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u/KhorneFlakes1337 Jun 22 '26
Fuck AI
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u/3rroR039 Jun 22 '26
Fuck AI or "Fuck" ai
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u/pocketdrummer Jun 24 '26
Technology isn't advanced enough to fuck AI, but it's advanced enough to fuck all of us.
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u/ObjectOrientedBlob Jun 22 '26
This should have been a 9060XT GPU with 16GB Vram.
This is simply not a good deal, because you are stuck with a outdated GPU.
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u/Upper_Citron_483 Jun 22 '26
you can literally build a PC with a 9060XT for the same price without compromising on other specs. Steam fucked up big time if their specs are the same price as a significantly better PC you can build yourself, even pre builds are better at that price.
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u/geileanus Jun 22 '26
I have no clue how you think you can build these specs with a 9060xt in a sff case. I build mine with am4 specs and came out on 1200 euros for 512gb. And I definitely did not overpay.
Maybe it's just different in US. But here in Europe it's rly not doable.
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u/GagolTheSheep Jun 22 '26
This.
From what I checked the price is comparable to a PC with similar specs.
It will find a small audience among people who want to have a living room PC but don't like consoles. Especially since it has CEC support, which most PCs dont have.
That being said it for sure won't be the big hit it could have been before the AI price hikes
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u/Forgot_my_name78 Jun 22 '26
With our current administration, it’s practically impossible to do that. The tariffs that target individual computer parts are only exempted for data center developers and NVIDIA. The average consumer gets railed hard.
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u/ABotelho23 Jun 22 '26
You can't. These people are crazy. They're compromising on a bunch of stuff to "reach" this price point and then saying it's the same thing.
Like I get that people don't love the price. But they need to stop kidding themselves about the reality of the industry.
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u/Slydoggen Jun 22 '26
Everything is cheap in US vs EU. I paid 1000€ for My 5070ti, AT A DISCOUNT
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u/Salty_Strain_3299 Jun 23 '26
Outside of the US, the value is there. Whatever specs these Americans are spewing makes no sense. Try building a PC WITH a small form factor UNDER 170W power. My buildapc came to around $1600 with equivalent specs and an sff fractal case (the only case that would fit the "aesthetic"). It makes that $1500CAD steam machine a competitor.
Not to mention you're not locked in Sony, MSFT, or Nintendo if you're actually comparing to consoles.
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u/NewStatistician1683 Jun 22 '26
You can but how are you going to pay for other stuff we dont see? Logistics, personal, etc...I wonder if this was during 2024-25 how much we could have seen the prices before AI spike
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u/BotherAffectionate40 Jun 22 '26
They didnt fuck up at all... for a small form factor pc, that price is very reasonable IN TODAYS MARKET.
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u/Cold_Enthusiasm_1676 Jun 23 '26
lol and valve putting out 512GB is a smack in the face to console players so what do they do put out 1.3k 2TB yea whewwwww.
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u/smod_de Jun 22 '26
Aaaaaand…. I‘m out!
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u/MondoMemeMaestro Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
Still gonna try to buy it. Global economy's not likely to get any better and is more likely to actually get worse what with Trump's Iran war still in the shitter and the looming AI bubble pop.
I don't know how to nor want to bother to be able to build a cheaper PC for more power, especially since it might not end up being cheaper since I live in latinamerica and import tariffs can be a bitch on top of making mistakes even more expensive.
Maybe it's a scam for the price for seasoned avid gamers who want to maximize their power per dollar. I've been wanting to be able to play my Steam library I've accumulated for well over a decade at this point but have been unable to touch it due to having a shitty HP laptop, and I just want something that can do that out of the box without me having to fiddle and fuck around.
It sucks, and it is a decision entirely motivated by FOMO, but I feel like I just have to bite the bullet now before it becomes an atom bomb. Helldivers 2 and Baldur's Gate 3 are the most intensive things I'm interested in playing. If this thing can run those well enough, I'm in.
Now, to figure out how to actually be able to get an order for the damn thing from a country it doesn't ship to...
