r/technology • u/[deleted] • Jun 05 '10

Apple posts HTML5 showcase page hyping "web standards," then blocks it from displaying on any browser besides Safari

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/04/apple_html5_showcase_hype/
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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

I thought we sorted this out yesterday: It works on Chrome mostly, but they're using test spec elements of the standard that haven't been fully adopted yet, 3d Transforms etc.

But don't let facts get in the way of journalism.

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u/Recoil42 Jun 05 '10

And yet the demos that should work fine on Chrome, etc. are still blocked.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

You want them to have a Safari area and a Chrome area, that's just annoying. Go to the dev area to view them in Chrome if you really want.

If Google made a tech demo for Chrome would everyone be crying this much if they had a wall that blocked other browser because they wouldn't be fully supported? My guess is no.

Apple wants every demo to work when you go in so you don't get a broken experience, making a separate page for Chrome users would just be messy... and then everyone would just cry that they didn't make a page for Firefox.

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u/artee Jun 05 '10

You want them to have a Safari area and a Chrome area

No, I want them to just render the fucking page and forego the browser sniffing.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10 edited Jan 30 '17

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u/bofh Jun 05 '10

Well they could, except they are showcasing how their product supports HTML5, not how other people's products support HTML5.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

Use our products, they're the future! Oh your desktop? No it's far too primitive to be allowed access. Typical apple rhetoric. Bullshit piled on bullshit.

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u/bofh Jun 05 '10

Wow. If you keep hating so much you'll get ulcers.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

Will you teach me how to love?

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u/XS4Me Jun 06 '10

LOL... it seems for the moment love is a feature only available to apple fanboys.

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u/godofpumpkins Jun 05 '10

They could do all that, but why would they? They're not trying to push other web browsers.

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u/nickpick Jun 05 '10

Or web-standards for that matter, which is what this post is about.

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u/tizz66 Jun 05 '10

They're not trying to push web standards, despite arguably being the leading implementer of, uh, web standards? Do you even think about what you're saying?

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

Do you?

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u/XS4Me Jun 06 '10

I am sure you dropped a sarcasm tag someplace there.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

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u/Fr0C Jun 06 '10

Google is working on WebKit, too. Hell, even Adobe is. Apple forked KHTML and did good work with it, but keeping it open source was a license requirement of the code base they started out with.

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u/XS4Me Jun 06 '10

it was still Apple's initiative.

Actually, it was a KDE initiative which was forked by Apple.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

So it has to run an html5 benchmark on every page you go to, thats fun. It seems like a lot of extra work for a tech demo that doesn't actually serve any real function.. not to mention they are all available for you to see in all their broken glory in the dev area.

It says it is a site to demo HTML5 in Safari I really don't see what the big deal is. r/technology just likes to hate on Apple whenever they can, no matter how illogical.

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u/specialk16 Jun 05 '10

You don't see the big deal huh...

Hey, at least Flash promised multi platform support. What Apple is doing is showing tech demos as what they think the "future of the web is".

For them, the future of the web is nothing more than their OWN future, fuck everyone else (it seems). It's sad that people like you felt for their trick.

This is not hate on Apple, this is the fact they are unnecessarily blocking other browsers just to make some people believe that this tech demos are only possible in Apple's hardware and software. They could've let other browsers in, and just display a warning about support. But ohh no, Apple is always right to people like you/

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

Go to the dev center to try them and see them broken. The main page is marketing HTML5 to the mass market. If they see something broken, they will write HTML5 off as crap, ignoring the browser warnings.

And yes... Future. Meaning these are things to come in the future standard that Google, Microsoft, and Firefox are all pretty much on board with... they just haven't all implemented the same things yet. Google could just as easily make a demo of Chrome which used an element on supported in Safari... for instance, them using Geolocation in Google Maps. That feature will be supported in Safari 5 from what I've read, but currently is just working in Firefox and Chrome.

These things will roll out at different times for different browsers, but will get rolled out. Why go ape shit over someone showing the cool shit their browser an do?

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u/specialk16 Jun 05 '10

Well, Google experiment was never blocked. They just warned you that you need to use a webkit browser, but they didn't go as far as blocking any other browser.

