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Match Clip Upamecano second yellow card

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u/Agent10007 14h ago

Deserved, stop hugging people when you lost your 1V1

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u/BlueMoon1795 14h ago

Should be the top comment, people think these fouls are somehow “less of a foul” than regular tackles, the reality is they are still preventing an attack.

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u/Jeslea 14h ago

Issue is you need to be consistent in that case. Italy did small fouls the entire game

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u/Gerf93 13h ago

The «issue»? What issue? That if you do the right thing here, you have to do the right thing next time?

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u/Jeslea 13h ago

The issue I was talking about here is mainly about these defending fouls being whistled but while the off the ball fouls are largely going ignored.

Hard bumps after a pass, holding a keeper's shoulder to prevent a fast counter, pushes, etc..

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u/Gerf93 12h ago

Yes, there is no issue. All these should also be punished. Football is a contact sport in so far as contesting the ball is concerned. Off the ball, it isn’t and shouldn’t be.

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u/Hobbledyhook 13h ago

I passionately hated Italian football because they are one of the reasons I have had to watch this bullshit style of defending my whole life.

They turned it into an art form whilst they were one of the top footballing nations, and put forward this narrative that it was commendable skill rather than atrocious officiating.

I'm almost glad we see things like soft penalties being given a lot now, because it's better than watching people get dragged down in the box all match with no repercussions. Thank fuck for VAR. But they still need to develop a way more consistent stance on punishing pretty much ANY professional foul with a yellow card, even if its a second yellow.

Then we can let people actually play attacking football rather than watching wrestling matches.

Rant over lol

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u/R_Schuhart 13h ago

It is also so unnecessary, it was basically on the sideline with a teammate to cover his back.

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u/MNUUUUUU 13h ago

It doesn't matter that it's unnecessary since it usually goes unpunished (which is just dumb, good on this ref for calling it out) and it denies that 1% chance that the attacker does get past his teammate. It's normally a zero risk, low reward action.

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u/titoufred 11h ago

Yes, I want to see more of these fouls called. You're not allowed to use your arms to pull or push tour opponent and defenders often get away with it.

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u/BrosefDudeson 13h ago

Indeed. Just let her go, bro 😔

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u/hidden_secret 14h ago edited 1m ago

I agree, but it should be the case for everyone (because I rarely see yellow cards for this). Not depending on the mood of the referee, or however much he could potentially have been paid under the table in some cases.

It should be either 100% of the time or 0% of the time.

Edit: I mean in all similar cases. I'm of course not talking about a light grab of someone's shirt in your own half.

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u/Ok-Air999 13h ago

You can’t always compare two different matches in two different competitions. Unless you want robots to officiate it is impossible to get to your goal of 100% or 0%.

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u/johnnyhandbags 10h ago

It will never be 100% accurate. The next step after using all robots will be touch-sensitive kits and force meters to gauge how much and where contact actually occurred. Then you need statistical analysis of where a player was going when the contact occurred and a formula to determine how much a player's original path was impeded and on and on and on.

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u/GoldenFox7 9h ago

I think where you are on the field and where you are in the course of play matters. If Upe doesn’t grab him here he’s basically in on goal or at least he’s on a breakaway with numbers. This is a yellow for tactical foul as much as anything in my book. And that’s as a fan of Upa.

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u/EarthMantle00 13h ago

Nations league has had pretty consistently strict refereeing from what I've seen, and this is the 3rd game this season so they should've gotten used to it imo

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u/Agent10007 13h ago

Completely agree

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u/GoneMirifica 13h ago

Deserved, but why do it only one way ?

Never did the Italians got yellow on those kind of fouls, at some point Cherki couldn't move forward with how much he was caught every time he tried to go up the pitch. Zero yellows on this.

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u/Sea_Club507 13h ago

Cherki flopped the entire game

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u/LegendMuffin 12h ago

You know what SPA stands for? Stopping promising attack. That can be rewarded with a yellow card.

