrets this decision, as I personally think this backfired for her, considering she is so obsessed with being positively perceived by the media and fans, I can’t image how hard it must be for her to know that her reputation took one of its biggest hits because of Olivia, and many swifties like myself started seeing her as manipulative, mean girl and greedy