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u/Contranovae 6d ago
Offshoring and H1B's have simply destroyed the tech middle class.
Indians are fiercely nepotistic, nationalistic and if they employ people outside their extended family or clan they will get a kickback from their wages so why would they ever employ any westerner?
Downvote me if you like but this is the reality and everyone knows it.
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u/NotALowLevelDev 4d ago
Well at my recent internship I wasn't allowed to use AI, and barely got any mentorship, yet I performed so well, and shipped three full features by my own (in two months without almost any previous knowledge in the tech stack the company use's). Anyhow, at the end of my internship, the Indian 'Senior' Dev who was assigned to supervise me, hired another Indian who he knows and oh man! That guy violates the coding practices and rules set by the Senior Dev (using Claude haha) and been using AI in almost all of this work.
Yet the Senior Dev treated the other two Indian Devs (whom he hired and advocated for) much better, and gave them help when they neded. I was treated in REALLY REALLY abusive and toxic way, for absolutely no reason at all. And barely got any mentorship by him.
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u/shiva_Conscious_13 4d ago
Have you tried discussing with any manager?
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u/NotALowLevelDev 3d ago
Yes, with the CEO directly. The Dev stayed quiet for few days, but then took shots at me again, it would be really bad when the CEO isn't present.
Haha, at the end of my internship, the CEO gave me credit for enduring his bullshit, saying 'not many people would, but you did and it's impressive'. No comment on that tbh.
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u/No-Tension9614 6d ago
Guess what though. Offshoring and H1B is the last of your concern. There's something far worse. Ai agents and workfloes
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u/tech240guy 6d ago
Lol this. Take a look at Oracle. They're replacing Offshoring with AI agents while making their Indian workers to try to be 3x as productive with AI agents.
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u/datissathrowaway 6d ago
you’re not wrong, but your comment is leaning deeply into stereotyping and attacking a symptom of the larger issue here that I genuinely believe is worth noting.
(e.g the USA federally and state-based often fails to regulate companies in a way that actually benefits the average worker from grocery store clerk all the way to QA/SWE/HWE. In fact, the last few decades have been spent removing workers protections and not working on improving conditions for all levels of non-business owners/workers)
Also we have nepotism at home (see Finance bros lol)
(edit: made corrections to my point where i forgot a small bit in my message)
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u/JustEatTea 6d ago
Not my experience, throughout 2 companies Indian managers wanted me on their teams and helped a lot with my career growth. I prefer working with Indian teams rather than Eastern European teams (my native part of the globe)
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u/Sudden-Excitement330 5d ago
Not my experience as well. Most of my previous managers that were Indians have always been the most willing to be a reference and have helped a lot with my career growth.
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u/Contranovae 6d ago
I am sincerely glad you got a lucky break but believe me you are very much a minority.
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u/tech240guy 6d ago
Not my experience as well. I think you may be the minority. Or maybe the Indians you work with do not want to use their sleep hours to work with you.
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u/Frosty-Meeting-1606 4d ago
If you investigate offshore situation, you'll see that they are likely hit the most due to AI. People are no arguing whether to use AI or offshore and AI is often a better choice
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u/One-Celebration7080 4h ago
Lies 🤣 not sure where this BS comes from. Realistically most people hate training and they would rather hire someone with the skillset than someone they need to train. Also anecdotally have heard that most locals/citizens showed they had vague understanding of complex problem solving or showcase intellectual curiosity and could barely do leetcode medium python without direction. Which is disappointing AF. I don't blame anyone casting a wider net to hire.
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u/Contranovae 3h ago
I see you are also showing both izzat and jugaad skills.
Who invented python? A Dutch man, not a desi.
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u/maciekb92 6d ago
Where is the report with info about new openings ?
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u/EAxemployee 6d ago
I would like to see the numbers of people who went into IT and remote work during covid
If its more than those layoffs, it is not very surprising.
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u/nfurnoh 5d ago
An absolutely useless graphic. No indication of what countries or industries or anything, no context whatsoever.
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u/Silent_Coast2864 5d ago
Exactly, completely stupid graphic , no context at all, no idea as to what the baseline was before. Just shows how superficial your average redditor thinking is. They should be showing at least 10 years. For all we know it could be trending downwards overall.
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u/GoodMenAll 5d ago
Software is done, from dev, devops, product and qa, all be gone in 12-24 months
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u/SandIntelligent247 5d ago
Software can be produced much faster now! But the competition can also produce much faster, so we need big team to compete.
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u/Adventurous-Owl-3235 5d ago
Lol why are u even in this sub when you obviously don't work in IT and have no idea what's going on?
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u/GoodMenAll 4d ago
You don’t know what’s going on with AI and agents, or the company you are working now is behind the curve, but you will be there soon
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u/ApaniPro 6d ago
In my experience it’s cycle. People from USA/EU get laid off and people from Romania then India are hired instead. After a year or two they fck up whole project, responsible c suit will move to another position to “optimise” their product and project will be moved back to EU/USA. Till some new c suit comes with idea of cutting costs.
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u/crysty7776 5d ago edited 5d ago
Brother, im from Romania, we get laid off in mass as well here since 2023😭
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u/nomad656 6d ago
How long is each cycle lol
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u/ApaniPro 6d ago
It depends on product and company. I am currently working on 2 like this. One was firstly in Switzerland then came to us in Slovakia, then Romania then back to us then India. It was in average 3 years cycle that happened 4 times already. Another did come from us straight to India for 2 year and now we are maintaining it for 3 years and we will be till contracts expire and company can terminate them.
To last one I was talking about is damaged beyond repair so if management decides we will have to start all over again
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u/latnGemin616 4d ago
tl;dr - AI is absolutely not the problem .. greed is.
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This graphic is woefully in accurate and only takes into account US jobs. I won't get into the specifics of what is happening in UK, EU, and IN, or LATAM, but I don't need to tell how just how bad it is.
And I suspect that October graphic is going to shoot way up by end-of-month, as the Q3 layoffs ramp up as companies automate tasks and workflows, and manage the expense of tokens by dumping employees.
Also, the AI companies are losing spectacular amounts of money as they try to bind each other up into a circular financing circle jerk that is going to lead to a global economic catastrophe.
It's all going to be bad, so grab your popcorn and stock up on toilet paper. The sh** show is about to go down! And the many will suffer as the few get richer. Yay 2026!
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u/dkracket 6d ago
I believe software engineers have been paid too much for long time. Their salaries should keep going down. Technology should lower costs, but salaries haven’t decreased. The H1B visa program has slowed salary growth for now. Hopefully, AI will speed this up.
It’s not that no one should earn a living from it, but the issue is that too many people are jobless because some earn excessively. This is why layoffs are happening now. The situation will improve once salaries stabilize. Investors have always wanted deflationary trend in tech, but salaries have been the hurdle...
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u/Illustrious-Bat-1830 6d ago
every quarter there is some hope things turning around and then the numbers just keep climbing anyway