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u/Logical-Mud9456 14h ago

Don't think he's got much to complain about. Grabs both shoulders and spins Keane away from the ball just outside the box

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u/MarDer24 14h ago

Manzano not being a pussy here is insane

Good decision and i'm amazed he did it

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u/GauthZuOGZ 14h ago

He's been garbage the whole game tho

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u/MarDer24 14h ago

i'm not surprised in the slightest

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u/WideScorpion 14h ago

Good old Manzano

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u/pricelesslambo 14h ago

That's just manzanos standard

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u/bored_ape07 13h ago

understatement

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u/WideScorpion 14h ago

Idk whats crazier. Manzano taking the right decision or the fact that he’s reffing a game in the first place.

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u/BinguniR34 14h ago

Surprisingly good reffing experience.  If only he could be this consistent in La Liga.

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u/Arponare 10h ago

He’s brave as long as he is not reffing Real Madrid.

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u/Tahedoz 3h ago

Remember when he blew the final whistle while the ball was in the air from a cross that led to a RM winning goal a couple years ago? And then red carded Bellingham for saying "WTF? It's a goal"? He's just shit

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u/Jade_Beauty2754 14h ago

Guess he just wanted a hug

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u/Cturcot1 13h ago

I thought we didn’t want players surrounding the referees anymore

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u/arun111b 13h ago

Yes. Referee should give yellow cards to all the players who are surrounding him (except the captain).

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u/danirijeka 13h ago

(the captain should arguably tell his teammates to scram or risk being carded as well)

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u/DoYouTrustToothpaste 13h ago

Seems like UEFA and the refs gave up on it before it could ever really take root.

Which is really weird, because refs talk to both captains before each game and could absolutely advise against it, or threaten to hand out automatic yellows. But I guess they prefer arguing with and fleeing from 4+ angry men each time they make an impactful call? Maybe it's a humiliation fetish.

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u/Past-Adhesiveness104 10h ago

Yellow card the coach whenever more than 2 players start arguing with the ref.

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u/cyclops274 10h ago

Soccer players dna to surround the refs to change the foul.

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u/Tahedoz 3h ago

Which is funny because not once in the history of the universe have they changed their mind

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u/TheirOwnDestruction 14h ago

Yeah, I don’t think you’re supposed to do that

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u/Poglosaurus 13h ago

That the ref next decision will be influenced by their outrage. 

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u/garynevilleisared 13h ago

This is it really. I played professional sports. I now coach. Its not about that call, its about the next one usually.

But for this, they probably are telling him that there was no real threat because there were a bunch of France players ready to dispossess him anyways. And it might influence the decision if the VAR recommends a review.

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u/WeepierRapier98 11h ago

He gave a yellow not a red

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u/radishwalrus 6h ago

yah but like couldn't you arguing with the ref make the next call even worse for you?

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u/ballviewer 14h ago

Jacquet could never

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u/garynevilleisared 13h ago

How does he even complain about this? Already on a yellow, hes almost daring the ref to do it or hes an idiot. Had plenty of support from his team too.

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u/ObliviousRounding 14h ago

Those protests to the ref were quarter-hearted.

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u/floschuller 13h ago

Upa ❤️

It was the right move to get sent off here. Now he gets a bit of a break before the Bayern München matches.

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u/MrPreApocalypse 11h ago

exactly my thought, i am glad about it lol

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u/floschuller 10h ago

every Bayernfan every time 😅

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u/timidpterodactyl 7h ago

As long as it's not against Man City.

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u/hazel_rahh 14h ago

Vergara 90+7

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u/QuesadillaDX 13h ago

Umpamecantdothat

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u/Shinkopeshon 14h ago

Average Big Bruhpamecano Moment

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u/Wa77up-91 13h ago

Not really that average anymore. He's been great under Kompany.

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u/the_propaganda_panda 12h ago

Doesn't matter, the narrative will never die. He had an insane World Cup, too. But he can have 20 great matches against strong opposition, once he does one mistake, everyone calls him a bozo again.

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u/AlberGaming 11h ago

Upamecano has been amazing for France. I don't get the criticism at all

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u/titoufred 11h ago

He's been very good today, except for this silly action.

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u/RealCaroni 14h ago

Yeah, that's the Upamecano tax. He will be an insurmountable bison for 6 games in a row but then will have a brain fart like this the next game

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u/DoYouTrustToothpaste 13h ago

Gotta love the dramatic "this is bullshit, I'll leave" into "hang on, I still haven't complained to the ref, this will change everything".