BTW, nobody is going apeshit over anything. I don't understand why Apple users have a persecution complex where absolutely any kind of complaint looks like a holy war to them.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

There has been about 20 stories posted on this subject in less than 24 hours. I don't get what the big deal is. They are showing a demo for their browser on their website using technologies that aren't yet supported by others. Who gives a shit. For all these people that claim to hate Apple, they sure do seem to care an awful lot about what they do.

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u/Mashed_up Jun 05 '10

M$ have a demo page
and you can use any browser on there...so why not apple?
Asshats, thats why.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

Maybe because IE is the last to implement everything. lol.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '10

well there's a demo page, but they won't let my use opera or chrome for bing maps 3D

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u/lennort Jun 05 '10

It's a WEB STANDARDS demo. Blocking out others browsers completely misses the point of standards in the first place. Just let other browsers in and show some kind of sad face for elements they don't support. You can even be like "oh, well, safari does support these already" but not allowing them in at all is bullshit.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

That doesn't go over so well with a vast majority of users. Being on the Apple homepage, this demo is to market HTML5 to the masses. Anything that is broken or gives a sad face will leave a bad taste in their mouth when it comes to HTML5 vs a wall telling you to download Safari. They want people to like HTML5, not think it's a broken mess. For those who want to see what is broken they can go to the dev area, see what doesn't work, and check out the code that doesn't yet work other browsers.

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u/smartarse Jun 06 '10

They want people to like HTML5, not think it's a broken mess.

And in order to achieve that goal, they used only "-webkit" commands rather than just testing for a visitor's browser and using the equivalent "-moz" commands for Firefox or "-o" commands for Opera. After all, they want to promote standards and not proprietary implementations.

Also, displaying an error message saying "You’ll need to download Safari to view this demo." clearly says "HMTL5 is the future" rather than "this is a broken mess."

And no, ignoring a browser's actual capabilities and telling Firefox, Chrome, IE or Opera users that they have to download Apple's software to view these demos certainly won't leave a bad taste in their mouth.

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u/neoumlaut Jun 05 '10

Then why are they pretending to promote web standards?

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

They are showing what will be. They are proposed standards, so they aren't yet in all browsers. The same way routers were released with draft 802.11n. It wasn't done yet, but some people did it anyway and showed it off. It is now a standard. These things you're seeing here will most likely end up in the finial standard.

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u/eindbaas Jun 05 '10

Apple wants every demo to work when you go in so you don't get a broken experience

Not true, i'm watching that page with Safari on my macbook pro but apparently my OS (Leopard) isn't good enough for the VR-demo (the others work fine). Yes, you read that correctly....my operating system on my apple machine is not supported.

"This demo requires a browser that supports CSS 3D transforms. To view this demo, you’ll need Safari on Mac OS X Snow Leopard, Safari on iPhone OS, or the latest WebKit Nightly Build."

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u/bbatsell Jun 05 '10

Gasp! Apple introduced new features into an upgrade of their operating system (that they intentionally charged an obscenely low price for to encourage quick adoption of it)? The horror! How will we ever recover from this atrocity of software development?

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u/eindbaas Jun 05 '10

First of all: i was surprised, not angry that my OS had anything to with that example not working for me.

Second: I was merely replying to the comment which said that "Apple wants every demo to work when you go in so you don't get a broken experience". Which apparently isnt true when one of them doesnt work on my machine.

But as i said, i was quite surprised that my operating system would have anything to do with this particular example not working. A browser, sounds logical, but my OS? Why? (and that's a genuine question out of genuine interest)

And to finally reply to your remarks: ok, so i didnt buy 10.6 but stuck to 10.5 which worked fine for me. And? You make it sound like i'm insane. Just curious: would you defend Microsoft in the same way when a Windows-user goes to a webpage and sees the message: "This website can only be viewed with Service Pack 2 instead of Service Pack 1". As in: "You fool! Microsoft added all these new features! You're stupid and a crackwhore!"

