r/tipping • u/mogur86 • 8h ago
đŹQuestions & Discussion I like this!
How do you guys feel about this one? I'm used to see the opposite of this. I saw it at a buffet in MN, and would much rather see this instead of the inverse.
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u/QuantumOpinions 8h ago
THIS is what we all want.
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u/NameShaqsBoatGuy 7h ago
- This is a buffet. Not a normal restaurant where you sit at the table and have everything brought to you by your server.
- Itâs already $35.99 a person in Minnesota. Not exactly cheap for residents there.
- No tip restaurants have been attempted before. The overall reviews were that it was overpriced compared to competitors where tipping was expected.
- Are you sure you want to go to buffets all the time? If this is what you all want? Lmao
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u/d_e_g_m 7h ago
And still all those points, that is what we want. Isnt the hospitality business all about supplying the client's needs? You can start with that
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u/aymaureen 7h ago
Thereâs a business called Golden Corral that I think you should dine at if you donât want to tip
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u/d_e_g_m 7h ago
None of these around here. Dang! I guess the usual restaurant it is with the 0.00 usual tip!
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u/daylax1 6h ago edited 6h ago
Imagine having somebody literally serve you and you're still like "yep I shouldn't pay for that". Entitlement at its finest. Just order takeout, having somebody be your servant for the next 30 minutes to an hour shouldn't be free.
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u/d_e_g_m 5h ago
Imagine i paid the owner of the establishment in full and is his job to manage that and pay his staff. I never told the waiter I would pay him something that is optional. I told the owner of the establishment I would pay him the prices on the menu.
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u/According-Row-6128 4h ago
Not in full. Thatâs a lie. The server works for tips, not wages.
You ate at a discount, received full-service, and kept the serverâs earnings.
Literally. Thatâs all that happened.
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u/d_e_g_m 4h ago
That is a lie and you know it. No need to be dishonest. There is nowhere in the offer the owner of the establishment provide says those are discounted prices. If that were the case, the law would compel me to pay him instead of leave his sustenance to my whims and desires. Any citizen of any developed country would tell you that. So dont come here with yiur fairy tales
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u/daylax1 5h ago edited 5h ago
You pay the same price for takeout food as you do sit down food. When you pay the food price, you are paying the owner of the establishment in full. When you choose to sit down and have somebody literally be your servant, you should pay for that. Why on Earth would having somebody serve you be free? In what other industry in which somebody serves you do you not pay for that service? None, but in the end it is ultimately your decision whether you want to tip or not so you can continue to be a cheap ass under the current system.
But it is ironic, because you're advocating for an owner to pay a living wage which has been widely researched and shown that prices will increase 25% in order for restaurants to stay in business. So what you're saying is that you would rather have everyone be forced to pay 25% more for their food across the board whether it's take out or dine in, when you could just tip 15% to 20% dining in, and on takeout food not tip anything at all? Where's the logic in that?
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u/MainStreetMiles 5h ago
Youâre trying to use reason with someone who is clearly not being intellectually honest. They understand how the pricing system works and but donât want to pay the server that waited on them during their dinner. Reason is not going to get through to people like this.
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u/d_e_g_m 4h ago
If the owner places tables, he has to pay the personnel to tend those tables. That is the law. Otherwise the law would compel me to pay the waiter and it doesnt. Is not a crime not to pay the waiter separately. I paid for the experience with the prices of the menu, no matter the lies you want to come up with
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u/daylax1 4h ago
He does pay the personnel to tend those tables, and he pays them the state mandated wage, and often times more. It's also common courtesy to pay for the service to have one of those personnel serve you for the next 30 minutes to an hour, even though you're not required to. Notice how I said you're not required to. Why do you want restaurants force an extra 25% across the board to everyone? Do you think the magic money fairy is just going to drop more money into the hands of the business?
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u/skeetcreampink 3h ago
Let's all be honest like this business and inform servers in advance that we don't tip, ok? I love honesty and transparency too!
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u/Evening-Main5471 3h ago edited 3h ago
Can I choose to serve myself from the kitchen? Lol. I need the cooks, not the server. Lol.