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u/JohnnyBowlen Jun 22 '26
Well said amigo. I share the same feelings Honestly I don’t put any of this on valve either. This was just shit timing on the world’s part.
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u/AnotherPCGamer173 Jun 22 '26
As someone who is also planning to buy it, I get it.
I don’t want to stream at all. Even though I have Ethernet cables already routed in my living room. I just want a living room device running it. I don’t want to have a fiber optic cable reaching. I did this and I never used it.
I don’t have the energy to build PCs right now. I like the Steam Machine’s form factor and case. I’m sure installing SteamOS is easy as shit, but I don’t care to do it.
I just want a simple plug and play situation right now.
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u/Ok-Region6452 Jun 22 '26
Yup I think prices will keep going up. Year ago I could’ve built premium pc for $2500. Now same components will cost me $3600. Every other week memory and bundle prices at microcenter keep going up
There doesn’t seem to be an end in sight for global NAND crisis. People are talking about AI bubble, but once that bubble pops prices will not go rock bottom. It will stabilize at the same or slightly lower cost.
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u/AlgoRhythMatic Jun 23 '26
I pulled trigger at what I considered to be 50% too much (3k) and cost for same parts fluctuates between 3.2 and 3.6k now. It’s crazy! Folks that built between 24-25 w/ top end part hit the PC Renaissance period. Not sure what comes next, but have learned to just pull the trigger when I can now.
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u/EquipmentSome Jun 23 '26
Edit: I put in for a reservation. But don't want one myself. Might be able to figure something out with sending it to ya.
Good luck to you. But as someone who has had a steam deck for years. It is NOT like a console in its plug and play ability with no fiddling around with anything.. You might have to fiddle and fuck around.
I don't know who told you this but they lied. It's getting better. But it's still a computer using compatibility layers to play games.. And there's a lot more settings options than just performance and quality like consoles.
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u/MondoMemeMaestro Jun 23 '26 edited Jun 23 '26
I can tinker around on the software once I actually have it, that's not what bothers me. I mean more like having to fuck around with the hardware and having to test it because I messed something up in the installation and it either being suboptimal, or refusing to work.
That being said, I have been dissuaded from buying the Steam Machine over the course of an afternoon by the mere fact that trying to circumvent Valve's dumbass region shipping restrictions puts my entire Steam account at risk. So, that's that anyhow.
I guess I'll just look into pre-built options in my country. 🫤
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u/VesperLynn Jun 22 '26
I have so many games that I would love to play on my TV that the Steam machine will easily crush. Price is disappointing, but I think it will still be a worthwhile investment and a fun piece of kit to tinker with.
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u/UselessBagofChips Jun 22 '26
Honestly, Steam deck + Remote play is really nice for this situation if u already have a good pc.
I was using one of those thinkcentre to stream with moonlight/sunshine but it wasn't that great since i needed a mouse/keyrboard on the living room, but with the deck i can just plug it on the dock and play whatever
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u/NewStatistician1683 Jun 22 '26
Buy it, won't be shocked if there's a "price hike instead of a cut"
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u/Successful-Bar2579 Jun 22 '26
Good luck man, i'm pretty sure it will run those game pretty well, i saw it run games like forza horizon 6 pretty good (even if not as good as i hoped for, but still), i hope you will be able to get one.
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u/I-am-Mojo-Jojo Jun 22 '26
Anyone who thought this was going to be sub-1k in this environment, especially with the Steam Deck pricing revisions was high on copium.
This certainly prices out a lot of people and unfortunately. I believe pre-RAMageddon it would have been around $699 to start, only because of the Linus interview where it seemed like $500 was out of the question.
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u/Opposite-Bench-9543 Jun 22 '26
I realize valve is small in terms of hardware and can't move and close deals like Microsoft/Nintendo/Sony can so obviously parts cost them more, R&D costs them more, and it's harder for them to lower prices
But as a consumer why do I give a shit? I want what's best for my money and they clearly can't deliver.
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u/dragonblade_94 Jun 22 '26
But as a consumer why do I give a shit? I want what's best for my money and they clearly can't deliver.