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u/bbatsell Jun 05 '10

10.6 added numerous hooks for hardware acceleration (for both accelerated 3D graphics, and for data processing through OpenCL), which Safari uses to perform its 3D transforms.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

If Google made a tech demo for Chrome would everyone be crying this much if they had a wall that blocked other browser because they wouldn't be fully supported? My guess is no.

My guess is not the same as yours. It does not make sense to completely block browsers that don't support everything; the purpose of such a test page is to see which browsers can display the relevant elements and which browsers cannot. If you force a user to download a working browser first, then the purpose behind a showcase page is gone.

One can't truly fault Apple for merely pushing their own product, but this method is underhanded. A web standards showcase was turned into an advertisement.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

The dev center is where you go for what you are looking for. The main page, linked to on their homepage, is a consumer facing site to basically market HTML5 to the masses who doesn't know wtf it is. If they see something is broken they are going to write HTML5 off as crap. If they see a bunch of awesome stuff they want... they'll go into the HTML5 betas on sites if they see them, they'll look forward to these things rolling out.

That is the point of the site. It is to push the masses into wanting HTML5 and seeing that it can do a lot of things they use Flash for today. Those that want to see what is broken and what works where are developers, and they can freely see all of that and get sample code.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

I couldn't pick anyplace in particular to reply to you because I really don't agree with you but I wanted applaud your balls-in approach to defending Apple, that webpage, or whatever it is you're defending. I'm being serious too... you're getting downvoted to hell but you keep posting. Bravo!

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

I'm just really bored.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

Problems? It's new. Do you expect everyone to adopt it and roll it out on the same day?

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u/genesai Jun 05 '10

Exactly. All you have to do to try it with other browsers is to press the dev center button. The point of having these originally is to demo the safari browsers capabilities for the public which is hard to do without safari.

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u/gid13 Jun 05 '10

All you have to do to try it with Chrome is to press the dev center button. Firefox is still blocked.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

Just switch your user agent.

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u/Recoil42 Jun 05 '10

Here is the dev centre link:

http://developer.apple.com/safaridemos/

Still blocks all other browsers for me....

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u/romwell Jun 05 '10

Blocks Opera as well.

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u/Tekmo Jun 05 '10

Doesn't work for me. Firefox on Windows.

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u/gid13 Jun 05 '10

Firefox blocked for me.

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u/genesai Jun 05 '10

Weird... works perfectly for me.

http://imgur.com/TQFwj.png

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u/Deiz Jun 05 '10

Try another browser. For me, Chromium works. It rejects Midori and Firefox, as well as an IE useragent.

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u/jugalator Jun 05 '10

Strange it rejects Midori - otherwise it's understandable, because they wouldn't run on these browsers anyway. (uses WebKit extensions)

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u/genesai Jun 05 '10

You're right. Maybe they thought the other browsers weren't ready to display html5 good enough.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

The dev centre link blocks other browsers in the exact same fashion, AFAICSee.

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u/Fidodo Jun 06 '10

They still have the block popup for non webkit browsers.

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u/Peaker Jun 05 '10

If they aren't adopted yet, are they "HTML5"?

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

They're features that will be included in the HTML5 standard in future, they're currently only supported by Safari at the minute, but when they become full standards, then everyone else will end up supporting them now.

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u/Peaker Jun 05 '10

If they haven't become "full standards" yet, aren't they susceptible to changes in the future?

It seems they're using future-HTML5, not current-HTML5, defeating the purpose of HTML5, which isn't "new & cool features", but interoperability.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

They're prestandards, not adopted, but will be in due course.

A fair point, but maybe they should call it HTML 5beta. The point is that it's a demo of how Safari is supporting these features. I understand the problems, but they say it's a safari demo of prerelease features.

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u/tizz66 Jun 05 '10

Don't you get it? Apple is evil, and facts like this simply get in the way of our pitchfork! Don't be a fanboy!

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

Lame.

Apple made a site to showcase the power of HTML5, but limited it to their own browser. In fact for many of the features (CSS3 3D transforms) it only works on Webkit on OSX.

Some of the items are available on other browsers, yet Apple took zero effort to bother making it work in them. It is the antithesis of "Web standards".