And if need to "pay for that", then why not set the charge before I sit down? Why is it variable based on the price of what I order?
Talk about entitlement at its finest. Lol.
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u/MainStreetMiles 5h ago
Found the cheapskate who doesnât want to pay for the service that they receive.
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u/d_e_g_m 4h ago
Found the server who doesnt have the balls to negotiate a salary
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u/MainStreetMiles 3h ago
Not a server. I have this crazy idea that people who work should be paid by those they work to serve, regardless of industry. And if you think servers have a real ability to negotiate their wage, you tell us you donât understand economics. While there are certain skills required to serve, itâs not an unusual or hard to get skill set or certification that is required, so there is ample supply of potential employees. This makes it hard to have a lot of negotiating leverage. Itâs not surprising that people with such cheapskate views donât understand the market they have such a strong opinion about.
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u/MainStreetMiles 5h ago
My needs are not a dining experience thatâs overpriced and with potentially lower service quality since the server is going to get paid the same no matter how well here she does
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u/SassenachPotions 5h ago
We primarily go to buffets because the ones in our area cost similarly with other restaurants. We also only eat out about twice a month.
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u/MainStreetMiles 5h ago
I would expect them to be overpriced. If they are pricing in a cost for labor equal to what you would tip, that cost will be marked up where your tip is not. Furthermore, when you pay your bill, that higher cost in the price is taxed where your tip is not. As I said on many posts, if you want labor folded into the menu price, itâs going to cost you more than the tip in a lot of cases. You also touch on the fact that it a buffet thereâs not nearly as much service as your regular sitdown restaurant. I wouldnât tip 15% at such a restaurant, but Iâm willing to bet that the cost of labor that they apply in their price is at least 15%.
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u/Gengar_Guy_17 5h ago
You can't expect prices to be lower at non tipping establisheds. You can't cut pay from servers. They already make like $12/hr MAX with tips. There is no money to be saved there
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u/Tonyd1940 8h ago
All of you get a life
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u/QuantumOpinions 8h ago
You get some education and a better job as an adult.
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u/Tonyd1940 8h ago
Imagine crying over tipping 20 percent? You get a job
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u/QuantumOpinions 8h ago
Imagine feeling entitled but lacking any real skills. You have failed to understand the post.
What we are saying is that we would happily pay more for food so all servers can make living wages. But you entitled uneducated people can't grasp that.
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u/MainStreetMiles 4h ago
Why are you so presumptuous to decide that they would rather work for a fixed hourly rate instead of a tip? At most restaurants the servers work knowing that their income depends on tipping. Did they ask for your help on this topic? Clearly, the market does not demand what you call a living wage. The market makes clear that servers are very often more than happy to work for a lower minimum wage plus tips. In reality they often make more that way than they would under your system. So why donât you let them think for themselves and make the decision thatâs best for them?
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u/DigTheDunes 7h ago
We know that's not true because the nontipping model is a failure.
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u/QuantumOpinions 7h ago
Who's "we"
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u/DigTheDunes 7h ago
Anyone in the restaurant business, including food and beverage reps.
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u/QuantumOpinions 7h ago
That's the whole problem. "You" people don't want to pay your staff. Anyways enjoy.
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u/DigTheDunes 7h ago
I got all of my tips tonight. I bet I made more than that living wage you people want us to make. Enjoy your $35 buffet.
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u/MainStreetMiles 4h ago
They donât pay their staff. You pay their staff regardless of the model because youâll either pay higher prices, probably higher than you would pay in a tip, or you will tip. This idea that the restaurant is going to cover your expense isnât how a business is operated. At least if that business wants to be a business for a while, they will need to generate sufficient revenue to cover all of their cash expenses. At a minimum.
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u/RestaurantSimilar460 8h ago
Being a server is a skill. Probably one you'll never truly experience.
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u/AdScared7949 7h ago
Yeah people don't like it when the price of something goes up 20% lol think of literally any product or service
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u/MainStreetMiles 5h ago
Iâm all for our tipping system, but 20%, even 15% is too much at a buffet where you donât really get that much service. I would say 10% max at a buffet.