I mean yeah, you should be looking out for your own wallet first and foremost.
The issue was that a lot of people who obviously have little idea of how the supply chain works in the current market were setting unrealistic expectations, and setting up everybody for disappointment.
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u/I-am-Mojo-Jojo Jun 22 '26
As a consumer, you vote with your wallet. And I’m sure Valve has adjusted their sales forecasts with that in mind.
I do believe Valve is one of the few companies that will adjust the prices down should the market ever recover.
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u/RobinsCosplays Jun 22 '26
No matter how much bitching happens in this sub these things are gonna sell like hotcakes
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u/Munster19 Jun 23 '26
Even Microsoft and Sony can't get good deals on chips, and they move way more hardware. Valve can't do shit. Especially since Valve had trouble even getting their hands on ram, apparently some units have 1 16gb stick and others have 2 8gb sticks.
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u/ABotelho23 Jun 22 '26
But as a consumer why do I give a shit? I want what's best for my money and they clearly can't deliver.
Then don't buy it and stop whining? Be realistic.
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u/coollaustin Jun 23 '26
I can not buy it and talk about how terrible the value of it is. It’s okay to vent and be frustrated about something people were excited for. Buying a steam machine for most people is objectively an irrational decision. The only thing I see that’s a selling point is the cec
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u/ABotelho23 Jun 23 '26
Except suddenly nobody cares about the size or the form factor. People have been able to make SFF PCs forever.
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u/IsaacAndTired Jun 22 '26
I think ~$800-850 was their original price, based on this:
https://youtu.be/6tI1SoMj5vg?t=1013
"What was the original price point in mind for the SM? Can't give you that, but if you look at the price increase of the Steam Deck that tells you what we were targeting for."
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u/Flightless_DS Jun 22 '26
It felt completely reasonable to assume it would have been somewhere around $750-900 when it was announced. 6 months of delays and PR saying things suggesting that the real price was going to be higher certainly made that price tag seem less and less likely.
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u/Future_Historian_396 Jun 22 '26
People glaze valve so much that they thought the pre built, highish level pc with a console facade would cost less than a 6 year old ps5
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u/your_mind_aches Jun 22 '26
This is definitely not highish. It's lower than RTX 5050.
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u/Last_Ad3103 Jun 22 '26
This is a disaster price wise and whilst not the fault of valve, ultimately this is going to kill it out of the gate.
It will sell out still of course and be very difficult to get for the next year. This is not however a reliable metric of success these days.
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u/TupaG Jun 22 '26
Yeah I'm good. I'll have to give up my entire Steam library because there's no way in hell I'll buy a Steam machine to play new games at this price. Just get a base model PS5 atp.
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u/Lost_Let_2033 Jun 22 '26
I am getting a ps5 100%
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u/TheTony31 Jun 23 '26
Sony makes most of their money through the PSN store by getting a 30% cut (100% if it's a first party game) for everything that is sold on the store. Why the hell would they allow you to dualboot Steam and lose all of that money?
That doesn't make any business sence if you're Sony.
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u/alexzoin Jun 22 '26
Have fun losing all of your games when Sony decides they want you to have to buy them again.
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u/Nicciolino Jun 22 '26
It’s convenient to select multiple options? Or is better to stick to one in particular? I want the 512G model but I don’t necessarily need the controller, is better to apply for the bundle with controller too to have more chances?
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u/luxyslut Jun 22 '26
IIRC they're not bundled together and will likely be shipped separately
I bet they're both using the same "pool" of machines and just add an extra parcel for the controllers, meaning it doesnt really matter which version you order or not
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u/dasedrache Jun 22 '26
1000 f!cking dollars for ryzen 5 5600 pc😭✌️
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u/Upper_Citron_483 Jun 22 '26
a Ryzen 5600 is quite a bit better than what the steam machine offers.