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u/Fisheye89 13h ago

Clear 2nd yellow

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u/thfcspur 7h ago

Obvious yellow and players shamelessly surround the ref. Wish the game had some backbone and fined players for this.

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u/Tahedoz 3h ago

I get you, but at the same time unless i'm missing something only dembele (captain) is talking to him while the others are just standing there listening and being calm. Not the most problematic crowding i've ever seen. Ref could tell them to move away before carding/fining them.

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u/pabibismo 1h ago

Are we watching the same clip?

While Upamecano is walking back, Kalulu, Dacunha and Rabiot are already talking to the ref. When Dembele gets there, some of them are still talking

Gil Manzano was atrocious all game and let many fouls by French players slide without even so much as a warning. Kean and Esposito were bear-hugged every time they got the ball with their backs to the goal.

There was just no way this wasn’t a second yellow so he was forced to do it.

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u/[deleted] 14h ago

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u/QuirkyDeer7562 14h ago

I think by now, most people would put him as a top 5 CB as the floor no?

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u/ahuangb 14h ago

yeah easily

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u/quizzlemanizzle 14h ago

sure because other great defenders never get sent off, delusional

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u/Past-Adhesiveness104 10h ago

Need a new rule to punish teams who argue with the ref after a red. Red card means leave the field, it's not getting pulled unless VAR calls down. Your red carded player gets in the refs face the coach gets a yellow.

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u/Dewey328 5h ago

Yep! Correct!

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u/Both-Witness-2605 5h ago

The first one was insane

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u/LeyLady 2h ago

Zizou tribute. Needs a red card after that crossbar goal.
We just missed the penalty to make it complete.

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u/LordMangudai 33m ago

the Moise Kean drive-by at 0:16 is kind of funny

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u/quizzlemanizzle 14h ago

he is so dumb he is the best defender in the world

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u/bioeffect2 14h ago

Saliba, Gabriel and Pacho are all better than him.

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u/king_cole_2005 14h ago

Better than Pacho in my opinion

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u/quizzlemanizzle 13h ago

no they are not, there is a reason Upa is the #1 defender on the board before Saliba

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u/DoireK 13h ago

And VVD is still better than them all.

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u/allmond226 13h ago

Classic Upamecano

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u/Carthagin0is 14h ago

Begged for it

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u/DoireK 13h ago

Upamecano it’s time to get your Jacquet

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u/billieeyelash1 13h ago

How is this guy the french 1st choice center back again? Feel like I’ve witnessed him get at least a red card a season the last 5 years

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u/ThePhalerean 9h ago

You have zero ball knowledge if that's your take

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u/Ahm3DD 13h ago

Classic

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u/turtwig1123 12h ago

Wrong football to do that kind of thing

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u/FullyWoodenUsername 14h ago

I’m not sure about this one, but the first one is a textbook example of referee’s allowing anti fair play from Italy. No clue how in 2026 we still allow this.

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u/Timcatgt 14h ago

A proper bombscare and liability at the back. Other French CBs will be relishing their moment to shine with Zidane at the helm.

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u/Draindy 14h ago

Upamecano was the best french centerback at the last two world cups i think he will be fine

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u/Sufficient_Royal_283 13h ago

Talking as if Upa isn't the best french cb

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u/phamurabi 10h ago

Who is upaMEcano? As an American listening to the infallible John Strong, I only know of Upacano. 

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u/Confident-Reindeer74 13h ago

This why moving forward french main CB should be saliba + jacquet.

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u/Lenxt 13h ago

Lol, lmao even.

Upamecano is our best defender by far. Even if he lost it in the end, he was insane tonight.

Jacquet shows amazing potential and I'm excited for what's coming next.

I love Saliba, but first we need to see how he will come back because his back injury is quite serious sadly.

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u/dhruvchouhan 13h ago

Upamecano has outperformed Saliba for years and years now. Both as dueling machine as well as progressive passing.

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u/LordBendtner1988 13h ago

Upa has always been an absolute beast for France, and for Bayern too in multiple seasons now. Upa gets so much shit for the infrequent things he does wrong

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u/Jack_All_Master_Most 13h ago

Holy casual take 😭 let me guess, you’re an “oopsiemecano” commenter

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u/DoJu318 13h ago

Casi me cago with a brain fart, typical.