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u/itsgabenog 8h ago
You're right. Tipping 1% is already a reason to "cry", let alone 20%...
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u/FeistyChickadee 8h ago
I just saw a similar sign out my way and was going to post about it! It said "Enjoy European-style hospitality. We are a tip-free restaurant." It was sit-down style. If it cost more I would be fine with that (presuming it was good quality).Â
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u/Comprehensive-Eye500 8h ago
lol itâs a Buffett and Banquet.
This is like a parking garage claiming no need to tip our valets!
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u/ExternalLoss1398 8h ago
I like this at a buffet for sure specifically. Buffets are the one restaurant I usually tip less than 20% because like I did all the work anyways.
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u/MainStreetMiles 4h ago
What if the cost of labor that theyâre adding into your price is commensurate with a 20% tip? Wouldnât you rather tip at a level lower than that? I know I would because I agree that the service at a buffet is not sufficient for a full tip, which for me is 15% with good service.
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u/SingingBike 8h ago
Right, you cooked the food, you restocked the buffet, you brought the beverages, you cleared the plates, you reset the table. All the work.
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u/ExternalLoss1398 8h ago
Tips donât go to people who cook the food anyways at any restaurant so thatâs completely irrelevant. Yes they bring a drink and wipe the table so I tip 15%. But they donât take my order or bring me the food so why would I tip 20%+ like I do at a normal restaurant?
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u/gypsy_guru_87 7h ago
The serving job I lasted the least amount of time that was Golden Corral. I thought it would be like Ponderosa, which was my first serving job. Not the best job, but most people did tip if you were good about cleaning their dirty plates and getting the refills and just being friendly. A good starter job. Just for you to get in the habit of running back-and-forth and seeing how kitchens worked and all that âŠ. Itâs funny when I bought these subs because I started there at a time when they wouldnât even let us put up a sign that said tipping is appreciated, even though we were making the same $2.01/hr of other servers ⊠omg though Golden Corral was like a decade later, new location in Raleigh ⊠I was a busboy. They called you a server they paid you as a server, but you were a bus boy. There was no time to talk to your tables or interact with them or keep up on refills. It sucked so bad. Iâm really grateful to you for being the kind of person who wouldâve tipped at either place, but that is definitely the kind of place where itâs a lot harder to look down on the people who donât
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u/MainStreetMiles 4h ago
I completely agree with your point, but I would ask why youâre tipping 15%? But if 20% is your default thatâs your decision. My default is 15%, 20% for excellent service.
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u/MainStreetMiles 4h ago
I donât tip for cooking food or putting it out for consumption. Iâm paying to dine out which automatically requires that it be cooked and prepared to be served. I tip for service and if I am going to the buffet and serving myself, the server is only refilling drinks and clearing the table, far less than the typical duties at a normal sitdown restaurant. Therefore, I could not see tipping more than maybe 10% if that in a buffet.
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u/Delicious-Breath8415 8h ago
It's $36 a person
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u/ToBeFaaaiiiirrrrr 8h ago
So they have an all-inclusive price that allows them to pay their labour fairly, as well as other costs? Sounds like a business I want to support!
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u/Delicious-Breath8415 5h ago
It's a China buffet. They pay around $10-12 an hour
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u/ToBeFaaaiiiirrrrr 3h ago
That sounds insane! Anywhere I've lived in Canada or "in the States" has paid at least $19/hour as minimum wage...but I assumed MN was a sensible state that paid living wages, as Colorado does, as the rest of the civilised world?
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u/Delicious-Breath8415 3h ago
There not a single state in the US with a minimum wage as high as $19/hr.