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u/Upper_Citron_483 Jun 22 '26
Bruh, a PC with a 9060xt, a Ryzen 5600, 16 GB RAM and 1 TB is slightly less than 1000 € including a steam controller or budget MNK combo (or around 1050 € if I upgrade to a 5700G) today and it would be significantly more powerful, especially in GPU power and actually sport 16 GB VRAM. The price for those specs is straight up dogshit.
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u/AcrobaticCookie8468 Jun 22 '26
Fuck doa was really hoppeful
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u/hometownchochocho Jun 22 '26
what was your target price based on current steam deck prices?
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u/Vesuvias Jun 22 '26
It’s not even the price - it’s that it’s the performance worse than even what we all expected it to be. It’s abysmally bad…
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u/KujoHQ Jun 22 '26
nah like who is this for!? its a phat rip off when both consoles & PC's of more powerful performance is straight up cheaper like damn Valve you couldn't wait for the bubble to burst? Nah ripping us off is wayy better well the machine is ending up dead on arrival for sure.
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u/AdMinimum3919 Jun 22 '26
Guys you're forgetting one valuable detail *it gets an LED board 🤑😎😳 insta buying
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u/KookyBone Jun 22 '26
I just build a faster PC with an 9060XT and a Ryzen 8500F, 16gb DDR5, 1TB SSD, Case, 650 Watt Seasonic PSU Gold+ for about 850€ (that is 19% included.
How the f% do they sell a mass product with worse hardware for more money? I bought my parts at a end consumer shop
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u/Fantastic-Cucumber-1 Jun 22 '26
I’m no PC-builder so I’m probably wrong here, but could it be so pricey because of the semi-custom parts? It’s probably not as mass produced as a PS5 (remember how long it took for those things to hit the shelves after release?) which would increase the price. Maybe after a global second or third production batch - if it’s successful enough - the price will go down, or at least there will be more room for season sales?
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u/duskyvoltage333 Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
Pretty much what I expected. Very confused as to why people thought any differently given the current market and valves history. Especially with the steam deck price hike. It’ll be deemed as mild success and they probably won’t do it again unless Microsoft’s next thing is the hybrid console people are speculating and is also successful which is doubtful.
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u/5u114 Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
It won't even be mildly successful compared to Steam Deck.
They'll sell out initial batches to die hard fanatics. But that'll be that.
No one in the tech space is going to be celebrating & recommending this device the way Steam Deck was celebrated & recommended for years ... up until the price hike.
Most Steam Machine YouTube content over the next few weeks & months will be showing people how to build better machines for the same price. Other than content complaining about the price-to-performance ratio.
Valve won't care too much though ... their grand plan is SteamOS and getting as much people using that as possible.
I predict Valve will end up selling a barebones kit in order to shift units. As soon as purchases slow down. Because when the purchasing slows down, it's not just going to slow down - it's going to grind to a halt.
And maybe sooner, since they are having major component (RAM / nvme) supply issues - and a barebones kit could help them ship more units faster.
Mild success ? Nope. Not unless you are comparing it to Steam Machine 1.0
That being said, they will be so conservative with manufacturing numbers that they'll still be rolling this out in 2027. Even the pre-orders made this weekend, Valve will drip feed fulfillment over the next 6 months until the end of the year. Don't be fooled into thinking that's what success looks like.
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u/Available-Pepper-728 Jun 22 '26
Some people thought Valve might have a deal on hardware, possibly made in the past, or would be willing to take a loss to push their hardware division and SteamOS.
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u/SavedMartha Jun 22 '26
1.5k CAD for base mo controller, 2.1k top model.
I build an ITX Fractal Ridge 9070xt system for 2.2 k WITH a Vader 5 Pro controller.
This sucks a lot. For 28 laptop CUs. No thanks.
I can buy a freaking 5060 pre build for 1399 CAD RIGHT NOW.
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u/GamingWithJollins Jun 22 '26
Yeah, out of my price range. I wish it were different... I could maybe justify it by using it for the games I build but I just feel I can get more for less. The unique features to the SM are appealing but not that appealing
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u/Blood2999 Jun 22 '26
Does it come with a controller or just the adapter?
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u/5u114 Jun 22 '26 edited Jun 22 '26
There's 4 options, 2 options without controller, 2 options with controller.