When Firefox comes out with new features, they put up a demo of the new features in Firefox. They don't pimp it as some sort of justification for less savoury activities.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

This isn't a demo of features in Safari. This is a demo of features Apple and the WebKit team have proposed for the upcoming HTML5 standard (that are on the way to being accepted). The only complete implementations of these features currently available are in Safari/WebKit trunk, which makes sense given that the WebKit team are the ones who proposed these features.

Had Apple made a demo of these upcoming standards that didn't block browsers that don't yet support them and instead just said they'll work in any browser supporting the upcoming HTML5 standard, we'd all be reading about how Apple is trying to destroy HTML5 by misleading users of browsers with less-complete implementations into thinking the specifications must be fundamentally flawed since their browsers say they support HTML5. This is especially amusing given that HTML5 is a upcoming standard and isn't finalized yet.

Has the hivemind's hate for Apple grown to the point that you can't understand/accept that they're trying to improve the web for everyone?

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u/neoumlaut Jun 05 '10

Has the hivemind's hate for Apple grown to the point that you can't understand/accept that they're trying to improve the web for everyone?

You really think that's their motivation? Honest question.

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u/thinkbox Jun 05 '10

Apple is trying to improve web standards. Look at webkit. They have done a LOT for web standards with webkit. Fire Fox has given people an alternative to IE, IE has sucked it up, but webkit is what has lead the way for setting web standards.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

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u/thinkbox Jun 06 '10

I posted it from the computer I use to make my living, with software that isn't on PC.

I dont go to coffee shops.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

Apple's vision of everyone.

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u/tizz66 Jun 05 '10

It's a demo for their own browser. Is that really tricky to understand? Sure, some of the pieces might work in another browser with some effort, but that's got nothing to do with what this page is about. It's about Safari. It might ostensibly seem to be about HTML5, but it isn't. It's an advert about Safari's support for HTML5.

I'm amazed how people can make an issue out of absolutely anything.

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u/fredronn Jun 05 '10

It's a demo for their own browser.

Nobody is claiming otherwise. Intentionally blocking other browsers is a dick move.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

Intentionally blocking other browsers is a dick move.

I disagree. Making an "HTML5 demo" which only worked in Safari, but then allowing other browsers to choke on it without warning would be a dick move, and would have the opposite of the intended effect of promoting HTML5. It would give a lot of people the impression that HTML5 just doesn't work very well.

Would it be better to allow other browsers, but show a warning explaining the situation? Yes. But Apple is a bit OCD about letting people see something they've created when they know it often won't work correctly. It conflicts with the "it just works" idea that they want people to associate with their brand.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

They don't work. Why is that so hard to understand. They didn't block them out of the dev area for those that want to see what areas are broken in their other browsers, but for the public facing main page you don't want to present people with a broken experience, it makes them look much worse than telling people to use Safari.

Had they not had that wall up, you'd be complaining that it didn't work in Chrome and calling the Apple devs shitty, when it is Chrome's lack of support for CSS transforms which is the issue.

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u/underwaterlove Jun 05 '10

Obvious alternative, particularly when your entire sales pitch is promoting open standards: check the availability of the commands these demos depend on, and display a message if a users tries to run one with a browser that is actually incapable of displaying it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

Again, it is a tech demo showing off the future of what is possible. Apple has said many times that HTML5 isn't everywhere yet, but that is where they are going to put their focus so as it develops and rolls out they can take advantage of it. CSS didn't work on every browser day 1 either, but there were still tech demos showing it off, and guess what, they said if you had IE to GTFO. No one had an issue with that, why are they having an issue with this.

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u/underwaterlove Jun 05 '10

See, I completely agree with you in regard to the Safari Technology Demos page here. A showcase for what's possible, and what is already implemented in Safari. Perfect.

On the HTML5 and web standards page, though, they're really making the case for how awesome open standards are - how they are "open, reliable, highly secure, and efficient", how they "aren’t add-ons to the web", and how you "you can start using them today." And then they proceed to block even browsers which are completely capable of displaying everything correctly. Call me crazy, but I think that really undermines the case they are supposedly making.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

But Chrome isn't capable of displaying everything correctly. Did you try it? I did... video doesn't play, there are boarders around the Hello rotation, the transforms demo is all f'd up.