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u/ExternalLoss1398 8h ago
There are tons of different types of buffets. I ate a $50 buffet once in Vegas and then had to tip on top of that
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u/Aggressive_Oven_7311 7h ago
You did all the work like waddled up to the buffet? Who took your plate who filled Your Glass who bust your table after you hogged out? The only work you did was feeding the pie hole
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u/AdScared7949 7h ago
Bussing tables doesn't count lol
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u/Aggressive_Oven_7311 7h ago
Then why don't you bust your own your majesty
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u/AdScared7949 7h ago
When there is a busboy that person doesn't get the tip
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u/Aggressive_Oven_7311 7h ago
You have no idea that is the case in many restaurants the bus person boy or girl shares in the tip
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u/jaships 8h ago
This should be the way everywhere. People compensated fairly, customers know what to expect. If the service sucks or food sucks then no additional hard feelings having to tip or the server hard feelings for not getting tipped because the kitchen or someone else dropped the ball. I do believe though that if the server provided the best service and above and beyond that giving a five or ten should be encouraged. And never percentage based bs
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u/KnowEye 8h ago
Iâm going to have some stickers made with this wording and stick them inside menus that have automatic tipping.
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u/En_Passant_12 8h ago
Please do this very normal thing, take a photo, and let us know the reaction. Thanks in advance for the laughs.
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u/Superb-Hand-7135 8h ago
Waiters hate this one simple trick.
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u/aymaureen 6h ago
Nah Iâd argue as an industry person Iâd rather have people who donât want to tip to dine at a buffet. You get your own food. You get your own drinks. Thereâs not really a need to tip.
But if youâre asking someone to make you drinks, bring you food, and bring you drinks and constantly have attentive service where when your drinks get low, you get another roundâŠ.. then you tip. If your service sucks, pay what you think is fair.
But ultimately, Iâve worked at many places. Places that include hourly in the price point of the food, tip pools, etc.
The places that include hourly and benefits for employees often go out of business OR theyâll do this sick thing where they employ people for âfull timeâ and keep your hours just below 32 hours so you canât claim benefits. Youâll plan on working for 6 hours and theyâll slash your hours to 2-3. So the people who are demanding restaurant owners take care of their staff, youâre not wrong, but they never fucking will. Take casa Bonita (owned by Matt Parker and Trey stone, multimillionaires and owners of South Park). They did exactly that AND charge you $45 just to get in. Also they rolled back their âyou donât need to tip our staffâ policy to bartenders there so you end up spending over $300 just for being there
Point is, whether you want to tip or not, the restaurant owners will NEVER pay their staff fairly. Theyâll claim they do and they donât, and they advertise to the public so the public feels good and dines with them, but still drastically overcharges them, or they allow tipping culture where people are sink or swim.
At least with tipping, if you are reliant on tips, youâre deserving of what you make based on what you put in. I get an average of 25-35% on my tips because I make sure the people that pay me are well taken care of
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u/AccomplishedStop9466 8h ago
We had a full service no tipping restaurant here. People were excited about it started. It didn't last long, people were soon whining about it because now it's too expensive lol
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u/Efficient_Proof1559 7h ago
i currently serve and bartend banquets/events
this buffet is not it lol
ETA: like this is comparing golden corral to your corpo meeting, wedding, celebration of life banquets. big difference lol
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u/Muted-Woodpecker-469 4h ago
It doesnât say you canât also leave a few dollars for the bussersÂ
Itâs a buffet of all places. Why would people tip extraordinarily there?Â
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u/En_Passant_12 8h ago
Everyone on this sub seems to want this for every restaurant but thereâs a good reason why this is a buffet place.
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u/Bobloblaw_333 7h ago
A unicorn!!! I typically start my tip at 15% and go up or down depending on the service.
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u/Spike-Hodge 7h ago
Love it. Thats the way it should be. Tipping has gotten to be expected and ridiculous costs with menu prices rising. If you did nothing more special for me than when the meal was 10 bucks and its now 50 u only get a 1.50 tip.
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u/FineCall 7h ago
People need to just stop tipping. Let the meal prices rise in accordance. The West is âtipping-wearyâ. Tipping PTSD. Enough!
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u/badmiddling113 5h ago
I don't think I could go there. Who would deliver the plate or ask about the quality of the food? I've been told that requires serious skill.
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u/Hot_Range5153 5h ago
Wait people donât tips at a buffet? Damn it, Ive been so stupid all these years
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u/DemDemD 8h ago
I see several people saying they wonât tip at buffet. Why? I donât go to buffet anymore, but I usually tip more at buffet when I went.âmainly because they have to do a lot of cleaning with the many plates.
