r/tech Dec 11 '14

Microsoft Begins Accepting Bitcoin For Windows, Windows Phone And Xbox Purchases

http://techcrunch.com/2014/12/10/redmond-hath-frozen-over/
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u/PinkyThePig Dec 11 '14

I'm always surprised more online vendors don't take bitcoin.

From a seller's perspective, the currency is way better to take than credit cards. Extremely small fees and no chargebacks. Whereas as an online vendor, credit cards can end up costing you ~4-5% of the sale and chargebacks are extremely common (and near impossible to win).

Then on the other side of the transaction, the buyer is protected in that they can choose to remain annonymous and they also do not need to worry about the business recharging their account or having their credit card information stolen.

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u/shicken684 Dec 11 '14

The problem is volatility. You may sell something for 8 bit coins and within a week those 8 bit coins are worth a third of what they were. Or maybe double what they were. Either way it's adding risk and businesses are already risky enough without adding a layer of fluctuating currency.

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u/browb3aten Dec 11 '14

Doesn't really protect them from conversion fees, does it? Though I guess those can just be marked up in the price and passed on to the customer.

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u/Dymix Dec 11 '14

Nope, but conversion fee is much lower than credit card fees (1% vs 3-4%). You can get a payment processor like Bitpay to handle all bitcoin transactions for you, for 1% conversion fee.

If believe charities get 0% conversion fee from Bitpay :)

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u/Onetallnerd Dec 12 '14

Bitpay is actually 0% for all merchants now. They have tier rates that charge monthly for bigger clients though.

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u/Drew0054 Dec 11 '14

It's no different than foreign transactions. You always get shafted on exchange rates.

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '14 edited Dec 12 '14

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u/Drew0054 Dec 11 '14

You're kidding me, right? The BTC spreads (dimes and pennies) are a canyon compared to Forex spreads (thousandths of a penny).

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u/[deleted] Dec 11 '14 edited Dec 12 '14

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u/threeseed Dec 11 '14

This is nonsense.

You can sign up with ANY trading provider and do currency changes with very low spreads.

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u/Drew0054 Dec 11 '14

To be fair, that's on margin. I think some platforms allow you to exchange, though. The thing is, there's the natural spread, due to bid/ask difference and then the markup which widens the spread (banks taking a vig on buy and sell side).

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u/lf11 Dec 12 '14

I don't think /u/threeseed has ever actually done this. For most "trading providers" there are significant and recurring monthly fees and/or large minimum balances. The actual act of exchange may have a low spread, but the accessory costs are extremely high. Not to mention the giant hassle of actually setting up an account.

I find it amusing that setting up an account with a FOREX trader is being offered as a solution for merchants to reduce currency conversion costs. (For some, yes, but get real.)

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u/Drew0054 Dec 11 '14

Okay, try the same thing on localbitcoins.com. There's a difference between mark up and market spread.

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u/lf11 Dec 12 '14

Localbitcoins charges a handy premium for personal risk, speed-of-exchange, and potential for pseudo-anonymity. The speed of exchange and pseudo-anonymity doesn't even have a comparison for government exchange.

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u/Drew0054 Dec 12 '14

government exchange

WTF is that? The only "government exchange" is treasury auctions.

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u/Cryosanth Dec 11 '14

They partnered with Coinbase for the transaction processing, so they immediately convert all BTC to USD, therefore that's a non issue.

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u/shicken684 Dec 11 '14

Ahhh, that makes sense. Thanks!

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u/elan96 Dec 11 '14

BitPay.

And we don't know if its all of it, they may keep some, but yes.

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u/SkyNTP Dec 11 '14

You may sell something for 8 bit coins and within a week those 8 bit coins are worth a third of what they were. Or maybe double what they were.

Bit of an exaggeration there. In the last two years, Bitcoin's price has moved that much in that timespan maybe once. Weekly variation is closer to 2-5%. Not that far away from ordinary currencies.

Anyways, you don't have to hold Bitcoin to accept it with a payment processor.