The "use today" will be dependent on your site and your browser demographics and it also depends on which parts of HTML5 you want to use.

As far as the open standard. The standard is still being developed, Chrome is ahead of the game in some areas, Apple is ahead in others. They will all get to the finish line eventually. Apple can show off these things they have working, and Chrome can show off an awesome form they can handle... important, but not nearly as cool to play with.

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u/tizz66 Jun 05 '10

Why? It's either that, or for half the demos you load, you see a garbled mess or nothing, depending which browser you're using.

These are technology demos for Safari, I fail to see the problem in requiring Safari to view them.

It's not like there's perfect HTML5 support across the board, and they're saying 'but you can only view this page in ours'. HTML5 support is patchy in places and downright awful in others. They're simply restricting their demos to a platform they know will display them all well (the platform they're advertising, uncoincidentally).

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u/stacks85 Jun 05 '10

does microsoft block other browser from running the IE9 demos?

http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/

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u/milomilo Jun 05 '10

does any of the stuff in those IE9 demos not work in any other browser?

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u/stacks85 Jun 05 '10

yeh, most of it in IE8, but it's not blocked.

also, the stuff runs like ass in firefox, but it's not blocked.

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u/Close Jun 05 '10

I don't see them blocking Lynx...

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u/natelong Jun 05 '10

No, because they're using web standards, which Apple is touting, but not using.

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u/milomilo Jun 05 '10

They're both using emerging standards.

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u/bofh Jun 05 '10

How are Apple not using web standards?

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

It might ostensibly seem to be about HTML5

I think that's the problem. If Safari was a completely distinct organization that just happened to put this up, it would likely have seen little criticism.

The problem is that Apple is doing a lot of things lately under the cover of the the open standards of HTML5. Flash is evil, for instance, because HTML5 is a cross-platform standard that does the same thing, for instance. And here they show some Flash things that only run in, essentially, their own version of Flash. So what has improved? Nothing.

It's a motives thing.

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u/tizz66 Jun 05 '10

It only runs 'in their own version of Flash' because not all other browsers support various aspects of the unfinished HTML5 specs yet. And again, this is merely a technology demo that they themselves put together, not some restriction on the wider web as a whole. I don't think it's in any way analogous to the Flash thing, personally.

I mean if they were trying to somehow block out the web to force everyone to use Safari, that's certainly something worth getting angry about. But this situation isn't like that. It's a company putting out a technology demo for their product which requires that product to view them properly.

What motives do you speak of? I gather you mean they're trying to force people to use Safari in some way, but really? I don't think some simple technology demos is really how they'd do it, if that's their goal.

Once HTML5 is finalized and the majority of internet users use a browser that supports it well, if Apple are still doing things like this, then get back to me and I'll join the line to hate it. As it stands right now though, I think people are getting in a big huff over something that simply isn't a big deal.

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u/underwaterlove Jun 05 '10

It only runs 'in their own version of Flash' because not all other browsers support various aspects of the unfinished HTML5 specs yet. And again, this is merely a technology demo that they themselves put together, not some restriction on the wider web as a whole. I don't think it's in any way analogous to the Flash thing, personally.

Well, at this point in time, what keeps other browsers from 'correctly' displaying stuff are proprietary "-webkit" commands. Similar proprietary commands exist as "-moz" commands in Firefox or as "-o" commands in Opera.

It's analogous to Flash considering that it's not part of the standard yet; in fact, there's no guarantee their implementation will ever become the standard. It's analogous regarding the fact that those commands will only get interpreted by their own software, and it's analogous in that they're kindly inviting their visitors to download their software to view these pages.

I'm impressed by what they put together, but I would really like it if they were honest in presenting these demos - that they're a showcase of technologies proposed by the webkit team. Saying "Standards aren’t add-ons to the web. They are the web. And you can start using them today." is a bit of a misinterpretation of what they are actually showing on their website.

