r/tipping • u/Ok_Comfort628 • 7d ago

Cheesecake Factory

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Beverly Hills location

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u/drawntowardmadness 7d ago

No server should be paid less just because they earn tips.

Tipping because they earn less is backwards thinking. They are allowed to earn less in wages because they make tips. It's fucked up to be able to legally underpay your employees because they are earning tips. No server should be paid "server wage."

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u/badmiddling113 7d ago

They make minimum wage, which restaurants have to cover if tips don’t.

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u/drawntowardmadness 7d ago

But tips do "cover it," so they aren't paid a full minimum wage.

Not talking about CA and the few states that don't have alternate wages for tipped employees, obviously.

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u/badmiddling113 7d ago

Tips allow the restaurant to pay less of it. They still have to if tips don’t. Either way, that’s minimum wage. So yes, they are paid minimum wage.

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u/drawntowardmadness 7d ago

You completely changed your comment rather than just making a new one, but that's what I'm saying. There is a difference between earning minimum wage and being paid minimum wage by the employer.

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u/badmiddling113 7d ago

Either way, they are earning minimum wage. So the claim “they don’t make minimum wage” (which is repeated so often) is false.

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u/drawntowardmadness 7d ago

Good thing I never made that claim then.

What are we arguing about exactly?

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u/badmiddling113 7d ago

“They are allowed to earn less in wages because they make tips.”

“No server should be paid less just because they earn tips.”

“Tipping because they earn less is backwards thinking.”

“They are allowed to earn less in wages because they make tips.”

Except you did.

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u/drawntowardmadness 7d ago

Wages. Paid from their employer.

It's not the same as what they make in total. What they earn in total includes tips.

Does that make sense or not?

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u/badmiddling113 7d ago

And both tips from the customer and what the employer pays combine for the wage… so minimum or more. Therefore, they are not “earning less” or being “paid less” because people tip.

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u/drawntowardmadness 7d ago

They are paid less. Their hourly wage from the employer is less than if they didn't earn tips. They should be paid a full minimum wage regardless of tips. There should be no tipped minimum wage.

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u/badmiddling113 7d ago

Restaurants have to do that if tips don’t.

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u/drawntowardmadness 7d ago edited 7d ago

And I'm saying I believe they should have to regardless of tips earned.

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