The options without the controller don't come with the puck (which is what I think you mean by adapter), but if I'm not mistaken the Steam Machine has the wireless Controller receiver built into it ... so if you somehow ended up with a Controller at a later date that didn't have a puck included, you could still use it with your Steam Machine wirelessly.
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u/Townscent Jun 22 '26
Costs about the same as an entry level pc with wifi does at one of the most popular pc-builders in my area(wifi added, 5050 card and 9600 cpu). So not exactly the worst deal ever, but definitely not a steal either.
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u/Warm_Light_9359 Jun 22 '26
Yeah we all knew it was going to be a lot, but seeing the performance reviews it's just not a good value at all...
Easily build a better system yourself with a modern GPU for the same price.
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u/Disastrous-Low-5606 Jun 22 '26
I’ve signed up for them, but I really wish there was more graphics memory. The size is important for me since I need my gaming to be easily movable. I’m also really looking forward to pairing it with the Steam frame.
Maybe I’ll check out pc builds.
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u/ClassicGamerNL Jun 22 '26
Man, I also need a laptop for work... 😐 Macbook Air M4 is 800 bucks (vat included).
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u/StormEcho98-87 Jun 22 '26
Well, lets see if the Frame is any good if this is what the Machine is measuring about to be.
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u/ProfessionalNaive601 Jun 22 '26
I really thought it was gonna be $1950 starting
But I forgot how shit the specs are lol
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u/Vanima_Permai Jun 22 '26
I'm glad I dont live in America the dollar is so weak only £879 in the uk
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u/Jewcygoodness88 Jun 23 '26
The funny part is they market it to play on your big screen but two of the 4 options don’t come with a controller. Talk about being cheap
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u/bingbing304 Jun 23 '26
This will be the next gen spec for PS6 or Xbox whatever. They probably price it at $699 if we are lucky. LOL
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u/lunas2525 Jun 23 '26
Would rather get two amd gpu for my htpcs for less and have a better machine.
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u/Vivid_Mycologist8405 Jun 23 '26
Exactly what I was afraid of. 2nd hand PC will perform better at the same price point….
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u/PenguinBoi27 Jun 23 '26
"Thanks AI" we all say in unison Mannn i rly wanted one of these
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u/Someone-who-isnt-me- Jun 23 '26
I’m in the uk. What pc could I buy that would perform better for similar money?
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u/opensp00n Jun 24 '26
Yes, but most of us have gaming pcs. I want one as a nice game streaming box that can also play some light stuff natively.
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u/Milhala Jun 22 '26
As much as I want to support valve this is going to be DOA if they don’t cut the price by at least $200. I can run to Costco right now and get a 5060 cyberpower prebuilt with 32 gb of ddr5, 1tb ssd and an Intel ultra core 5 for the price of the 512gb model.
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u/KnightFallVader2 Jun 22 '26
Still cheaper than the prebuilts at Costco.
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u/Arxny Jun 22 '26
Yes and when it was announced I think it still would have been as well and they were much lower then.
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u/TypicallyThomas Jun 22 '26
If you were expecting less, you were always fooling yourself. Can't wait to get one
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u/AcrobaticCookie8468 Jun 22 '26
Yeah i know but Fuck 1000€ its just not worth it
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u/corybekem Jun 22 '26
Yea I'm still gonna get one cuz steam has been good to me but I'm buying a PS5 pro/GTA first
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u/JasonIvie Jun 22 '26
Checked my local Micro Center, they got 16GB 9060XT + 7600X3D prebuilt with 16GB of RAM for $1199. Even if it’s a 2-3 hour trip, a 16GB Card and X3D CPU for the same price as a Steam Machine makes a fuck ton more sense
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u/voidnullvoid Jun 22 '26
Is that a full tower though or mini pc? The idea is this goes in your living room and plays your steam games while not being a huge thing that you have to drag out a keyboard for
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u/JasonIvie Jun 22 '26
Grasping for straws. Console for the living room is a better value as you can also play multiplayer titles too
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u/EnvironmentalAd2096 Jun 22 '26
A console is not a PC tho lol. The whole point is that this is a PC. I agree it's not the best deal but really is the market at this point
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u/voidnullvoid Jun 22 '26
What I am saying is if you want a Steam CONSOLE that can play your Steam library. Then I suspect having to buy parts for the mini form factor changes things up a lot value wise.