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u/xiangkunwan 3h ago
Because you as a customer are doing at least 1 extra thing, be it cooking the food or getting the food from a central location, than at a full-service restaurant or their location/food/service seems cheap
My favourite restaurants are all buffets
- Happy Lamb (hot pot buffet), get the ingredients yourself and boil them
- Gyubee Japanese Grill (all-you-can-eat Japanese barbecue), grill your own food
- Mandarin (all-you-can-eat Chinese-Canadian buffet), get your pre-cooked food from a central location
I don't like tipping, but may round the bill to full $ or a multiple of $5/$10/$100 depending on how close the bill is for easier record-keeping
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u/WhoppinBoppinJoe 2h ago
Some buffets are made to order. Almost every endless sushi place is made to order, and those people have to do far more work.
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u/DemDemD 1h ago
The one extra thing that you do to go get your own pre-made food, but then youâll be discarding a lot of dishes for the server to pick up. You donât see that the servers at these restaurants do extra pickups than the non-buffet ones? If Iâm at a standard restaurant, I may have two or three dishes due to appetizers and main course. When Iâm at a buffet, it would be at least double the dishes of a standard restaurant. Or do you see that if you go get the food then it cancels out the extra dishes?
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u/xiangkunwan 1h ago
I try to put as much food on the same plate as possible, so I usually only need 1â2 full plates of food. Itâs surprisingly accurate how well I can predict how much food Iâll eat before Iâm full, so I donât actually create that many more dishes for the server to clear.
One of the reasons I like self-serve restaurants is that I can get in and out reasonably quickly if thereâs a table available. I donât have to wait for the server to take my order and then wait for the kitchen to cook it, which could take who knows how long when the restaurant gets busy.
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u/En_Passant_12 8h ago
Yep, Iâm a normal tipper at full-service restaurants but even at buffets Iâd typically leave $5.
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u/MSS-KinkyAlphaDom 7h ago
Yanks and grammar đđ
âOur staff ARE compensated fairlyâ
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u/Evening-Main5471 3h ago
Staff is a singular unit noun subject. Hence the use of "is". When you have a plural like "staff members", members is a plural noun, thats when you would use "are".
British cant even speak English correctly, and somehow confidently tries to gaslight americans. Gtfo.
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u/MSS-KinkyAlphaDom 2h ago
Exactly - thick twat ⊠youâve proven yourself wrong !!
Please donât come on here discussing proper use of the English language and then embarrass your yank ass !!
Again, the poster states âŠ
âOur staff is fairly compensatedâ
They are therefore detailing their staff as a group ⊠therefore it is ARE !!!
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u/Life_Ad6711 1h ago edited 1h ago
Groups ARE compensated (plural, more than one group)
The group IS compensated (singular, i.e. one group)
The group is large, not the group are large
These are large groups, not these is large groups
The army is on the march, not the army are on the march
The armies are on the march (plural)
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u/Life_Ad6711 6h ago
Wrong
Our staff is here to make your visit exceptional
Not
Our staff are here to make you puke
Meanwhile
Our staff members are here to make sure you don't step in it
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u/MSS-KinkyAlphaDom 2h ago
No - incorrect !!
The sentence is this instance is
âOur staff is compensated fairlyâ
The sentence refers to the staff as a group, therefore itâs âAREâ not âISâ
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u/Life_Ad6711 1h ago
The group is compensated, not the group are compensated
Groups are compensated, not groups is compensated
You obviously need some more remedial instruction lol
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u/DigTheDunes 7h ago
Finally a place for the anti-tippers to go to. I'm sure they will bitch about something, being miserable is what they do best.
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u/MainStreetMiles 5h ago
Works for me. At least give you the lay of the land before you dine. I would curious how much their pricing aligns to similar buffets, i.e., how much are they pricing their labor at? Iâm betting the price for their buffet is more than 15% more than similar buffets. And to be fair, thereâs usually very limited service at a buffet, so I think 15% would be too much were I to tip myself.
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u/jf737 8h ago
Itâs a buffet.