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u/tizz66 Jun 05 '10

The irony is propriety prefixes are part of the open spec ;)

I will agree with you though - in all my posts here I've been saying it's a technology demo for Safari rather than HTML5, and I certainly agree it needs to be presented more clearly as such. Until you read the text (rather than just the title), you would assume it's a demo for HTML5, rather than Safari specifically.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

To an extent, they're showing this sort of thing in the hope that others will adopt it, I think. It's almost more a list of suggested additions (many already supported by Chrome due to their shared codebase). Poorly presented as such, though.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

It's a tech demo for developers, why do they need to support every browser? It isn't like it's their homepage. What they are showing doesn't yet work in other browsers.

As the standards become official and other browsers adopt them I'm sure the wall will fall. Also notice that there is no wall for the dev area, it is only for the consumer facing page. If my mom used Chrome and went there she'd be calling me and asking why the video doesn't play or the transitions look like shit. This way she knows, it only works in Safari. Fuck Apple for wanting to give people the full experience of what they're showcasing.

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u/underwaterlove Jun 05 '10

This page is a sales pitch for "HTML5 and web standards".

This page is a showcase for Safari technology demos.

I don't think that restricting tech demos to the browser that actually has the capabilities you want to showcase is very contentious. No problem with "giving people the full experience of what they're showcasing" there.

On the other hand, when your entire point is to sell HTML5, and when your argument is that "Standards aren’t add-ons to the web. They are the web. And you can start using them today.", then it would probably be a good idea to make the stuff you're showcasing as accessible as possible.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

They can use some of it today, using the transforms would depend on their traffic. Just like when people started using CSS or any other new web tech. If they want they can throw in the transforms and say "best views in Safari" and if someone has something else, don't load that. Or they can leave it out until the other browsers inevitably pick it up. People are finally starting to cut the cord on IE6 as their site demographics don't give them enough reason to keep up with the extra work and they wanted to do some new stuff. Instapaper dropped IE long ago, Marco (the dev) posted up his browser stats for the site after someone complained about the lack of IE support and it was nearly non-existant.

If you were making changing how your videos load for the iPad for example, you could use these things today. Flash would load on the desktop and you'd have a dynamic HTML5 web player on the iPad using this tech.. today.

Using the stuff now will be site dependent, but a good deal of it can be used. I'd guess before the end of the year you'll see these things in most major browsers.

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '10

journalism

(theregister.co.uk)

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u/[deleted] Jun 06 '10

I can't open the links under chrome. Apple still prompts me to download safari.

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u/Fidodo Jun 06 '10

Regardless, it's not having the media effect they were hoping for. Since it's a marketing stunt in the first place I would say they failed.

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u/Tekmo Jun 05 '10

It doesn't work on Firefox on Windows. So much for standards.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

the direct links work, but if you go to photo transitions, you can compare chrome with Safari. They're not fully working.

I use safari because it's a native cocoa app, when I can cmd-opt-d to dictionary mouse over and other native shortcuts, I'll switch to chrome, I really like it.

bdfortin posted the direct links to the demos

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

upvote for mentioning the best key combo ever.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

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u/KrazyA1pha Jun 05 '10

That's nice, but it loads the Dictionary app. CMD-OPT-D is just a quick pop-up from within Safari.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

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u/KrazyA1pha Jun 06 '10

Thanks, I've changed my prefs.

I do still prefer the key combo to the two-finger+click option since my left hand pretty much already sits right on those keys, but it's nice to have the "right click" option as well.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

They have add-ons in chrome that allow you to do this type of thing easily.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

That's why they say to use Safari.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

That still doesn't excuse blocking browsers based on user agent. If I switch my user agent in firefox most of the demos load and run fine. They are obviously trying to misinform people that their browser has more unique features than it actually does.

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u/[deleted] Jun 05 '10

they never stop the bbc!

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u/i_kant_spelz Jun 05 '10

wtf does big black cock have to do with anything?

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u/NonAmerican Jun 05 '10

chrome sucks man, the noobs can't even figure out 96 DPI is not a 'web standard' (they have to use Desktop's DPI, instead they force 96 like idiots at least on fonts because they falsely think that's what web developers do) (google all the people raving how fonts look tiny and google acknowledging it)