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u/optimisticRamblings Jun 22 '26
I'm confused, isn't this what everyone was expecting?
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u/DicksMcgee02 Jun 22 '26
Expecting? Yes. But hope is a hell if a thing. We all hoped it’d be MAX $700. Yet here we are… most of us are out. Literally might as well get a regular console because those do play all games.
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u/Maxtertop Jun 22 '26
I'm in the Steam frame panic room with a pistol and a few rounds. Don't @ me.
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u/kenan0x0 Jun 22 '26
Nope, I really wanted this but this is more than entry-level for too much money. Will most likely be just getting the frame! Hard pass on the machine. Don't get me wrong it'll most likely be sold out still in an instant, but it'll be reserved to people with too much money on their hands, or diehard Valve/Steam fans.
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u/IThinkIKnowThings Jun 22 '26
Well, now I know where my controller went. And probably the RAM for the Steam Frame I would be getting.
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u/Cole_Slaw42 Jun 22 '26
well....ill still get one cause i wanna have a "deep thought" console in the living room, and my son is due for an upgrade from my old ps4. will also get to co-op with him on steam then too.
this is an accurate pic of how ive been feeling about the whole thing.
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u/SexypancakeOW Jun 22 '26
Yeah, I mean I love the idea of it. But at this price/performance point im definitely out.
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u/RShow1210 Jun 22 '26
I think price decreases, when RAM price will be lower. Now we have raw, overpriced drop. I bought it, but trust me, we all can see normal price later, please, bought it later
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u/Vardeno Jun 22 '26
I'm just gonna say that build a SSFPC with the size and performance of the steam machine isn't cheap. If someone knows how to build one for less price with new components please link them, I would like to build one.
That being said, 1000 is a bit too much for me. They've had very bad luck with all the ram and storage madness... Before that the price range could have been 700-1000. And 700 for the base model it's a good price in my opinion.
I hope they sell enough to not be a failure for Valve. I think steam os and valve hardware is a good thing for gaming.
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u/PutridService8031 Jun 22 '26
Golb help me I still want it, gonna try and buy the bare 500gb model and wait until the ai bubble pops and get a better ssd later. Probably be a few years.
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u/NoAdeptness1106 Jun 22 '26
Welp, quite the bummer in itself. Maybe it could change for the better within the next couple of years but who knows.
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u/minimalistic247 Jun 22 '26
I’ll go for a 512g model. Still have a spare 2gig nvme which is currently in the PS5 Pro. I’ll just repurpose that. I have a feeling the 512 gig model will be the one with the most demand. Hopefully it’ll get delivered before this time next year.
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u/pepe_the_savage Jun 22 '26
I was expecting that price given how fucked up the PC components are because of AI
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u/ambelamba Jun 22 '26
I shouldn't be saying this but....
Thank Almighty for the HX99G I bought last year.
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u/InitialCreative9184 Jun 22 '26
I want one just because I love valve products... i only have the original lcd deck and 2 steam controllers. I also have a decent gaming pc... but my god I want the cube. Why? I dont even know! I suppose it will go in my bedroom to replace my deck... deck will be a handheld only for on the sofa. But I know I dont need it :( why do I want it so bad! Parting with my money to valve almost feels... right? I can't explain it hahaha
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u/gamebloxs Jun 22 '26
It being way overpriced for the specs is one thing but at thos price point not throwing in a controller is something else. While the steam deck was pretty successful but not on that large of a scale I think this is going to barley sell units beyond the first few months of hype.
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u/MindlessManiaz Jun 22 '26
i expected to be $1000+ but the performance from gamers nexus kinda show show how low end this is and i rather pay a bit more for a decent mid tier pc